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Re: An idea!

 

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I attached a picture (not sure if the forum software allows it, but let’s give it a shot). I think there was a thread on this a while ago, but basically it’s two parts.

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First, a 2000mAH LiPo battery and power/charger module and second, a Bluetooth BLE module. The power module (Adafruit PowerBoost 1000C) has a charger input (with voltage pass-through so you can use the device when charging), a JST battery connector, power switch and power output pins (in the form of a USB A footprint; no jack installed). 5V power from the power board connects to an Adafruit BlueFruit BLE module (used for Arduino projects I suspect). This module has standard serial RX/TX CTS/RTS pins. Power and serial signals are then wired to a 0.1” 1x6 Molex-style connector which then connects to header P1 on the front panel board. All of these are mounted in an insulated Altoids tin which can sit in the lid of the tin holding the Z80MC.

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I got tired of having a serial cable dangling on my desk so this makes it way easier to use.

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Rich

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Rich Cini

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On 7/25/20, 3:24 PM, "Bill in OKC too via groups.io" <[email protected] on behalf of wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

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Can we have some details here? I did this stuff back in the late 70's and early 80's, but got into appliance computers when the TRS-80 Model 1, Level 1 came out. Something about releasing the magic smoke from my Cosmac Elf. I'm pretty good with cookbooks, not so much DIY. I can build a mean PC, but that's just assembly. Any mechanic can do it.?

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Bill in OKC

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William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

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On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 02:08:21 PM CDT, Richard Cini <rich.cini@...> wrote:

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Here’s something for the group. One project I did was to make it wireless/portable. I have a LiOH battery, charger board and Bluetooth LE module (all from Adafruit) mounded in a second Altoids box. The new version of Serial (term emulator for OSX) can connect to the BLE module. So totally portable and wireless CPM fun.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:01:58 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Z80MC] An idea!

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comatose, but probably not dead. I just retired again, and I've been too busy to play with anything but SWMBO's Honey Do list. ;)

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OTH, I did find my copy of? Zaks Intro to Microprocessors. Somewhere here I know I have a Z80 and maybe some of the support chips. First I have to find the top of my electronics workbench.?

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Bill in OKC

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William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

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On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 01:55:38 PM CDT, ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...> wrote:

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Thump thump.. testing 123 test test...

IS there any life or is it dead?

Allison


Re: An idea!

 

Can we have some details here? I did this stuff back in the late 70's and early 80's, but got into appliance computers when the TRS-80 Model 1, Level 1 came out. Something about releasing the magic smoke from my Cosmac Elf. I'm pretty good with cookbooks, not so much DIY. I can build a mean PC, but that's just assembly. Any mechanic can do it.?

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)





On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 02:08:21 PM CDT, Richard Cini <rich.cini@...> wrote:


Here’s something for the group. One project I did was to make it wireless/portable. I have a LiOH battery, charger board and Bluetooth LE module (all from Adafruit) mounded in a second Altoids box. The new version of Serial (term emulator for OSX) can connect to the BLE module. So totally portable and wireless CPM fun.


Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:01:58 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Z80MC] An idea!
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comatose, but probably not dead. I just retired again, and I've been too busy to play with anything but SWMBO's Honey Do list. ;)

OTH, I did find my copy of? Zaks Intro to Microprocessors. Somewhere here I know I have a Z80 and maybe some of the support chips. First I have to find the top of my electronics workbench.?

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)





On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 01:55:38 PM CDT, ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...> wrote:


Thump thump.. testing 123 test test...

IS there any life or is it dead?

Allison


Re: An idea!

 

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Here’s something for the group. One project I did was to make it wireless/portable. I have a LiOH battery, charger board and Bluetooth LE module (all from Adafruit) mounded in a second Altoids box. The new version of Serial (term emulator for OSX) can connect to the BLE module. So totally portable and wireless CPM fun.


Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:01:58 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Z80MC] An idea!
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comatose, but probably not dead. I just retired again, and I've been too busy to play with anything but SWMBO's Honey Do list. ;)

OTH, I did find my copy of? Zaks Intro to Microprocessors. Somewhere here I know I have a Z80 and maybe some of the support chips. First I have to find the top of my electronics workbench.?

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)





On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 01:55:38 PM CDT, ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...> wrote:


Thump thump.. testing 123 test test...

IS there any life or is it dead?

Allison


Re: An idea!

 

comatose, but probably not dead. I just retired again, and I've been too busy to play with anything but SWMBO's Honey Do list. ;)

OTH, I did find my copy of? Zaks Intro to Microprocessors. Somewhere here I know I have a Z80 and maybe some of the support chips. First I have to find the top of my electronics workbench.?

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)





On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 01:55:38 PM CDT, ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...> wrote:


Thump thump.. testing 123 test test...

