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crossing back to front
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aprsrdw
when I look at the pictures of the standard I get the idea that connecting the left front inner track to the right back outertrack and visa versa is not alowed but there is not actualy written anything about it.
the same goes for the end modules, the other tracks and inner tracks loop but nothing is written about alowing the front tracks and back tracks loop. finaly the y and x modules the tracks keep following the edges but again nothign is written about alowing the tracks to cross or turnout. are alternative track connections alowed provided you keep taps on the directions? |
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For crossing over from 'front to back' whether just the Inner track or both is doable, but not without limitations. You can do it with flat track (no grades) using crosses. Or, you can use grades over and under (one track goes down 1/2 way, the other goes up 1/2 way). This requires at LEAST 6' and is NOT recommended for shows, unless you are the only modules (or your colleagues will run with you). Marlkin locos will struggle with 5 cars on the grades, MTL or AZL can pull maybe 10 without too much trouble. However, running several trains on the same track will always have speed variations to deal with.
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As for end modules or even any other module, you can crossover from Inner/Outer tracks (the ones next to each other) anywhere. If you lay out flex track on an End module, go can make a larger radius 'balloon' end by going out to 10 and 11" radius. This also allows you to make a much smoother 'asymeterical' crossover using one Left and one Right instead of the 2 L or 2 R. Jeff SF Bay Area Z -----Original Message-----
From: "aprsrdw" <ah.v.schaijk@...> Sender: Z-Bend_Track@... Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:29:57 To: <Z-Bend_Track@...> Reply-To: Z-Bend_Track@... Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] crossing back to front when I look at the pictures of the standard I get the idea that connecting the left front inner track to the right back outertrack and visa versa is not alowed but there is not actualy written anything about it. the same goes for the end modules, the other tracks and inner tracks loop but nothing is written about alowing the front tracks and back tracks loop. finaly the y and x modules the tracks keep following the edges but again nothign is written about alowing the tracks to cross or turnout. are alternative track connections alowed provided you keep taps on the directions? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Randall Smidt
Good point.? Probably should include crossovers in the next update of the standard.
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? Crossovers have been done before, but the elctrical connections have to be reversed I think.? I am NOT the electrical expert here, but if you?search the group archives, I think it has been addressed before.? Perhaps someone more versed in how to do the electrical part of this can chime in. ? As for tracks coming off the sides of the modules, anything is permitted as long as the end connections to other Z-Bend Track modules are standard.? A few modules have been built that have non-Z-Bend Track interfaces for the personal use of the module builder while the ends still maintain Z-Bend Track standard interfaces to connect to other modules. ? For a couple of national shows we have also built Z-Bend Track to Z-Mod interfaces (a standard similar to NTrak, but not as widely used as Z-Bend Track) as well as Jeff White's personal non-standard modules.? I suppose something similar could be done to connect with some of the module standards being used in Europe. ? Randy Smidt --- On Fri, 1/14/11, aprsrdw <ah.v.schaijk@...> wrote:
From: aprsrdw <ah.v.schaijk@...> Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] crossing back to front To: Z-Bend_Track@... Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 3:29 PM ? when I look at the pictures of the standard I get the idea that connecting the left front inner track to the right back outertrack and visa versa is not alowed but there is not actualy written anything about it. the same goes for the end modules, the other tracks and inner tracks loop but nothing is written about alowing the front tracks and back tracks loop. finaly the y and x modules the tracks keep following the edges but again nothign is written about alowing the tracks to cross or turnout. are alternative track connections alowed provided you keep taps on the directions? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The beauty of the Z-Bend configuration is a standard of which you can modularly hook up with your fellow railroader to create multiple configurations. You can cross, loop, spread out in any direction on any given module, as long as you connect back to the "connection standard". Now.........if you want to custom "pin" or connect say the middle section of a yard module, such as what is in the planning stages for 2011 NTS, as in no expansion tracks, you can do that too. Just that you are now confined to a module of your own making that is not interchangeable, read modular with any one of your fellow railroaders. That is the beauty of having a standard.
