Updating Atlas Wikipedia Page with A1G-any volunteers
Hey gang,
I wandered over to the Wikipedia page for Atlas...
...and believe it or not, there is not a single mention of their N Scale Rolling Stock, starting of course with A1G in the late 1960s.? (I don't have a precise date.)
I have a Wikipedia editing login that I rarely used.? I would have updated the page myself, citing the A1G site as a source... but Wikipedia does not allow you to cite yourself as a source.? (Gee, I wonder why...)
If someone would like to volunteer add a few lines about how Atlas started with A1G, moved the production to the USA and then to China, I think that would be a start.? Who knows, maybe we'll get a little more traffic out of it.
Cheers,
George
your group owner
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Re: Atlas 2287 IC 41677 vs IC 41877
Note there are two different Tampo stamps on these cars. One has "Mainline of Mid-America" all the way across under "Illinois Central". The other has "Mainline of Mid-America" crowded over on the right side under "Illinois Central".
So far, I have seen the former version only on orange cars and the latter version on brown cars. The former version definitely is 41677. The latter version, as far as I'm concerned, is definitely 41877. On one of my brown cars, the 8 is clearly printed on the flat surface instead of on the riveted seam.
Doug
In a message dated 9/11/2019 6:19:07 PM Central Standard Time, learmoia@... writes:
Has anyone found legible proof that Atlas released 41677 and 41877 in the brown color?
Or is 41877 the result of print stamp wear on 41677?
I'm looking at 5 examples.. 3 brown, 2 orange.. Both Orange cars are clearly 41677..
One Brown car.. the 6/8 was printed over a rivet line and sort of looks like an 8.. but the reverse side clearly looks like a 6.
The other 2 brown examples the numbers are too thick and close together to make out a 6 vs 8.. So it looks like an 8.. but it could be the plate wore down to make a 6 an 8
~Ian
The thread refers to items advertised 1947.
~Ian
On Sun, May 26, 2019, 22:32 NYCAP Email < tom39@...> wrote:
The photo which learmoia shows a ATLAS ho-SCALE switch not a ATLAS a1g N-SCALE switch.?
Tom
Link to a photo of an early Atlas switch.. these predate anything from snap trak line.. and Brass rail!
On Sun, May 26, 2019, 20:31 Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io <dgosha= [email protected]> wrote:
I imagine they didn't call them "Snap Switches" yet, then. Or did they even have a switch machine attached and were more like the "Custom Line"? of today?
Doug
In a message dated 5/26/2019 5:54:46 PM Central Standard Time, groups@... writes:
Gang,
As you know, I have been perusing the Model Railroader "75 Years" DVD in search of advertisements for, among other things, A1G equipment.
I've also been making my way through the MR issues chronologically.?? And I've come to the December 1947 issue, which contains what I believe to be the first advertisement of any kind from the Atlas Tool Company.?? No, it's not A1G, nor is it N Scale (what do you mean, "off topic"?).? It's an ad for "The Atlas Completely Assembled Turnout" in #4, #6, #8 (!) and WYE configurations.? All except the #8 had a list price of $2.25, the #8 was $2.50.?? Plugging that into the Inflation Calculator, I see that $2.25 is about $24.57 now.? Hmm...
Only about another 20 years or so until I get to a "real" A1G advertisement...
Cheers,
George (your list owner)
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Re: Atlas 2287 IC 41677 vs IC 41877
Hi Ian,
? ? I have both color variant of the IC box car. The Orange and brown cars both read IC 41677. The Orange cars "I" on black circle logo is split and off center towards the bottom. The brown variant of the same cars "I" is solid and is close to center. The printing of the number on the brown car is on the rivet line and not on the rivet line on the Orange car. Sure their might be other variants of this same car.
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On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:19 PM, learmoia
<learmoia@...> wrote:
Has anyone found legible proof that Atlas released 41677 and 41877 in the brown color?
?
Or is 41877 the result of print stamp wear on 41677?
