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Tony Butler
 

Is anyone programming this for the FS1R?
With 8 operators, 8 formants, envelopes and LFO’s and effects it is a lot
of info for the screen size or are there multiple screens?
It would completely change the value of this amazing FM rack synth it this
were so.

Tony

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Digest #4287
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Hardware programmer for DX7/TX7 <#m_-375511869069317178_1a> by
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Re: Hardware programmer for DX7/TX7 <#m_-375511869069317178_1b> by "Tom
Butcher" tiz9000
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Re: Hardware programmer for DX7/TX7 <#m_-375511869069317178_1c> by
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Re: Hardware programmer for DX7/TX7 <#m_-375511869069317178_1d> by
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:35 am (PDT) . Posted by: martin@...
<martin@...?subject=Re%3A%20Hardware%20programmer%20for%20DX7%2FTX7>
Hi there,


I have put together a programmer that can be used for working with
DX7/TX7.. It was originally designed for Rhodes Chroma, but supporting my
TX7 came to my mind immediately after Chroma started working with it.. The
main idea is to visualize the sound parameters and keep reading all patch /
program changes, so that the information on the LCD is always up to date.


Demo of using it with TX7 can seen at

and info about the project at



I know that some of you might think that this is a promo for my project.
But my main motivation is to hear your feedback and suggestions. My long
term goal is to make it easier to work with patches on classic but
hard-to-program synths and dsps.


Cheers,


Martin




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Hi Martin:

Electra One looks great! One question - does it support downloading the
patch settings from the synth to set the initial values of the patch? I
have a DT7 which is awesome but one drawback is it’s hard to accomplish the
use case of “slightly tweak an existing patch.”

t

On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:47 AM, martin@... [YamahaDX] <
YamahaDX@...> wrote:


Hi there,



I have put together a programmer that can be used for working with
DX7/TX7. It was originally designed for Rhodes Chroma, but supporting my
TX7 came to my mind immediately after Chroma started working with it. The
main idea is to visualize the sound parameters and keep reading all patch /
program changes, so that the information on the LCD is always up to date.



Demo of using it with TX7 can seen at
<
> and info about the project
at

I know that some of you might think that this is a promo for my project.
But my main motivation is to hear your feedback and suggestions. My long
term goal is to make it easier to work with patches on classic but
hard-to-program synths and dsps.



Cheers,



Martin






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Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Martin Pavlas"
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Hi Tom,

yes it does. If you connect both MIDI IN and OUT of your DX7 to Electra it
will communicate with it to keep in sync.

If DX7 is on the list of connected devices (define in Electra’s preset)
Electra will fetch current patch on start up. Same counts for program
changes, whenever you change the program in DX7, Electra will catch that
info and will fetch the patch. Please see this video:


As it has 360 degree pots, it will not then make any abrupt changes in the
sound. It will just start from the point where given parameter value really
is. And they are real potentiometers not encoders.

M

On 12 Sep 2019, at 00:22, Tom Butcher tiz9000@... [YamahaDX] <
YamahaDX@...> wrote:

Hi Martin:


Electra One looks great! One question - does it support downloading the
patch settings from the synth to set the initial values of the patch? I
have a DT7 which is awesome but one drawback is it’s hard to accomplish the
use case of “slightly tweak an existing patch.”

t

On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:47 AM, martin@... <mailto:
martin@...> [YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@... <mailto:
YamahaDX@...>> wrote:


Hi there,



I have put together a programmer that can be used for working with
DX7/TX7. It was originally designed for Rhodes Chroma, but supporting my
TX7 came to my mind immediately after Chroma started working with it. The
main idea is to visualize the sound parameters and keep reading all patch /
program changes, so that the information on the LCD is always up to date.



Demo of using it with TX7 can seen at
<
> and info about the project
at <>

I know that some of you might think that this is a promo for my
project. But my main motivation is to hear your feedback and suggestions.
My long term goal is to make it easier to work with patches on classic but
hard-to-program synths and dsps.



Cheers,



Martin






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Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Nicole Massey"
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Okay, a couple of questions.
Am I reading this right, that it's computer control for patch editing for
DX7/TX7 devices? If so, how blind accessible is it? Meaning, does it use
standard Windows controls to edit, like arrows, tab, home and end, and page
up and down? Add spacebar select to that list. Any keyboard shortcuts or
accelerators?

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:03 PM
To: YamahaDX@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] Hardware programmer for DX7/TX7

Hi Tom,

yes it does. If you connect both MIDI IN and OUT of your DX7 to Electra it
will communicate with it to keep in sync.

If DX7 is on the list of connected devices (define in Electra’s preset)
Electra will fetch current patch on start up. Same counts for program
changes, whenever you change the program in DX7, Electra will catch that
info and will fetch the patch. Please see this video:


As it has 360 degree pots, it will not then make any abrupt changes in the
sound. It will just start from the point where given parameter value really
is. And they are real potentiometers not encoders.