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While doing your own thing, keep in mind if you do hook up to others your track radius and clearances, especially rock and tunnel portals. If you have configured your module to run your 0-6-0 in some tight radius', criss crossing the continent..........my Challenger is not gonna be happy. Hopefully you are building something to join in the fun for NTS? Don -----Original Message-----
From: aprsrdw <ah.v.schaijk@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Fri, Jan 14, 2011 12:29 pm Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] crossing back to front when I look at the pictures of the standard I get the idea that connecting the left front inner track to the right back outertrack and visa versa is not alowed but there is not actualy written anything about it. the same goes for the end modules, the other tracks and inner tracks loop but nothing is written about alowing the front tracks and back tracks loop. finaly the y and x modules the tracks keep following the edges but again nothign is written about alowing the tracks to cross or turnout. are alternative track connections alowed provided you keep taps on the directions? |
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aprsrdw
--- In Z-Bend_Track@..., Don Fedjur <donfedjur@...> wrote:
Thanks Don and everyone else who responded. Just realise I forgot to introduce myself, I'm usualy called Hey you or Andre by friends :) I'm in Netherlands (for the geographicly chalanged that is the litle country between england germany and belgium with the capital Amsterdam :) ) I'm mostly going to use modules for my home layout because I have limited abilety to leave it up permanently but won't rule out finding a club to join in a larger layout. My job is civil engeneering, at the moment airfield runways for the dutch airforce but have designed a number of railroad projects Glad to hear the freedom includes the abilety to cross and interconnect including using adopter modules between the standard and other module interfaces. Talking about interfaces as randy pointed out if you do cross then the incomming wires need to match up with the right outgoing wires as wel, but what about the custom wires? has anyone used those 4 wires for module in use signaling, like first wire: this module inner track used, second wire: next module inner track used, thirth wire: this module outer track used, firth wire next module outer track used? ps. joining NTS? not sure I could afford the shipping :P greetings, Andre |
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We need to get you hooked up with the Zmod groups, a 2 track mainline module standard. There a couple of Niederlander gentlemen and many others in the Europe and Scandanavian region. Z Friends Europe is a place to start and the Trainanini online magazine. Also, every 2 years is a HUGE Z scale meet, formerly in Geseke, now Altenbeken Germany. Next year is the scheduled meet.
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Jeff SF Bay Area Z -----Original Message-----
From: "aprsrdw" <ah.v.schaijk@...> Sender: Z-Bend_Track@... Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:21:23 To: <Z-Bend_Track@...> Reply-To: Z-Bend_Track@... Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: crossing back to front --- In Z-Bend_Track@..., Don Fedjur <donfedjur@...> wrote: Thanks Don and everyone else who responded. Just realise I forgot to introduce myself, I'm usualy called Hey you or Andre by friends :) I'm in Netherlands (for the geographicly chalanged that is the litle country between england germany and belgium with the capital Amsterdam :) ) I'm mostly going to use modules for my home layout because I have limited abilety to leave it up permanently but won't rule out finding a club to join in a larger layout. My job is civil engeneering, at the moment airfield runways for the dutch airforce but have designed a number of railroad projects Glad to hear the freedom includes the abilety to cross and interconnect including using adopter modules between the standard and other module interfaces. Talking about interfaces as randy pointed out if you do cross then the incomming wires need to match up with the right outgoing wires as wel, but what about the custom wires? has anyone used those 4 wires for module in use signaling, like first wire: this module inner track used, second wire: next module inner track used, thirth wire: this module outer track used, firth wire next module outer track used? ps. joining NTS? not sure I could afford the shipping :P greetings, Andre ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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I'm new to the group and Z-scale. Where can I get a copy of the standards mentioned below?
DEWEY Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. o o o o o o o . . . ______________________________ o _____ || | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | | >(________|__|_[_________]_|____________________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o!o!o o!o!o` -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ --- On Fri, 1/14/11, aprsrdw <ah.v.schaijk@...> wrote: From: aprsrdw <ah.v.schaijk@...> Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] crossing back to front To: Z-Bend_Track@... Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 2:29 PM when I look at the pictures of the standard I get the idea that connecting the left front inner track to the right back outertrack and visa versa is not alowed but there is not actualy written anything about it. the same goes for the end modules, the other tracks and inner tracks loop but nothing is written about alowing the front tracks and back tracks loop. finaly the y and x modules the tracks keep following the edges but again nothign is written about alowing the tracks to cross or turnout. are alternative track connections alowed provided you keep taps on the directions? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks. Got it. It will take me a while to study ans absorb it all.???? DEWEY
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. o o o o o o o . . . ______________________________ o _____ || | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | | >(________|__|_[_________]_|____________________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o!o!o o!o!o` -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ --- On Sat, 1/15/11, ztrack@... <ztrack@...> wrote: From: ztrack@... <ztrack@...> Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] crossing back to front To: Z-Bend_Track@... Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:24 AM We have the Z Bend Track standards posted here: Rob Ztrack Magazine Ltd. www.ztrack.com www.ztrackcenter.com www.ztrackresale.com 6142 Northcliff Blvd Dublin OH 43016 (614) 764-1703 ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Patrick
In the newly created Crossover Module photo album on this group, I have place 2 photos (one overhead and one side) of the 6 foot crossover module that I created a couple of years ago and that we use for the DC ZBend Track group. It has been used at a couple of shows, and can support trains of 50 or 60 cars. Brian, Rob, Randy et al, please correct me if I am off on the numbers. To compensate for the crossover, a specially wired balloon end module is used next to the crossover. One pair of tracks dips down and one rises up, for perhaps a 2+ per cent grade. For the first show, a non-balloon end module was used, but it severely limited the train lengths because a too tight radius was used. The balloon end module, with a much wider radius, appears to have alleviated this issue. For the balloon end module, the track feeder wires that normally go to the outside rail outer track are wired to the connector post for the inside rail inner track, etc.
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