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Re: A1G Automobiles

igoldberg20032003
 

Boy, is that a moldy oldie. Great photo Thanks George.

????????????????? Ira

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Sent: Jun 2, 2022 7:33 AM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [a1g] A1G Automobiles

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A photo of an A1G accessory.? These were used as the load for A1G autoracks but as you can see were also available separately.

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Re: My its been a while...

 

All,?
? ? ? ?I read the posts here, I do agree with others here . I too would not like to see this Group Disappear , As Martin stated perhaps it is time to expand. ?Me, I would expand the group or entice George ?or Doug to include monthly pages to . ?with the Likes of other Early N-SCALE Locomotives etc, I would include?ATLAS / ROCO?, Arnold etc. Maybe add A For Sale / Trade section in irwinsjournal.com/a1g. ?Just my opinion. ??

Tom?
A1G Automobiles

 

A photo of an A1G accessory.? These were used as the load for A1G autoracks but as you can see were also available separately.
Locked Future of This Group

 

I've been reading the comments on the topic of whether to keep this group running or not.?? We don't exactly have a statistically valid sample, even out of the 58 members that are currently enrolled and not "bouncing" (another 18 e-mails are "bouncing"), but out of the people that did respond there were more requests to keep it going than to shut it down.? Let me respond to (I hope) each comment on the thread:

First, Facebook already has plenty of N Scale-oriented groups.? One in particular is called "N Scale Hi-Rail" which covers A1G and other material from roughly the 1960s to the 1990s.? I belong to it and post to it; at this writing there are over 450 members:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/543086996404531
So I don't see the need for another group there.? Further, my view of Facebook is ambivalent at best.? I very carefully manage my presence there and have no less than seven add-ons to my browser to attempt to keep its intrusive tracking, beaconing, cookie-ing, and especially its advertising, off my PC.? I'm not going to get into any other "features" it has because that makes my trains nervous.? And don't get me started about "the algorithm." ?

Second, I don't intend to expand the group beyond A1G.? But A1G is more than just the rolling stock-- anything before, say, 1980, with the Atlas brand is fair game and that includes buildings, track and accessories. ?

Third, the amount of time I need to spend on this group is close to zero, and I have Doug as a co-moderator, so that's not an issue.? What is an issue is how this group is simply not being used.? If you want to keep the group going... then, keep it going... post something, start a topic, etc.? Don't depend on me to do it.? I'm locking this topic after posting my response so that we can have discussion about A1G, not about this post.

Fourth, my own participation in A1G has dropped off because the A1G website could be considered basically complete at this point.? As much as I would like to add to it by posting the "Life After A1G" rolling stock, that is, cars produced with the same tooling and marketed under other brands (Roco, ER Models, Walthers) my own set of multiple competing priorities gets in the way.? I haven't announced anything new posted to the site because there hasn't been anything posted to the site.? What I have been most interested lately, A1G-wise is the "vintage advertising" in Model Railroader and Railroad Model Craftsman.?

So where does that leave us?? With a rather lukewarm "stay of execution" for this group.? I would not outright delete it anyway since there are files and past posts but I would determine how to "close" it.? No action on my part is needed to keep it open, so for now, we'll keep it open.?? If we go through another few months without any activity, though, what would be the point?

By the way, the activity that most typically happens when a note like this is sent... is that people leave the group.?

Cheers,
George (Your continuing list-owner)
Re: My its been a while...

 

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No problem Doug,
It¡¯s the intention that counts :-)
Cheers,

Martin?

Sent from a mobile device, may contain typos

On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Douglas Gosha via groups.io <dgosha@...> wrote:

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Sorry Martin, I would have included you in the group I agree with, too. I wrote my post before I read yours. Doh!
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Doug

In a message dated 6/1/2022 1:23:16 PM Central Standard Time, 914four@... writes:
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I too am not a fan of Facebook,

and am open to the idea of expanding the group, perhaps to include other early generation N modeling products and vendors.

Cheers,

Martin

On 2022-06-01 2:04 p.m., Wm. Neal Lewis wrote:
I like groups and closed my Facebook account over a year ago.

Instant gratification is one of the major problems with the USA society.

Neal

On 5/31/22 4:26 PM, Davinia Bruce wrote:

Today every body is using Facebook, so much easier to post photo's video's and generally communicate. There is still a lot of people collecting vintage n scale.

I understand there are some that do use or trust Facebook, it's safe as long as you learn how to use and control what you want to see and what other people can see.? I'm 75yrs and use Facebook for several groups I belong to with no issues.