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I'm looking at 5 examples.. 3 brown, 2 orange.. Both Orange cars are clearly 41677..
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One Brown car.. the 6/8 was printed over a rivet line and sort of looks like an 8.. but the reverse side clearly looks like a 6.
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The other 2 brown examples the numbers are too thick and close together to make out a 6 vs 8.. So it looks like an 8.. but it could be the plate wore down to make a 6 an 8
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~Ian
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Atlas 2287 IC 41677 vs IC 41877
Has anyone found legible proof that Atlas released 41677 and 41877 in the brown color?
Or is 41877 the result of print stamp wear on 41677?
I'm looking at 5 examples.. 3 brown, 2 orange.. Both Orange cars are clearly 41677..
One Brown car.. the 6/8 was printed over a rivet line and sort of looks like an 8.. but the reverse side clearly looks like a 6.
The other 2 brown examples the numbers are too thick and close together to make out a 6 vs 8.. So it looks like an 8.. but it could be the plate wore down to make a 6 an 8
~Ian
The thread refers to items advertised 1947.
~Ian On Sun, May 26, 2019, 22:32 NYCAP Email < tom39@...> wrote: The photo which learmoia shows a ATLAS ho-SCALE switch not a ATLAS a1g N-SCALE switch.?
Tom Link to a photo of an early Atlas switch.. these predate anything from snap trak line.. and Brass rail!
On Sun, May 26, 2019, 20:31 Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io <dgosha= [email protected]> wrote:
I imagine they didn't call them "Snap Switches" yet, then. Or did they even have a switch machine attached and were more like the "Custom Line"? of today?
Doug
In a message dated 5/26/2019 5:54:46 PM Central Standard Time, groups@... writes:
Gang,
As you know, I have been perusing the Model Railroader "75 Years" DVD in search of advertisements for, among other things, A1G equipment.
I've also been making my way through the MR issues chronologically.?? And I've come to the December 1947 issue, which contains what I believe to be the first advertisement of any kind from the Atlas Tool Company.?? No, it's not A1G, nor is it N Scale (what do you mean, "off topic"?).? It's an ad for "The Atlas Completely Assembled Turnout" in #4, #6, #8 (!) and WYE configurations.? All except the #8 had a list price of $2.25, the #8 was $2.50.?? Plugging that into the Inflation Calculator, I see that $2.25 is about $24.57 now.? Hmm...
Only about another 20 years or so until I get to a "real" A1G advertisement...
Cheers,
George (your list owner)
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Re: A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
The following link might help.
Michael
On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 05:02:50 PM PDT, dave w <groupsmaster@...> wrote:
Good Morning Gentlemen, AIUTTL... ;-0 Does the cogniscenti know of prototypes for these shorter (9' IH) height cars? Yes I know of the MP 'Express' cars, but others? The Grande certainly had none such new in steel, so a rebuild is the only likely possibility they would. A trawl of STEFC found little useful reference except an "1923 ARA cars. I think the series was 29300-29449" referring to GAA. (And with that, the posts remain 'external' and not like the model here.
A model DRGW 67598 has popped up for sale, never seen before, and yet I'm torn as it is in 1968 Aspen/Silver paint scheme, which of course would never have happened, so a repaint 'one-day' would mean just another boxcar. I think I just talked myself out of it...
thanks
davew
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Re: A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
And here's the BACHMANN car.?om
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A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
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Subject: Re: [a1g] A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
Date: July 23, 2019 at 10:59:51 AM EDT
On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:00 AM, Tom Starr < tom39@...> wrote:
?And here¡¯s BACHMANN¡¯s version.. ?? ?.
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Re: A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 01:17 PM, igoldberg1 wrote:
I found the attached picture of DRGW 67598 on the rrpicturs archive site.?