M

On 12 Sep 2019, at 00:22, Tom Butcher tiz9000@... <mailto:
tiz9000@...> [YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@... <mailto:
YamahaDX@...> > wrote:

Hi Martin:

Electra One looks great! One question - does it support downloading the
patch settings from the synth to set the initial values of the patch? I
have a DT7 which is awesome but one drawback is it’s hard to accomplish the
use case of “slightly tweak an existing patch.”

t


On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:47 AM, martin@... <mailto:martin@...>
[YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@... <mailto:YamahaDX@...> >
wrote:

Hi there,




I have put together a programmer that can be used for working with
DX7/TX7. It was originally designed for Rhodes Chroma, but supporting my
TX7 came to my mind immediately after Chroma started working with it. The
main idea is to visualize the sound parameters and keep reading all patch /
program changes, so that the information on the LCD is always up to date.




Demo of using it with TX7 can seen at
<> and info about the project
at




I know that some of you might think that this is a promo for my project.
But my main motivation is to hear your feedback and suggestions. My long
term goal is to make it easier to work with patches on classic but
hard-to-program synths and dsps.




Cheers,




Martin







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It really does look nice.
Are there specific synths it works with?
I have fb01, tx7, and wt11. Ive been using ipad with bluetooth midi to
edit, BUT its a pain in the ass, as turning a knob on the screen makes
changes so fast, that i have to keep turning back and forth in order to get
what i want.
Also, i have to disconnect the bluetooth midi to then put it back into the
chain for actually playing music...
Does it allow for a midi thru, like is one of the outs able to be a midi
thru?
Id love to have something that i can just leave in the chain of devices
and edit when i want to, or play when i want to.
Looks very nice for sure!

On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:29 PM, 'Nicole Massey' nyyki@...
[YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@...> wrote:

Okay, a couple of questions.
Am I reading this right, that it's computer control for patch editing
for DX7/TX7 devices? If so, how blind accessible is it? Meaning, does it
use standard Windows controls to edit, like arrows, tab, home and end, and
page up and down? Add spacebar select to that list. Any keyboard shortcuts
or accelerators?

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:03 PM
To: YamahaDX@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] Hardware programmer for DX7/TX7

Hi Tom,

yes it does. If you connect both MIDI IN and OUT of your DX7 to Electra
it will communicate with it to keep in sync.

If DX7 is on the list of connected devices (define in Electra’s preset)
Electra will fetch current patch on start up. Same counts for program
changes, whenever you change the program in DX7, Electra will catch that
info and will fetch the patch. Please see this video:


As it has 360 degree pots, it will not then make any abrupt changes in
the sound. It will just start from the point where given parameter value
really is. And they are real potentiometers not encoders.

M

On 12 Sep 2019, at 00:22, Tom Butcher tiz9000@... <mailto:
tiz9000@...> [YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@... <mailto:
YamahaDX@...> > wrote:

Hi Martin:

Electra One looks great! One question - does it support downloading the
patch settings from the synth to set the initial values of the patch? I
have a DT7 which is awesome but one drawback is it’s hard to accomplish the
use case of “slightly tweak an existing patch.”

t


On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:47 AM, martin@... <mailto:martin@...>
[YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@... <mailto:YamahaDX@...> >
wrote:

Hi there,




I have put together a programmer that can be used for working with
DX7/TX7. It was originally designed for Rhodes Chroma, but supporting my
TX7 came to my mind immediately after Chroma started working with it. The
main idea is to visualize the sound parameters and keep reading all patch /
program changes, so that the information on the LCD is always up to date.




Demo of using it with TX7 can seen at
<> and info about the project
at




I know that some of you might think that this is a promo for my project.
But my main motivation is to hear your feedback and suggestions. My long
term goal is to make it easier to work with patches on classic but
hard-to-program synths and dsps.




Cheers,




Martin








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It looks like a fun one. Being able to pull up a patch, then seamlessly
start tweaking is an ability that makes all the difference in the world,
but is lacking in most controller / editors.


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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Martin Pavlas"
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sorry I had to get some sleep.

Are there specific synths it works with?
At this moment it works with DX7, Rhodes Chroma, and generally with
Continuous controllers. These were proof of concept synths and also I was
always very frustrated to program them. MIDI CC is a must. But the biggest
programming effort now goes now into something that I call editor for
templated sysex. It is similar to what Novation Zero, and others did, but I
adding functions to work with bits, checksums, nibbles as well as parsing
patch dumps and assign its data back to parameters.. The main idea is that
this editor will be a web application and even people without programming
skills should be able to add support for their synth. Electra uses JSON
file for the definition/description of the Midi implementation - so tech
savvy people can write it without the editor. I really love the idea that
these config files will be shared freely. There is a list of many classic
but knob impaired synths that are already being worked on - 20 electras are
out in hands of testing people. They are adding their gear. Another 20 will
go out in September, but it is strictly for testing. One will go to Dan
Forró from this group :)

I have fb01, tx7, and wt11. Ive been using ipad with bluetooth midi to
edit, BUT its a pain in the ass, as turning a knob on the screen makes
changes so fast, that i have to keep turning back and forth in order to get
what i want.
Also, i have to disconnect the bluetooth midi to then put it back into
the chain for actually playing music…

Yes, this was originally one of the motivations. ipad is a great thing,
but personally it does not work for me when working with synths.