IS there any life or is it dead?

Allison


Re: An idea!

 

Thump thump.. testing 123 test test...

IS there any life or is it dead?

Allison


Re: An idea!

 

Scott,

must ahve better google foo....??

That is only a sample.? The trick is the 8073 was also called SC/MP-II.? Also helps
to try all three designations as National changed that over the years.

I have the 8a600 (the pmos first version), the sc/mp-II and the ins8073.
Interesting chip but slow.

Allison


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Bill:
Happy to share and happy to bring back some fond memories for you.

The wire wrapping was very tedious and it wasn't just the one INS8073 board. There were three others that were wire-wrapped as well. I did't realize that RS had charged US$25 for a spool of #30 AWG Kynar wire. Yikes! Before they closed stores a few years ago, I grabbed about 4 spools for about US$3 each. I don't do much wire-wrapping these days but I do use the #30 AWG Kynar wire for rework and repairs. :)

I have an 1802 in my parts bins but never put one together nor have I done any programming on one. I've thought about it on and off over the past year, so I may at some time do so. :)

I have Lee's Z80 + SIO card set. No front panel. It seems to work well with CP/M. Josh did a phenomenal job on the firmware and software.

Peace and blessings


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Pretty cool, Scott. A few years before you did this, I built (from RE) the COSMAC Elf computer. I didn't have friends who'd give me parts and tools, so I bought mine. I was a bit older, and already employed by the USAF as a photographer. I also had way to many other hobbies. This was late in 1976 or early 1977, or maybe as late as early 1978. Radio Shack had the best price I could find at the time, I believe it was $15 for the wire wrap tool, and $25 for a roll of blue wire. That was quite a chunk of my pay as an A1C in the USAF at the time, so only the one color. The Elf only had 256 bytes of ram, and no rom. I got it wired up, while waiting for enough money to buy the ram, which at that time was $300 for the 8 chips needed. That was most of my monthly salary. Then there was a substantial price drop, down to $100 for the necessary chips. Got them, installed them, and discovered a wiring error that let the magic smoke out of the new ram chips. My friend Jim, who was also interested in computers and had a camera repair shop in Ft. Walton Beach, traded some of his spare camera repair tools for the fried board, and soon thereafter my wife bought me a TRS80 Model 1, Level 1, 4K machine. I made some upgrades on it, over the years, but never again built a computer from scratch. I did do some programming, for a few more years, but eventually became more of an appliance user. I've "built" several PC's in the past couple of decades, but buying parts that plug in, and maybe have a screw or two to hold them in place is not the same thing.

I've been out of work for several weeks for medical issues, should be going back next week, I hope. Once I have some more income, I am seriously considering building one of Lee's Membership Card CPM machines. That is the last OS I did any serious programming in. The Z89 I was using CP/M (and HDOS) on was a kit built by my FIL, not me. I've not built anything except the odd PC now and again in at least 30 years. Reading your blog reminded me again of some of the fun I've been missing.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Friday, January 10, 2020, 12:21:42 PM CST, SCOTT VITALE <scotty264b@...> wrote:


Paul:
You mentioned SC/MP; I used to have an SC/MP (INS8060) development board. I'm not sure where it ever went to. In my late teen years, I was given an INS8073 sample, which was the successor to the SC/MP (INS8060). The INS8073 had 2.5K of mask ROM with NIBL (NATIONAL Industrial BASIC Language) built in. I designed a whole computer around it, software and all. It was housed in a COMPUTER PRODUCTS I/O chassis and used multiple add-in boards that plugged into the back-plane. I acquired a dot-matrix printer that Larry from THE LITTLE COMPUTER STORE (S. Florida) retired and let me have for $100. I took it to college with me and wrote a word processor using the tiny BASIC. I recently pulled the main board out of storage, which is all I kept from the whole computer. Since there is little to no information on "the net" for the INS8073, I decided to document the project and posted a blog on it. You may be interested.?

Peace and blessings.


Re: An idea!

 

Paul:
You mentioned SC/MP; I used to have an SC/MP (INS8060) development board. I'm not sure where it ever went to. In my late teen years, I was given an INS8073 sample, which was the successor to the SC/MP (INS8060). The INS8073 had 2.5K of mask ROM with NIBL (NATIONAL Industrial BASIC Language) built in. I designed a whole computer around it, software and all. It was housed in a COMPUTER PRODUCTS I/O chassis and used multiple add-in boards that plugged into the back-plane. I acquired a dot-matrix printer that Larry from THE LITTLE COMPUTER STORE (S. Florida) retired and let me have for $100. I took it to college with me and wrote a word processor using the tiny BASIC. I recently pulled the main board out of storage, which is all I kept from the whole computer. Since there is little to no information on "the net" for the INS8073, I decided to document the project and posted a blog on it. You may be interested.?

