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I have the opportunity to buy a QY300 for a decent price anyone think it's worth the upgrade for 200 bucks??
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I might be wrong but I believe the QY300 is a downgrade because it only has General MIDI (and just 128 instruments).
On the hand, the QY700 is definitely an upgrade on a number of fronts, especially the huge screen.
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Same as Eric: QY700 is the upgrade.
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On Feb 18, 2023, at 8:16 PM, Salvitron <Salvitron3000@...> wrote:
?I have the opportunity to buy a QY300 for a decent price anyone think it's worth the upgrade for 200 bucks??
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In some ways, I’ve read, qu700 isn’t even an upgrade. Because the qy70 has more shortcut commands, it’s easier to get around on it. And also the portability factor.?
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I disagree. You arrive faster to any function on the QY700. Portability is obviously not better.
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On Feb 19, 2023, at 5:37 AM, Ken DiStefano <kendistefano@...> wrote:
?In some ways, I’ve read, qu700 isn’t even an upgrade. Because the qy70 has more shortcut commands, it’s easier to get around on it. And also the portability factor.?
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you could get a RM1x for that, more or less - a different approach, same sort of XG soundset.
have the QY functions on the 70/100, and a more flexible instance with the RM1x - which is a TANK of a console, and something you will power up, power down, multiple times in a day, to add new stuff to, and play around with. after being cramped up-n-focusing, on a little QY, the backlight-ed, ease-of-use, RM1x - with the same jobs list, pretty much, with exceptions, but same sort of idea, and some really nice realtime additions, and interesting possibilities with part lengths - patterns up to 256bars? ...
the 8 midi CC knobs, pre-assigned, can be reassigned to whatever you want. you can mess around with timing - make 'blackMIDI' with it if you want; i have crashed it doing this :D
and you can save it all off to ...floppy.
basically, each style (50 user styles, loads of factory > see below re Phrases - another way to approach QY, more prevalent with rm1x IMO) has 16 Sections, each with 16 tracks/midi channels. (as God intended)
(hope it's ok if i bash out a little piece on this here, offtopic-ish) (but you should get a rm1x if you like qy100/70 is the gist of it, esp' if under radar atm and in fair condition with working buttons; these can have switches replaced/refurbed with standard parts, better than new)
so... you assign 16 sounds to the 16 parts, and go for it. as with QY Songs, each Style is a Mix, with the same programs selected on channels.
there's mute/solo. you could jam out some things with one section of one style, with 16 tracks.
or do a copy to adjacent Section (sections A-P iirc?) and delete/modify/add for a variation - essentially have 16 patterns with the same sound settings, within each style.
but there's a function called 'divide' which splits up Track1 onto tracks 1-8, which is very cool - you can have different kits and mix settings for each track; the split of voices/midi notes is arbitrary, haven't looked closely yet. so that would be tracks 1-8 for rhythm parts - or even melodic voices that you want to split up across midi channels/voices etc. - and then you can do mad things just twisting one of the midiCC gate time or etc. knobs, and record that, into the midifile that will result once exported. (if you're into that kind of thing)
it's more techno/electro etc. than QY? - and IMO much better suited to driving a midi rig for instance. it has local on/off easily accessible per track.
you have the midi keyboard on the In side, addressing whichever part you have selected, and your midi modules on the other - which, with the QY70/100, requires you to insert a sysex message at the top of a Song, and run it, in order to have midi Local on/off per Track in Pattern Mode, and Song Mode. hassle. for this kind of use, i would just not connect the QY audio output, just using it as a sequencer. which is a shame really: why didn't they give a proper channel out onoff?
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Nice selling of the RMX1, however, you forgot to add that you loose the pattern chord track and the real-time transposition. However, the RMX1 ?gains (I think) real-time loop recording! (Please confirm)
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On Feb 19, 2023, at 6:24 AM, QYedit via groups.io <domgoold@...> wrote:
?you could get a RM1x for that, more or less - a different approach, same sort of XG soundset.
have the QY functions on the 70/100, and a more flexible instance with the RM1x - which is a TANK of a console, and something you will power up, power down, multiple times in a day, to add new stuff to, and play around with. after being cramped up-n-focusing, on a little QY, the backlight-ed, ease-of-use, RM1x - with the same jobs list, pretty much, with exceptions, but same sort of idea, and some really nice realtime additions, and interesting possibilities with part lengths - patterns up to 256bars? ...
the 8 midi CC knobs, pre-assigned, can be reassigned to whatever you want. you can mess around with timing - make 'blackMIDI' with it if you want; i have crashed it doing this :D
and you can save it all off to ...floppy.
