#4379

Hello list,

You may ask why I would need to kitbash an HO scale PRR K4s 4-6-2 since there have been (amongst others) the Bowser, Bachmann, MTH, and Broadway Limited versions. ?As with many kitbashing questions, the answer is just a skosh complicated. ?

I attached a couple of shots of what will become PRR K4s 5455. ?

The first prototype photo shows the engine about 1947. ?

The second shows the engine probably in the middle of WWII, but shows the main disc-type driver better.?

A few years ago I purchased a Bowser "13,000 gallon" tender (really an early 130F82 that can stand in for a 130P75) and a Sunset/Samhongsa PRR K4s boiler from another modeling friend. Initially, I had no idea what I'd do with the pieces. ?Last year, I bought a used Mantua 4-6-2 that had (amongst other cosmetic flaws) a cracked cab. ?I had one remaining Alliance Mantua 4-6-2 reposer kit, so I fit it to the model. ?

Once I saw photos of K4s 5455 with the main disc-type driver, I thought the Mantua chassis (albeit with all disc-type drivers) could work with the Samhongsa K4s boiler. ?If I can get a supply of more Mantua spoked Pacific drivers, I could get closer to the prototype, but that's not the end of the world for me. ?

I test fit the Samhongsa boiler to the Mantua chassis, and after a bit of grinding on the firebox front sheets, the boiler fit nicely onto the chassis. ?I'm still building up a pad of .030 styrene attached to the boiler so that it will eventually sit level on the Mantua chassis.

I just got the engine running with a very basic decoder installation. ?So now I have a Mantua 4-6-2 with a Korean boiler and a Bowser tender....very American. :)

I like the modernized front end appearance (relocated headlight and generator, along with front platform and drop coupler pilot). ?I plan on finishing the model to represent the prototype's general configuration in 1947.

Doug Kisala

#4380

Doug,

Well, doesn't every Pennsy modeler need "just one more K4s"? lol I think this is a very neat conversion and would love to see it when it's finished.

Those aren't disk drivers. They are Box Pok.?I'm no expert but I don't recall Tyco/Mantua Pacifics having the spoked drivers you mentioned. Maybe Bowser K-11 drivers might work?

I think you and I are in the minority liking the "modernized" front ends. Very interesting model!

?

Roger Huber

Deer Creek Locomotive Works

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From: Doug Kisala via Groups.Io <dougkisala@...>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Kitbashed PRR K4s

Hello list,

You may ask why I would need to kitbash an HO scale PRR K4s 4-6-2 since there have been (amongst others) the Bowser, Bachmann, MTH, and Broadway Limited versions. ?As with many kitbashing questions, the answer is just a skosh complicated. ?

I attached a couple of shots of what will become PRR K4s 5455. ?

The first prototype photo shows the engine about 1947. ?

The second shows the engine probably in the middle of WWII, but shows the main disc-type driver better.?

A few years ago I purchased a Bowser "13,000 gallon" tender (really an early 130F82 that can stand in for a 130P75) and a Sunset/Samhongsa PRR K4s boiler from another modeling friend. Initially, I had no idea what I'd do with the pieces. ?Last year, I bought a used Mantua 4-6-2 that had (amongst other cosmetic flaws) a cracked cab. ?I had one remaining Alliance Mantua 4-6-2 reposer kit, so I fit it to the model. ?

Once I saw photos of K4s 5455 with the main disc-type driver, I thought the Mantua chassis (albeit with all disc-type drivers) could work with the Samhongsa K4s boiler. ?If I can get a supply of more Mantua spoked Pacific drivers, I could get closer to the prototype, but that's not the end of the world for me. ?

I test fit the Samhongsa boiler to the Mantua chassis, and after a bit of grinding on the firebox front sheets, the boiler fit nicely onto the chassis. ?I'm still building up a pad of .030 styrene attached to the boiler so that it will eventually sit level on the Mantua chassis.

I just got the engine running with a very basic decoder installation. ?So now I have a Mantua 4-6-2 with a Korean boiler and a Bowser tender....very American. :)

I like the modernized front end appearance (relocated headlight and generator, along with front platform and drop coupler pilot). ?I plan on finishing the model to represent the prototype's general configuration in 1947.

