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Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash
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I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc. Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers. Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better. Any opinions of the color? Still have more to do. Bob D. |
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I've seen some color pictures of UP steam locomotives with a lighter grey color painted. Maybe this will help. Donovan From: Rob To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Sun, December 2, 2012 6:55:42 PM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ? I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken. |
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Long95209
Bob ! That's one to kick around , why not Dark Gray , lighter grey , almost chalky on the piping and details ? It's a shame to cover up the details ? Henry H.
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lnnrr
To give the appearance of a black loco and yet light enough to let
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detail show up nicely, I use Rustoleum Automobile Grey Primer. It's flat, durable, weathers easily. Where I am going to add lettering decals, I use Future or some gloss over the primer. Then a coat of DullCoat over decals and weathering. Suits me. Your milage may vary, as the ad says. Chuck Peck --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Rob" <rrdeffinger@...> wrote:
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开云体育Bob, ? Nice work! It really looks great. You’ve done a good job of matching the prototype. ? I’d suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That’ll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. ? John Hagen ? From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM To: yardbirdtrains@... Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ? ? I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken. |
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Long95209
Wow ! Bob , you've done great work here . To say that it's "unusual" would be an understatement ! Great work Bob . Henry H.
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Thanks for the compliments! I did repaint it a?darker green, but not as dark as I first did.? The lighter green looked a little toy like. The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't. I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better. I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.? And then try to install a decoder! Bob D. ? To: yardbirdtrains@... From: sprinthag@... Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600 Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ? Bob, ? Nice work! It really looks great. You’ve done a good job of matching the prototype. ? I’d suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That’ll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. ? John Hagen ? From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM To: yardbirdtrains@... Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ? ? I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken. I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc. Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers. Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better. Any opinions of the color? Still have more to do. Bob D. |
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Hi Bob, While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. ?Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. ?I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green". Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC To: yardbirdtrains@... From: rrdeffinger@... Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:44:06 -0500 Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ?
Thanks for the compliments! I did repaint it a?darker green, but not as dark as I first did.? The lighter green looked a little toy like. The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't. I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better. I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.? And then try to install a decoder! Bob D. ? To: yardbirdtrains@... From: sprinthag@... Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600 Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ? Bob, ? Nice work! It really looks great. You’ve done a good job of matching the prototype. ? I’d suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That’ll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. ? John Hagen ? From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM To: yardbirdtrains@... Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ? ? I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken. I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc. Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers. Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better. Any opinions of the color? Still have more to do. Bob D. |
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Long95209
Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.
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I didn't say that the green used by the Southern looked toy like.? I said the?green I used looked toy like. It was lighter that??Southern Green. I have two Bachmann engines painted Southern green and they are?darker that what I had used. I like basic black too. What black do you use?? Do you have your own mix? Bob D. ? To: yardbirdtrains@... From: long95209@... Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:05:21 +0000 Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ?
Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Victor Bitleris wrote: > > > Hi Bob,While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green". > > Vic Bitleris > Raleigh, NC > > To: yardbirdtrains@... > From: rrdeffinger@... > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:44:06 -0500 > Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the compliments! > I did repaint it a darker green, but not as dark as I first did. The lighter green looked a little toy like. > The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't. > I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better. > I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do. > And then try to install a decoder! > Bob D. > > To: yardbirdtrains@... > From: sprinthag@... > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600 > Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the prototype. I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. John Hagen From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM > To: yardbirdtrains@... > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken. > I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc. > Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers. > Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better. > Any opinions of the color? > Still have more to do. > Bob D. > |
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I've seen other greens used that are almost Shining time station ! The others , who knows . That sure is a busy loco ! Good job Mr. Rob ! Henry H.
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Hi Bob, I don't have a specific formula, maybe I should, but none of my steamers have identical black.? Generally, I used to use Floquil engine black, 75% and reefer white 25%.? This seemed to provide a lighter shade of black that allowed you to see any details.? Lately, I have been using Pollyscale Steam Power black with some Pollyscale Reefer white mixed in, about the same ratio. ? I do plan on adding a touch of Boxcar Red to this mix on the next steamer paint job just to see how it goes. BTW, I really do think that the early light lime green that Southern used would definitely look toy like no matter what you did, unless you added lots of dirty weathering to it.? I cannot get over that when I see the photos.? The only photos I have ever seen were the black and white ones, color was not invented at that time, but you can clearly see that these locomotives were very light.? Here are a couple of examples. Here is one similar to one that I am trying to model, except mine will be black.? This one appears to have a light boiler and dark cab and tender.? Go figure? Regards, Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC To: yardbirdtrains@... From: rrdeffinger@... Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 00:31:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ?
I didn't say that the green used by the Southern looked toy like.? I said the?green I used looked toy like. It was lighter that??Southern Green. I have two Bachmann engines painted Southern green and they are?darker that what I had used. I like basic black too. What black do you use?? Do you have your own mix? Bob D. ? To: yardbirdtrains@... From: long95209@... Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:05:21 +0000 Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ?
Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Victor Bitleris wrote: > > > Hi Bob,While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green". > > Vic Bitleris > Raleigh, NC > > To: yardbirdtrains@... > From: rrdeffinger@... > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:44:06 -0500 > Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the compliments! > I did repaint it a darker green, but not as dark as I first did. The lighter green looked a little toy like. > The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't. > I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better. > I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do. > And then try to install a decoder! > Bob D. > > To: yardbirdtrains@... > From: sprinthag@... > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600 > Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the prototype. I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. John Hagen From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM > To: yardbirdtrains@... > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken. > I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc. > Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers. > Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better. > Any opinions of the color? > Still have more to do. > Bob D. > |
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Couple of things - Be careful about making color judgements based on old photos.? Most pics up through the mid-to late '30's were taken with orthochromatic B&W film.? The film reacts differently to colors than the more modern panchromatic films.? Another thing - It appears from looking at color photos of SR locos that the Apple Green paint tended to oxidize fairly quickly in sunlight and fade to a lighter shade.? Most red paints are the same way.? Compare a fresh "boxcar red" car with one that's been on the road for a year or so.? Ostensibly, the 4501 in the Smithsonian was painted up fresh by SR before it was delivered and should therefore be the "correct" green.? Finally, if your model is going to be seen normally in a typically lit basement, the actual color you paint it should be mixed to give it the appearance you like under those conditions.?
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DM -----Original Message----- From: Victor Bitleris To: yardbirdtrains Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:54 am Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ?
Hi Bob,
I don't have a specific formula, maybe I should, but none of my steamers have identical black.? Generally, I used to use Floquil engine black, 75% and reefer white 25%.? This seemed to provide a lighter shade of black that allowed you to see any details.? Lately, I have been using Pollyscale Steam Power black with some Pollyscale Reefer white mixed in, about the same ratio. ? I do plan on adding a touch of Boxcar Red to this mix on the next steamer paint job just to see how it goes. BTW, I really do think that the early light lime green that Southern used would definitely look toy like no matter what you did, unless you added lots of dirty weathering to it.? I cannot get over that when I see the photos.? The only photos I have ever seen were the black and white ones, color was not invented at that time, but you can clearly see that these locomotives were very light.? Here are a couple of examples. Here is one similar to one that I am trying to model, except mine will be black.? This one appears to have a light boiler and dark cab and tender.? Go figure? Regards, Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC To: yardbirdtrains@... From: rrdeffinger@... Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 00:31:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ? I didn't say that the green used by the Southern looked toy like.? I said the?green I used looked toy like. It was lighter that??Southern Green.
I have two Bachmann engines painted Southern green and they are?darker that what I had used. I like basic black too. What black do you use?? Do you have your own mix? Bob D. ? To: yardbirdtrains@... From: long95209@... Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:05:21 +0000 Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ? Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Victor Bitleris wrote: > > > Hi Bob,While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green". > > Vic Bitleris > Raleigh, NC > > To: yardbirdtrains@... > From: rrdeffinger@... > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:44:06 -0500 > Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the compliments! > I did repaint it a darker green, but not as dark as I first did. The lighter green looked a little toy like. > The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't. > I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better. > I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do. > And then try to install a decoder! > Bob D. > > To: yardbirdtrains@... > From: sprinthag@... > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600 > Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the prototype. I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. John Hagen From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM > To: yardbirdtrains@... > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken. > I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc. > Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers. > Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better. > Any opinions of the color? > Still have more to do. > Bob D. > |
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WOW! I thought the 4501 was still in Chattanooga at TVRM. Perhaps
you meant the 1401 at the Smithsonian? Chuck Peck (who needed a good smile) --- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@... wrote: Ostensibly, the 4501 in the Smithsonian was painted up fresh by SR before it was delivered and should therefore be the "correct" green. Finally, if your model is going to be seen normally in a typically lit basement, the actual color you paint it should be mixed to give it the appearance you like under those conditions.
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Yeah, brain freeze - it's 1401 in the museum.? However, if 4501 is still green like it was in SR fan trip service, it should also be the standard SR green paint.
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DM -----Original Message----- From: lnnrr To: yardbirdtrains Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:38 am Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash ?
WOW! I thought the 4501 was still in Chattanooga at TVRM. Perhaps
you meant the 1401 at the Smithsonian? Chuck Peck (who needed a good smile) --- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@... wrote: > > Ostensibly, the 4501 in the Smithsonian was painted up fresh by SR before it was delivered and should therefore be the "correct" green. Finally, if your model is going to be seen normally in a typically lit basement, the actual color you paint it should be mixed to give it the appearance you like under those conditions. > > DM > > > > |
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