Regards

Davinia Bruce

On 1/06/2022 3:50 am, guitarrick_c1812 via groups.io wrote:
I was thinking along the lines of the same thing too as was about to check to see if I was still receiving the emails ? Any ideas ? Maybe expand the A1G to building kits & accessories ? And maybe first generation track if that's feasible ? Personally, I would like to see Atlas give a nod to the first generation through its Trainman line and re-release the original cars & road numbers individually and in sets and package them as so. Mattel has done it with their Hot Wheels line so why not Atlas ? I wouldn't mind collecting again. But maybe that just me ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick


On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 6:09 PM, G.J. Irwin
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)
Re: My its been a while...

 

Sorry Martin, I would have included you in the group I agree with, too. I wrote my post before I read yours. Doh!
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Doug

In a message dated 6/1/2022 1:23:16 PM Central Standard Time, 914four@... writes:
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I too am not a fan of Facebook,

and am open to the idea of expanding the group, perhaps to include other early generation N modeling products and vendors.

Cheers,

Martin

On 2022-06-01 2:04 p.m., Wm. Neal Lewis wrote:
I like groups and closed my Facebook account over a year ago.

Instant gratification is one of the major problems with the USA society.

Neal

On 5/31/22 4:26 PM, Davinia Bruce wrote:

Today every body is using Facebook, so much easier to post photo's video's and generally communicate. There is still a lot of people collecting vintage n scale.

I understand there are some that do use or trust Facebook, it's safe as long as you learn how to use and control what you want to see and what other people can see.? I'm 75yrs and use Facebook for several groups I belong to with no issues.

Regards

Davinia Bruce

On 1/06/2022 3:50 am, guitarrick_c1812 via groups.io wrote:
I was thinking along the lines of the same thing too as was about to check to see if I was still receiving the emails ? Any ideas ? Maybe expand the A1G to building kits & accessories ? And maybe first generation track if that's feasible ? Personally, I would like to see Atlas give a nod to the first generation through its Trainman line and re-release the original cars & road numbers individually and in sets and package them as so. Mattel has done it with their Hot Wheels line so why not Atlas ? I wouldn't mind collecting again. But maybe that just me ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick


On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 6:09 PM, G.J. Irwin
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)
Re: My its been a while...

 

I agree with Ira and Neal. I would hate to see the forum end. I don't do facebook and never will. Also, uploaded files are always there for reference.
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To me though, the determining factor should be how much effort it is for George to keep it open.
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Doug

In a message dated 6/1/2022 1:04:44 PM Central Standard Time, wnlewis@... writes:
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I like groups and closed my Facebook account over a year ago.

Instant gratification is one of the major problems with the USA society.

Neal

On 5/31/22 4:26 PM, Davinia Bruce wrote:

Today every body is using Facebook, so much easier to post photo's video's and generally communicate. There is still a lot of people collecting vintage n scale.

I understand there are some that do use or trust Facebook, it's safe as long as you learn how to use and control what you want to see and what other people can see.? I'm 75yrs and use Facebook for several groups I belong to with no issues.

Regards

Davinia Bruce

On 1/06/2022 3:50 am, guitarrick_c1812 via groups.io wrote:
I was thinking along the lines of the same thing too as was about to check to see if I was still receiving the emails ? Any ideas ? Maybe expand the A1G to building kits & accessories ? And maybe first generation track if that's feasible ? Personally, I would like to see Atlas give a nod to the first generation through its Trainman line and re-release the original cars & road numbers individually and in sets and package them as so. Mattel has done it with their Hot Wheels line so why not Atlas ? I wouldn't mind collecting again. But maybe that just me ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick


On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 6:09 PM, G.J. Irwin
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)
Re: My its been a while...

 

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I too am not a fan of Facebook,

and am open to the idea of expanding the group, perhaps to include other early generation N modeling products and vendors.

Cheers,

Martin

On 2022-06-01 2:04 p.m., Wm. Neal Lewis wrote:

I like groups and closed my Facebook account over a year ago.

Instant gratification is one of the major problems with the USA society.

Neal

On 5/31/22 4:26 PM, Davinia Bruce wrote:

Today every body is using Facebook, so much easier to post photo's video's and generally communicate. There is still a lot of people collecting vintage n scale.

I understand there are some that do use or trust Facebook, it's safe as long as you learn how to use and control what you want to see and what other people can see.? I'm 75yrs and use Facebook for several groups I belong to with no issues.