basically, each style (50 user styles, loads of factory > see below re Phrases - another way to approach QY, more prevalent with rm1x IMO) has 16 Sections, each with 16 tracks/midi channels. (as God intended)
(hope it's ok if i bash out a little piece on this here, offtopic-ish) (but you should get a rm1x if you like qy100/70 is the gist of it, esp' if under radar atm and in fair condition with working buttons; these can have switches replaced/refurbed with standard parts, better than new)
so... you assign 16 sounds to the 16 parts, and go for it. as with QY Songs, each Style is a Mix, with the same programs selected on channels.
there's mute/solo. you could jam out some things with one section of one style, with 16 tracks.
or do a copy to adjacent Section (sections A-P iirc?) and delete/modify/add for a variation - essentially have 16 patterns with the same sound settings, within each style.
but there's a function called 'divide' which splits up Track1 onto tracks 1-8, which is very cool - you can have different kits and mix settings for each track; the split of voices/midi notes is arbitrary, haven't looked closely yet. so that would be tracks 1-8 for rhythm parts - or even melodic voices that you want to split up across midi channels/voices etc. - and then you can do mad things just twisting one of the midiCC gate time or etc. knobs, and record that, into the midifile that will result once exported. (if you're into that kind of thing)
it's more techno/electro etc. than QY? - and IMO much better suited to driving a midi rig for instance. it has local on/off easily accessible per track.
you have the midi keyboard on the In side, addressing whichever part you have selected, and your midi modules on the other - which, with the QY70/100, requires you to insert a sysex message at the top of a Song, and run it, in order to have midi Local on/off per Track in Pattern Mode, and Song Mode. hassle. for this kind of use, i would just not connect the QY audio output, just using it as a sequencer. which is a shame really: why didn't they give a proper channel out onoff?
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a kind of realtime loop recording in step mode. but you don't just toggle play/record without stopping.
there's also a 'grid' mode, TR-ish.
no it doesn't have the chord transpose. rm1x is more of a jamming machine.
but if you already have the little QY you have that covered in some form.
sync them and have a megasequencer ! ...
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Then a replacement or upgrade as such, is limited in the QY category.
I find the QY700 being the easiest to use in the QY family, thanks to the dedicated buttons and big screen, but the QY family limit of no real-time recording is the thing that I miss the most.?
But we have DAWs like LIVE and Logic that allows us to do precisely this real-time, and more.
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On Feb 19, 2023, at 12:45 PM, QYedit via groups.io <domgoold@...> wrote:
?a kind of realtime loop recording in step mode. but you don't just toggle play/record without stopping.
there's also a 'grid' mode, TR-ish.
no it doesn't have the chord transpose. rm1x is more of a jamming machine.
but if you already have the little QY you have that covered in some form.
sync them and have a megasequencer ! ...
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the QY family limit of no real-time recording is the thing that I miss the most.?
I've recorded tracks on my QY100 in realtime before... not very well I'll admit, but the Q100 definitely can record in real time.
Is the QY700 unable to do this?
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By real-time I mean to record in a loop, in any track, without stopping the playback. I can record any track on the QY members, but MUST press ?the stop button after each recording and that stops the sequencer, no matter if it is in pattern or song mode.
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On Feb 19, 2023, at 8:12 PM, Rocky via groups.io <Wsbsub@...> wrote:
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the QY family limit of no real-time recording is the thing that I miss the most.?
I've recorded tracks on my QY100 in realtime before... not very well I'll admit, but the Q100 definitely can record in real time.
Is the QY700 unable to do this?
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Gotcha... I was misunderstanding.. but I see what you mean now.
By the way, the QY700 has caught my attention since this thread mentioned it are there other pros and cons to the QY700 other than already mentioned? As there are owners here who seem familiar with both the QY100 and 700..
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I own both 100 and 700. Mostly use the 700. the workflow on the 700 is faster. I
- some extra jobs on the 100. - Some different midi FX on both. - better midi implementation on the 100 (to remotely control the sequencer) - better internal sounds on the 100 (I don’t use the internal sounds.) - better portability on the 100. - 16 Song tracks, 8 pattern + chord and tempo tracks on the 700.? - 2 midi ins and outs on the 700. - 700 can build muscle memory faster. - Easier to read/navigate screen on the 700.
That out of the top of my head.
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On Feb 19, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Rocky via groups.io <Wsbsub@...> wrote:
?Gotcha... I was misunderstanding.. but I see what you mean now.