Doug Kisala

#4381

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Doug,

If you can find the late production Mantua Pacific drivers, those used in the Model Power days. they were spoked.

Model Power/Mantua is now a part of MRC. Go to

I’d suggest contacting customer service to see if they have parts available for the Mantua Pacific.

John Hagen

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doug Kisala via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 9:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Kitbashed PRR K4s

?

Hello list,

?

You may ask why I would need to kitbash an HO scale PRR K4s 4-6-2 since there have been (amongst others) the Bowser, Bachmann, MTH, and Broadway Limited versions. ?As with many kitbashing questions, the answer is just a skosh complicated. ?

?

I attached a couple of shots of what will become PRR K4s 5455. ?

?

The first prototype photo shows the engine about 1947. ?

?

The second shows the engine probably in the middle of WWII, but shows the main disc-type driver better.?

?

A few years ago I purchased a Bowser "13,000 gallon" tender (really an early 130F82 that can stand in for a 130P75) and a Sunset/Samhongsa PRR K4s boiler from another modeling friend. Initially, I had no idea what I'd do with the pieces. ?Last year, I bought a used Mantua 4-6-2 that had (amongst other cosmetic flaws) a cracked cab. ?I had one remaining Alliance Mantua 4-6-2 reposer kit, so I fit it to the model ?

?

Once I saw photos of K4s 5455 with the main disc-type driver, I thought the Mantua chassis (albeit with all disc-type drivers) could work with the Samhongsa K4s boiler. ?If I can get a supply of more Mantua spoked Pacific drivers, I could get closer to the prototype, but that's not the end of the world for me. ?

?

I test fit the Samhongsa boiler to the Mantua chassis, and after a bit of grinding on the firebox front sheets, the boiler fit nicely onto the chassis. ?I'm still building up a pad of .030 styrene attached to the boiler so that it will eventually sit level on the Mantua chassis.

?

I just got the engine running with a very basic decoder installation. ?So now I have a Mantua 4-6-2 with a Korean boiler and a Bowser tender....very American. :)

?

I like the modernized front end appearance (relocated headlight and generator, along with front platform and drop coupler pilot). ?I plan on finishing the model to represent the prototype's general configuration in 1947.

?

Doug Kisala

#4382

Doug,

? ? ?Love the kit bash! Have you seen the book "Many Faces of the K4?" Pennsy did a dizzying amount of experimenting on their steamers and I think the K4 must have had the more tinkering done to it than any locomotive in history! Drivers often were unmatched...sometimes three different ones... there were the many different tenders, different streamlining mods, valve gear, headlights... all in addition to the progressively modernized standard equipment. Another thing about the K4 is that the Bowser/Penn Line model is of the last run of K4s built in the late 20s. Those locos had a shorter frame than the vast majority of them.. by about 18 inches. I think the Mantua frame is a little longer so it might actually be better for that reason. Anyway, great project!!

Jeff
jppellas@...

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From: Doug Kisala via Groups.Io <dougkisala@...>
To: yardbirdtrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2018 10:41 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Kitbashed PRR K4s

Hello list,

You may ask why I would need to kitbash an HO scale PRR K4s 4-6-2 since there have been (amongst others) the Bowser, Bachmann, MTH, and Broadway Limited versions. ?As with many kitbashing questions, the answer is just a skosh complicated. ?

I attached a couple of shots of what will become PRR K4s 5455. ?

The first prototype photo shows the engine about 1947. ?

The second shows the engine probably in the middle of WWII, but shows the main disc-type driver better.?

A few years ago I purchased a Bowser "13,000 gallon" tender (really an early 130F82 that can stand in for a 130P75) and a Sunset/Samhongsa PRR K4s boiler from another modeling friend. Initially, I had no idea what I'd do with the pieces. ?Last year, I bought a used Mantua 4-6-2 that had (amongst other cosmetic flaws) a cracked cab. ?I had one remaining Alliance Mantua 4-6-2 reposer kit, so I fit it to the model. ?

Once I saw photos of K4s 5455 with the main disc-type driver, I thought the Mantua chassis (albeit with all disc-type drivers) could work with the Samhongsa K4s boiler. ?If I can get a supply of more Mantua spoked Pacific drivers, I could get closer to the prototype, but that's not the end of the world for me. ?