Yeah Thanks Ira, that's the REAL 67598, that is from the last (1946) series new boxcars 10'4" tall:
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40-06 |
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Riv 12 pan, 4/4 ID, 6 SSD, Duryea u.f |
The number applied to the this model is foobie, so I was asking about the 9' cars prototypes really. regards dave
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Re: A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
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Re: A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
I found the attached picture of DRGW 67598 on the rrpicturs archive site.? It is in oxide red NOT in cookie box paint scheme.? It may be possible it once was in the cookie box paint scheme.
????? Ira
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On July 20, 2019 at 8:02 PM dave w <groupsmaster@...> wrote:
Good Morning Gentlemen,
AIUTTL... ;-0
Does the cogniscenti know of prototypes for these shorter (9' IH) height cars?
Yes I know of the MP 'Express' cars, but others?
The Grande certainly had none such new in steel, so a rebuild is the only likely possibility they would. A trawl of STEFC found little useful reference except an "1923 ARA cars. I think the series was 29300-29449" referring to GAA. (And with that, the posts remain 'external' and not like the model here.
A model DRGW 67598 has popped up for sale, never seen before, and yet I'm torn as it is in 1968 Aspen/Silver paint scheme, which of course would never have happened, so a repaint 'one-day' would mean just another boxcar. I think I just talked myself out of it...
thanks
davew
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A1G 2380 Series: Box Cars, Steel, 40 Foot, Single Door, 9 Foot Height
Good Morning Gentlemen, AIUTTL... ;-0 Does the cogniscenti know of prototypes for these shorter (9' IH) height cars? Yes I know of the MP 'Express' cars, but others? The Grande certainly had none such new in steel, so a rebuild is the only likely possibility they would. A trawl of STEFC found little useful reference except an "1923 ARA cars. I think the series was 29300-29449" referring to GAA. (And with that, the posts remain 'external' and not like the model here.
A model DRGW 67598 has popped up for sale, never seen before, and yet I'm torn as it is in 1968 Aspen/Silver paint scheme, which of course would never have happened, so a repaint 'one-day' would mean just another boxcar. I think I just talked myself out of it...
thanks
davew
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Life After A1G: Roco and Walthers 40 Foot Double Door Boxcars
Gang,
Following the end of the A1G period, the Roco tooling for the A1G 40 Foot Double Door Boxcars was reused twice.?? I have added tables to the A1G 2280 page to document this.? I have a number of these cars in the accumulation and hope to add some photos of these cars "soon."
First, Roco reissued the car under its own brand.? The roadnames are at least Wabash, New Haven, Great Northern, MKT "Katy", Canadian National and Baltimore and Ohio.
Then, Walthers marketed the Roco car, circa the mid 1990s.? The trucks are different -- all plastic including the wheels this time-- and there are end markings included.? The roadnames here were Union Pacific, CB&Q/Burlington, Santa Fe, Milwaukee Road, Great Northern and Chicago & North Western.? There were three different road numbers for each as far as I can tell.? I have all three Milwaukee Road cars.?
I'm still looking to document additional roadnumbers for the UP, CB&O, Santa Fe and GN releases.? I've checked Trovestar and eBay and done a general search as well which did get me farther than expected.? Anyone who can "fill in the blanks" let us know!
Cheers,
George
Your list-owner
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Re: #3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
I agree, I'm not interested in prototypicalness of vintage models other than maybe seeing what they were 'trying' to reproduce.??
I'd be more interested in efforts to produce similar data on other vintage mfgs with a focus on complete correct data.. (i.e. Not Trovestar)
Tony Cook? did a nice page in HO (with a bit of N)? Something like that in N would be great..?
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 08:26 G.J. Irwin < groups@...> wrote: Dave and all,
I think it's fair to say that only a small fraction of N Scalers today have even a modest interest in A1G.?
Of those, I really wonder how many are that interested in how 50 year old tooling aligns with the prototype-- particularly obscure ones like the 3000 series.? If anything, there's more concern with whether the railroads for which the cars are decorated even owned these cars.? (The most spectacular example I can think of on this is not A1G: the AHM/Roco "Flexi-Flo" pressurized covered hopper, which was not offered in a single roadname for which it actually existed, and was not offered for the New York Central, which actually owned them.)