Peace and blessings.


Re: An idea!

 

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Oh great.?

Look forward to that PCB board!

I played with the 6800 a bit, after cutting my teeth on the SC/MP.

Best Regards


Paul

Sent from Samsung tablet.


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ajparent1/kb1gmx wrote:
Of the possible member cards the one that sorta needs to be explored is
the 6502 and maybe 6800 or 6809.

When you look back the 1802, 8080/Z80 and 6502 reflect a significant number
and variations of machines. The three also reflect very different
programming mindsets.
Indeed, I'm working with someone on just such a thing. It's a Membership Card for the 6502, 6800, and 6809. The Front Panel cards are all the same; the CPU boards are necessarily different. The challenge so far is writing the software for each.

Lee Hart

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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in.
-- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem"
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Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com


Re: An idea!

 

Of the possible member cards the one that sorta needs to be explored is the 6502
and maybe 6800 or 6809.??

When you look back the 1802, 8080/z80 and 6502 reflect a significant number
and variations of machines.? Also the three also reflect very different programming
mindsets.

Allison


Re: An idea!

 

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I cut my teeth on 370's and EBCDIC was all I knew for years.? ASCII seemed like they were just trying to be different!? I still remember "A" as C1 "a" was some other thing but who needed lower case anyway.?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...>
Sent: December 3, 2019 11:43 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Z80MC] An idea!
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Then there is EBCDIC....
Some machine still do BCD math!? (1806, 8080, 8085. z80).

Its how the logic is organized as a BCD computer was done (several times)
but from a logic reduction standpoint a binary math solution is few gates
to get the task done.

IF we ignore that than any number system is doable.

That's also factored from the 70s where I did control interface logic for
a 8 channel tape deck that had three level logic!? If that hurts, consider
that a spindle?has a clutch that can be forward, reverse or tension, or
brake that was?on, off, or drag.? Really!? So Trinary logic of levels had
to be reduced to a two bit code.

Allison


Re: An idea!

 

Then there is EBCDIC....
Some machine still do BCD math!? (1806, 8080, 8085. z80).

Its how the logic is organized as a BCD computer was done (several times)
but from a logic reduction standpoint a binary math solution is few gates
to get the task done.

IF we ignore that than any number system is doable.

That's also factored from the 70s where I did control interface logic for
a 8 channel tape deck that had three level logic!? If that hurts, consider
that a spindle?has a clutch that can be forward, reverse or tension, or
brake that was?on, off, or drag.? Really!? So Trinary logic of levels had
to be reduced to a two bit code.

Allison


Re: Confirming Group Email Address Change

 

bill rowe wrote:
If you get this you are subscribed to the z80 Membership Card User Group
mailing list at [email protected]
Congratulations, Bill! It worked. Now I'm off to update my manuals. :-)

Lee

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ICEs have the same problem as lightbulbs. Why innovate and make
better ones when the current ones burn out often enough to keep
you in business? -- Hunter Cressall
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Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com


Confirming Group Email Address Change

 

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If you get this you are subscribed to the z80 Membership Card User Group mailing list at [email protected]


Renaming the Group: [Z8MC] Z80 Not Z8

 

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I'm going to pull the trigger on changing the group email and name to Z80MC from Z8MC.? I'm sending this out before the change and i'll send a confirmation later.


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of bill rowe <bill_rowe_ottawa@...>
Sent: December 1, 2019 11:54 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Z8MC] Z80 Not Z8
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Agreed.? Lee had asked me to change it and i was waiting for things to settle down.? I'll try to do it this afternoon.

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jean-Claude Wippler <jc@...>
Sent: December 1, 2019 11:33 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Z8MC] Z80 Not Z8
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A rename would be useful, the current "Z8MC" naming is mighty confusing, IMO.


Re: Z80 Not Z8

 

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Agreed.? Lee had asked me to change it and i was waiting for things to settle down.? I'll try to do it this afternoon.


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jean-Claude Wippler <jc@...>
Sent: December 1, 2019 11:33 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Z8MC] Z80 Not Z8
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A rename would be useful, the current "Z8MC" naming is mighty confusing, IMO.


Re: Z80 Not Z8

Jean-Claude Wippler
 

A rename would be useful, the current "Z8MC" naming is mighty confusing, IMO.


Re: Source code?

 

Sources are on the net.? Look for Walnut creek CP/M CDrom.
http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/ftp.php?b=cpm/Software/WalnutCD

OR? the SIG/M acrchives (all PD with source):
http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/ftp.php?b=cpm%2FSoftware%2FWalnutCD%2Fsimtel%2Fsigm



THe home for finding that? and more is:? ?http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/