Regards

Davinia Bruce

On 1/06/2022 3:50 am, guitarrick_c1812 via groups.io wrote:
I was thinking along the lines of the same thing too as was about to check to see if I was still receiving the emails ? Any ideas ? Maybe expand the A1G to building kits & accessories ? And maybe first generation track if that's feasible ? Personally, I would like to see Atlas give a nod to the first generation through its Trainman line and re-release the original cars & road numbers individually and in sets and package them as so. Mattel has done it with their Hot Wheels line so why not Atlas ? I wouldn't mind collecting again. But maybe that just me ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick


On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 6:09 PM, G.J. Irwin
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)

Re: My its been a while...

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

I like groups and closed my Facebook account over a year ago.

Instant gratification is one of the major problems with the USA society.

Neal

On 5/31/22 4:26 PM, Davinia Bruce wrote:

Today every body is using Facebook, so much easier to post photo's video's and generally communicate. There is still a lot of people collecting vintage n scale.

I understand there are some that do use or trust Facebook, it's safe as long as you learn how to use and control what you want to see and what other people can see.? I'm 75yrs and use Facebook for several groups I belong to with no issues.

Regards

Davinia Bruce

On 1/06/2022 3:50 am, guitarrick_c1812 via groups.io wrote:
I was thinking along the lines of the same thing too as was about to check to see if I was still receiving the emails ? Any ideas ? Maybe expand the A1G to building kits & accessories ? And maybe first generation track if that's feasible ? Personally, I would like to see Atlas give a nod to the first generation through its Trainman line and re-release the original cars & road numbers individually and in sets and package them as so. Mattel has done it with their Hot Wheels line so why not Atlas ? I wouldn't mind collecting again. But maybe that just me ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick


On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 6:09 PM, G.J. Irwin
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)

Re: My its been a while...

 

Actually opening up the group to Facebook wouldn't be such a bad think and open up to others who other wise might not know of its existence ? Makes it easier to post images and help things get moving once again. Just need to select a couple of moderators, set rules and decide wether you want the page public or private. Here's a couple of background headers I just made up if you decide to go this route just for idea purposes.?
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On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 6:09 PM, G.J. Irwin
<groups@...> wrote:
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)

End Of The a1g Forum

igoldberg20032003
 

I would hate to see the aig forum go away.? Have been a member for a LONG time.
?????????????????????? Ira Goldberg
Re: My its been a while...

 

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Today every body is using Facebook, so much easier to post photo's video's and generally communicate. There is still a lot of people collecting vintage n scale.

I understand there are some that do use or trust Facebook, it's safe as long as you learn how to use and control what you want to see and what other people can see.? I'm 75yrs and use Facebook for several groups I belong to with no issues.

Regards

Davinia Bruce

On 1/06/2022 3:50 am, guitarrick_c1812 via groups.io wrote:

I was thinking along the lines of the same thing too as was about to check to see if I was still receiving the emails ? Any ideas ? Maybe expand the A1G to building kits & accessories ? And maybe first generation track if that's feasible ? Personally, I would like to see Atlas give a nod to the first generation through its Trainman line and re-release the original cars & road numbers individually and in sets and package them as so. Mattel has done it with their Hot Wheels line so why not Atlas ? I wouldn't mind collecting again. But maybe that just me ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick


On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 6:09 PM, G.J. Irwin
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)

Re: My its been a while...

 

I was thinking along the lines of the same thing too as was about to check to see if I was still receiving the emails ? Any ideas ? Maybe expand the A1G to building kits & accessories ? And maybe first generation track if that's feasible ? Personally, I would like to see Atlas give a nod to the first generation through its Trainman line and re-release the original cars & road numbers individually and in sets and package them as so. Mattel has done it with their Hot Wheels line so why not Atlas ? I wouldn't mind collecting again. But maybe that just me ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick


On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 6:09 PM, G.J. Irwin
<groups@...> wrote:
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)

Re: My its been a while...

dave w
 

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 01:09 PM, G.J. Irwin wrote:
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, ...
Any thoughts?
Thanks George for both responding and asking.
You will understand it is entirely my own decision to cut back on less 'activities' for myself and no reflection on the group. I've enjoyed the interactions and help I received over the years, a much kinder group than many of the hardline chaps around the others.
I suppose the audience for the genre is reducing, as they always do, and hence the activity goes with it. I think your efforts and the group, whilst slow, and I did occasionally punch out a cheeky post I think just to get some debate, have always been effective and encouraging. UMTRR can't possibly fail, so this avenue doesn't exhaust much energy compared with that.