Does it allow for a midi thru, like is one of the outs able to be a midi
thru?

It does have a MIDI thru (forward) between USB MIDI - MIDI ports and MIDI
Host port and - MIDI ports. And it works in both directions. It has
something that I call a MIDI bus, there are two and it always forwards
messages between USB dev port, USB host port, and MIDI DIN ports. There are
two buses in Electra One. Actions made with knobs and with touch are always
merged to the data on the bus. This allows you to control your synth with
knobs, keep it playing a sequence from device connected to USB host port or
USB MIDI port, and record it to your computer in the same time.

Id love to have something that i can just leave in the chain of devices
and edit when i want to, or play when i want to.

Setting up MIDI thru on DIN ports is possible. It is more a question of
making some screen for configuration. The concept described above is very
straightforward and does not need anything special.

Looks very nice for sure!

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:25 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Martin Pavlas"
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Hi Nicole,

it is a standalone device, computer is needed only for editing the presets
and instrument files. Once you have your presets in Electra, it does not
need a computer. You can, however, keep it connected and then it you can
see it what you do - like it can mirror the screen, see
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blind accessibility - the editor would have to be adjusted so that it has
increased accessibility. But that is possible, Electra has sysex
implementation that allows full control. The web editor shown in the video
is only webpage that uses webMIDI in Chrome browser and sends/receives
SysEx midi messages from Electra. full documentation of sysex and JSON
files will be public. So if anybody was willing to work on it, it can be
done. I like the idea, but I have issue with time lately. If you wanted to
discuss that, feel free to contact me.

On 12 Sep 2019, at 01:29, 'Nicole Massey' nyyki@...
[YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@...> wrote:

Okay, a couple of questions.
Am I reading this right, that it's computer control for patch editing
for DX7/TX7 devices? If so, how blind accessible is it? Meaning, does it
use standard Windows controls to edit, like arrows, tab, home and end, and
page up and down? Add spacebar select to that list. Any keyboard shortcuts
or accelerators?
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Hi Tony,

sorry for belated response. I was travelling in the last few days.

electra was given to number of testers who are also programming the presets for various synths. I do not know, however, about anybody who would be working on FS1R. I will take a look at the MIDI implementation to see if there is anything that would prevent it from being supported. Electra has six screen (pages) by default - giving you 216 parameters to be controlled.

Cheers,

Martin



On 12 Sep 2019, at 09:26, Tony Butler tonyvjbutler@... [YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@...> wrote:

Is anyone programming this for the FS1R?
With 8 operators, 8 formants, envelopes and LFO’s and effects it is a lot of info for the screen size or are there multiple screens?
It would completely change the value of this amazing FM rack synth it this were so.

Tony


 

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Hi, Martin,

after the receiving Electra I can work also on the editor for FS1R as I have this module, besides many other instruments :-)

Greetings from Japan!

Daniel Forro



On Sep 17, 2019, at 0:53, Martin Pavlas martin@... [YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@...> wrote:

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Hi Tony,


sorry for belated response. I was travelling in the last few days.

electra was given to number of testers who are also programming the presets for various synths. I do not know, however, about anybody who would be working on FS1R. I will take a look at the MIDI implementation to see if there is anything that would prevent it from being supported. Electra has six screen (pages) by default - giving you 216 parameters to be controlled.

Cheers,

Martin



On 12 Sep 2019, at 09:26, Tony Butler tonyvjbutler@... [YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@...> wrote:

Is anyone programming this for the FS1R?
With 8 operators, 8 formants, envelopes and LFO’s and effects it is a lot of info for the screen size or are there multiple screens?
It would completely change the value of this amazing FM rack synth it this were so.

Tony




 

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That is perfect. I will ship it by the end of September. If you shared your experience with programming and using electra - positive or negative - it would be great.

M


On 17 Sep 2019, at 02:21, danforcz danforcz@... [YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@...> wrote:


Hi, Martin,

after the receiving Electra I can work also on the editor for FS1R as I have this module, besides many other instruments :-)

Greetings from Japan!

Daniel Forro



On Sep 17, 2019, at 0:53, Martin Pavlas?martin@...?[YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@...> wrote:

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Hi Tony,


sorry for belated response. I was travelling in the last few days.

electra was given to number of testers who are also programming the presets for various synths. I do not know, however, about anybody who would be working on FS1R. I will take a look at the MIDI implementation to see if there is anything that would prevent it from being supported. Electra has six screen (pages) by default - giving you 216 parameters to be controlled.

Cheers,

Martin



On 12 Sep 2019, at 09:26, Tony Butler?tonyvjbutler@...?[YamahaDX] <YamahaDX@...> wrote:

Is anyone programming this for the FS1R?
With 8 operators, 8 formants, envelopes and LFO’s and effects it is a lot of info for the screen size or are there multiple screens?
It would completely change the value of this amazing FM rack synth it this were so.

Tony