By the way, the QY700 has caught my attention since this thread mentioned it are there other pros and cons to the QY700 other than already mentioned? As there are owners here who seem familiar with both the QY100 and 700..
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I am fairly certain the QY70/100 have 16 song and 8 pattern tracks where as the QY700 has 32 song and 16 pattern tracks (48 tracks total)… as well as an extra midi port (or two, I can’t recall).
Another nicety of the QY700 is that individual pattern tracks can have different lengths of patterns and the overall pattern length can be changed anytime (on the QY70/100 you have to pick the pattern length before adding your first pattern track and then it’s not changeable. ?? Piano roll view is really nice on the QY700 as well. Also the QY700 has alot of the clicky tyoes buttons that just feel great and are now found (in a slightly different shape) on alot of Elektron gear. ? The keybed is still silicone membrane but bigger than the QY70/100.
My biggest quibble with the QY700 is that selecting instruments is a bit more of a pain as they separated into banks, but with usage you can eventually remember them fast.
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Oops I just realized that Kaltar already mentioned the extra midi ports.
It’s really cool that you can assign every individual track to a channel on either of the midi ports…both in or out… it also has a really intuitive interface for that. ? Fairly certain that the outs can be routed via the interface to act as “thru” as well (but again I’m not 100% certain..only about 80% certain, lol.).
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Since the RM1X was mentioned, I wanted to point out the the RS7000 is basically an upgraded RM1X with sampling capabilities added. ? It’s quite a bit bigger/heavier but the RM1X often goes for a premium for some reason, so the RS7000 might be a better fit (and more bang for the buck) if size/weight is not an issue.
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Also a couple of the features of the RM1X that were added via firmware require you to buy a new firmware chip and install it… It’s not expensive about $20 or $30 and it’s fairly easy to install since it’s just pulling a chip and placing it in…but I thought it was worth mentioning if you’re looking for an RM1X that you might want to verify which firmware it is running.
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Also a very common mod on the RM1X is that people will change the soft press buttons with more clicky tactile buttons… This is also true of the RS7000 but not done as a mod nearly as often for some reason (at least in my experience). They are all great Yamaha machines the biggest question is finding the one that best suits your needs.
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Fairly certain that the outs can be routed via the interface to act as “thru” as well (but again I’m not 100% certain..only about 80% certain, lol.). Yes they do! and will send any midi in to the port/channel configured as the selected track even on standby.
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Kaltar wrote:
”By real-time I mean to record in a loop, in any track, without stopping the playback. I can record any track on the QY members, but MUST press ?the stop button after each recording and that stops the sequencer, no matter if it is in pattern or song mode.”
Just wanted to point out that ?In pattern mode you can set the pattern length from 1 to eight measures and then Record in overdub mode and it will loop the entire pattern so you can add notes in real time while looping…without stopping… however you are limited to one track at a time. ?
Unfortunately, ?to change tracks do you need to hit stop, change track, and hit record again.
I can’t recall for certain, but I’m *pretty sure* with an external midi controller connected you can actually perform other functions while recording in the above pattern loop/overdub mode… Such as modifying cutoff and resonance on the currently armed track… ?The QY itself doesn’t allow you to do this because it doesn’t let you change screens once you record and you have to start recording in screen one in pattern mode… ?On a side note: ?I *think* this restriction is mainly because there’s not enough processing power to handle the interface at the same time as the instrument recording (without incurring latency) ?… on the other hand, it could be some type of arbitrary limitation (like a lot of manufacturers place on equipment to save features for a theoretical successor product).
In any case, you might even be able to play (affect) some of the other instrument tracks (with midi channel set to all) while recording with an external midi controller but I’m not sure if those would actually get recorded… ?it’s been a while since I hooked up my midi controller to the QY100.
The thing is, for all the power of the QY (which is a ton for such a portable device) there is a even more power/flexibility accessible once an external controller is connected… IMHO, Yamaha XG has always excelled in including a vast MIDI implementation on the QY70/QY100… (heck, they even have a MIDI implementation to allow you to modify the QY70/100 screen display at the pixel level, lol).
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I am fairly certain the QY70/100 have 16 song and 8 pattern tracks where as the QY700 has 32 song and 16 pattern tracks (48 tracks total)… as well as an extra midi port (or two, I can’t recall).
Absolutely true! Thanks for the correction Eric. I meant the 16 + 8 was on the 100, and I listed it as 700.
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my 2c is yes its worth 200 bucks.
I have a yamaha qy300 that I adore. got that for a similar price. worth every penny.
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Eric