I test fit the Samhongsa boiler to the Mantua chassis, and after a bit of grinding on the firebox front sheets, the boiler fit nicely onto the chassis. ?I'm still building up a pad of .030 styrene attached to the boiler so that it will eventually sit level on the Mantua chassis.

I just got the engine running with a very basic decoder installation. ?So now I have a Mantua 4-6-2 with a Korean boiler and a Bowser tender....very American. :)

I like the modernized front end appearance (relocated headlight and generator, along with front platform and drop coupler pilot). ?I plan on finishing the model to represent the prototype's general configuration in 1947.

Doug Kisala

#4386

Pennroad made many mods , valve gear ?? . B&O did too on their P7 Class . I wanna' see when you get her done !!  Model Power made spoked drivers for their 4-6-2 in the last years ?? Let me in on it if you find a bunch ???  Henry
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On Thu, 9/6/18, Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Kitbashed PRR K4s
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
 Date: Thursday, September 6, 2018, 7:56 PM
 
 Doug,
 Well,
 doesn't every Pennsy modeler need "just one more
 K4s"? lol I think this is a very neat conversion and
 would love to see it when it's
 finished.
 Those
 aren't disk drivers. They are Box Pok.?I'm
 no expert but I don't recall Tyco/Mantua Pacifics having
 the spoked drivers you mentioned. Maybe Bowser K-11 drivers
 might work?
 I
 think you and I are in the minority liking the
 "modernized" front ends. Very interesting
 model!?Roger
 HuberDeer
 Creek Locomotive Works
 
     
   From: Doug Kisala via
 Groups.Io <dougkisala@...>
  To:
 "[email protected]"
 <[email protected]> 
  Sent: Thursday,
 September 6, 2018 9:42 PM
  Subject:
 [YardbirdTrains] Kitbashed PRR K4s
   
 
 
         Hello
 list,
 You
 may ask why I would need to kitbash an HO scale PRR K4s
 4-6-2 since there have been (amongst others) the Bowser,
 Bachmann, MTH, and Broadway Limited versions. ?As with many
 kitbashing questions, the answer is just a skosh
 complicated. ?
 I
 attached a couple of shots of what will become PRR K4s 5455.
 ?k45455.jpg
 The first prototype photo shows the
 engine about 1947. ?
 The
 second shows the engine probably in the middle of WWII, but
 shows the main disc-type driver better.?prr_5455_4-6-2a_ft_dix_nj.jpg
 A
 few years ago I purchased a Bowser "13,000 gallon"
 tender (really an early 130F82 that can stand in for a
 130P75) and a Sunset/Samhongsa PRR K4s boiler from another
 modeling friend. Initially, I had no idea what I'd do
 with the pieces. ?Last year, I bought a used Mantua 4-6-2
 that had (amongst other cosmetic flaws) a cracked cab. ?I
 had one remaining Alliance Mantua 4-6-2 reposer kit, so I
 fit it to the model. ?
 Once
 I saw photos of K4s 5455 with the main disc-type driver, I
 thought the Mantua chassis (albeit with all disc-type
 drivers) could work with the Samhongsa K4s boiler. ?If I
 can get a supply of more Mantua spoked Pacific drivers, I
 could get closer to the prototype, but that's not the
 end of the world for me. ?
 I
 test fit the Samhongsa boiler to the Mantua chassis, and
 after a bit of grinding on the firebox front sheets, the
 boiler fit nicely onto the chassis. ?I'm still building
 up a pad of .030 styrene attached to the boiler so that it
 will eventually sit level on the Mantua chassis.
 I
 just got the engine running with a very basic decoder
 installation. ?So now I have a Mantua 4-6-2 with a Korean
 boiler and a Bowser tender....very American. :)
 I
 like the modernized front end appearance (relocated
 headlight and generator, along with front platform and drop
 coupler pilot). ?I plan on finishing the model to represent
 the prototype's general configuration in
 1947.
 Doug
 Kisala

#4397

If my miserable memory serves me [??] didn't we discuss interchanging Bowser K4 spoke drivers with Mantua boxpoks ? Long before Model Power cast theirs ??? Henry H.