I cut back last year on newsletters from the many large companies that I had lived in hope of seeing models come from (for the old D&RGW- a railroad I specifically targeted and researched since 1998 actually, with one short trip to Denver/ Col Springs etc and a memorable ride across from SF on the Cal Zephyr in '02. So I briefly lived a little and saw the West and Mountains from the railroad! (Actually I did a lot more research in Mass. on the AWI...) .

I'd love to pass on my collection to someone/s who will cherish them for what they are- not valuable but effective and entertaining pieces of history. I've made good runners out of most old material, repaired a few and refurbished to 'company' detail a lot, but never quite got them finished. With my friends passing it all very much fell out of favour.

I guess if there are competing attractions, I don't know much about them as I've slipped away from actve research- but I don't think I'd want to encourage you to close it down. Yes I agree the technology era, whilst inducing good, and made many people rich, has also irreparably damaged society by enhancing the need, desire and demand for 'instant gratification' which i find sad really.

I wish you all (AND ALL) the best results for the future, regards for now
davew
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Re: My its been a while...

T Meserole
 

I would agree.? It took me a while to even recognize this group, when the email arrived.

I think we can shut it down.

Tom Meserole

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 8:09 PM G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:
Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)

Re: My its been a while...

 

Dave, sorry to see you leaving the "spectator" mode but understood.

More generally, however, I see that "My It's Been A While" since there has been <any> activity on this group.? Specifically, the last message was posted on June 21 of Last Year.?

I believe that this group has worn out its usefulness.? There are simply too many alternatives to choose from that offer more instant gratification.

Any thoughts?

George (Your list-owner)
My its been a while...

dave w
 

Hi George and the gang

Well my fondness for N scale and all those little things I grew up with hasn't waned. But the prospects of a collection no longer seen and even less likely a layout of any description, now that I'm an unofficial pensioner too, means inevitably I must resign my spectator post on this and other groups. I notice many fade away and it's been a long time since the heyday of Y** groups.

I lost a dear friend back in 2017 and with him, his massive layout on which I spent many enjoyable hours for exactly 10 years, (I was also living there looking after his beloved cats! quite often)- doing scenery (it was a typical plywood central in 2007) and ribbing his 'traditional' outlook on terrain (ie British) and exotic mixture of fantasies (US/ British/ Japanese! and a few 'proxy' New Zealand models) of running collections. He sold and parted up the layout prior to his unfortunate last days to save his families burden.

So in a week or so I'll sign out, and George I'll be in touch separately about UMTRR,
but thanks all for the entertainment,
regards davew
Re: ATLAS a1g TANK CAR ?

 

Our leader is correct, of course, and it's especially true if the car is in left-the-factory condition because usually, when you see the 94 foot tankers for sale, there are things wrong like missing brake wheels or railings or attempts at weathering or no box or, I saw one once with incorrect trucks on it.
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The perfect ones are rare and worth more.
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Doug
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In a message dated 6/25/2021 7:59:12 AM Central Standard Time, groups@... writes:
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I joined the group.? Prices range from reasonable to "are you kidding"??

The $125 for the 94 foot tank car is really not that far out of line.? All four roadnames regularly sell for close to that on eBay; more likely so when the opening bid is lower and you get two or more "highly motivated buyers" competing.? I suspect this is partially because these are the only models (so far... but it's been fifty years now) and the car wasn't manufactured before or since.?

I see there's a fair amount of chatter about that listing. I don't know if it resulted in a sale.

Cheers,
George (your list-owner, who fortunately already has all four)
Tank Car Blog including a Vinegar Car Prototype

 

From "another network" I have a citation to a page in the "Industrial History Blog" which discusses some random information about tank cars in general...



More importantly, there's a photo of Standard Brands vinegar tank car SBIX 1641.? If you'd like to go to that photo directly, here's a URL:



As we've noted before here and elsewhere, this car isn't a match for the A1G model but it is an illustration of what the real Standard Brands tank cars looked like.

George (your list owner)
(still looking for that later production Atlas Heinz 57 vinegar car)
Re: ATLAS a1g TANK CAR ?

 

I joined the group.? Prices range from reasonable to "are you kidding"??

The $125 for the 94 foot tank car is really not that far out of line.? All four roadnames regularly sell for close to that on eBay; more likely so when the opening bid is lower and you get two or more "highly motivated buyers" competing.? I suspect this is partially because these are the only models (so far... but it's been fifty years now) and the car wasn't manufactured before or since.?

I see there's a fair amount of chatter about that listing. I don't know if it resulted in a sale.

Cheers,
George (your list-owner, who fortunately already has all four)
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