If someone other than me is willing to take an N Scale Ruler and check out the key dimensions for A1G equipment, sure, I'll eventually modify the pages.? But I'd submit that it's well known that these are models at 1:160 proportion which were restricted by the available technology... Even now with 2019 models, it's not perfect, and probably will never be 100% spot on.
Cheers,
George
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Re: #3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
Dave and all,
I think it's fair to say that only a small fraction of N Scalers today have even a modest interest in A1G.?
Of those, I really wonder how many are that interested in how 50 year old tooling aligns with the prototype-- particularly obscure ones like the 3000 series.? If anything, there's more concern with whether the railroads for which the cars are decorated even owned these cars.? (The most spectacular example I can think of on this is not A1G: the AHM/Roco "Flexi-Flo" pressurized covered hopper, which was not offered in a single roadname for which it actually existed, and was not offered for the New York Central, which actually owned them.)
If someone other than me is willing to take an N Scale Ruler and check out the key dimensions for A1G equipment, sure, I'll eventually modify the pages.? But I'd submit that it's well known that these are models at 1:160 proportion which were restricted by the available technology... Even now with 2019 models, it's not perfect, and probably will never be 100% spot on.
Cheers,
George
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Re: #3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
I was also intimating that George could improve the 'information value' of A1G site with addition of? noting the precise dimensions in view of discrepency.
regards davew
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Re: #3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
Hah Ian, you bad man...
Well yeah they do - more on the 'tank' rack flat when I get my summary done (a close clone that is).
cheers 'davew
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Re: #3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
Do either of those cars have a prototype?..? Regardless of length accuracy.
And since when have guys been concerned about length..?
~Ian
Ok Doug,
short and to the popint.
To say, again for the:
A1G 3020 Series: 50 Foot Container Flat Cars.
These measure 54' external and 53' IL.
Crazy stuff.
I'll get back to these as I have a summary under way (yes held over from March).
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Re: #3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
Ok Doug,
short and to the popint.
To say, again for the:
A1G 3020 Series: 50 Foot Container Flat Cars.
These measure 54' external and 53' IL.
Crazy stuff.
I'll get back to these as I have a summary under way (yes held over from March).
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Re: #3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
It is in keeping with early N scale for descriptions to not be entirely accurate.
\:^)
Doug
In a message dated 5/27/2019 1:22:11 AM Central Standard Time, groupsmaster@... writes:
and the consequences for history.
I'll just lob this out there and see what the high-ups think.
A1G 3000 Series: 60 Foot Bulkhead Log Flat Cars
Nominally stated as 60' in length-these are a shy shorter and now it's a factor that actual cars of close lengths- 57' mechanical reefers or 60' boxcars are being modelled. According to my calibrated N scale rule, they actually measure up at 57'6" maximum outside/ external length. As can be safely measured, that's 56'6" inside (between end bulkheads, though not that relevant I guess). Contrasting with the 1964 ORER measurements cited. Should these cars now be redefined and more accurately portrayed? {I have one that had lost it's weight and underframe before I purchased, but topside and running is unaffected}. regards davew
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#3000 -Honesty in Advertising?
and the consequences for history.
I'll just lob this out there and see what the high-ups think.
A1G 3000 Series: 60 Foot Bulkhead Log Flat Cars
Nominally stated as 60' in length-these are a shy shorter and now it's a factor that actual cars of close lengths- 57' mechanical reefers or 60' boxcars are being modelled. According to my calibrated N scale rule, they actually measure up at 57'6" maximum outside/ external length. As can be safely measured, that's 56'6" inside (between end bulkheads, though not that relevant I guess). Contrasting with the 1964 ORER measurements cited. Should these cars now be redefined and more accurately portrayed? {I have one that had lost it's weight and underframe before I purchased, but topside and running is unaffected}. regards davew
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