#20948

Hey, folks.

I'm on the hunt for a breath controller. And they're proving to be elusive.
I've found references to the Yamaha BC1 through BC3, though that was a
single link, but they all seem to be both pricey and also discontinued.

Anyone know where I can find one at a decent price? It doesn't have to be
made by Yamaha, it just has to be able to turn an air stream into CC2 and
plug in using a miniphone connection to my DX7IIFD or K2600XE.

It'd also be nice to know if anyone is still making them. I'm working on a
book on MIDI, and I'd like to be able to point my readers in a good
direction to find one should they want to.

Thanks,
Nicole

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter

#20949

tecontrol.se makes BC3 compatible breath controllers.

On Wed, March 15, 2023 5:03 pm, Nicole Massey wrote:
Hey, folks.

I'm on the hunt for a breath controller. And they're proving to be
elusive.
I've found references to the Yamaha BC1 through BC3, though that was a
single link, but they all seem to be both pricey and also discontinued.

Anyone know where I can find one at a decent price? It doesn't have to be
made by Yamaha, it just has to be able to turn an air stream into CC2 and
plug in using a miniphone connection to my DX7IIFD or K2600XE.

It'd also be nice to know if anyone is still making them. I'm working on a
book on MIDI, and I'd like to be able to point my readers in a good
direction to find one should they want to.

Thanks,
Nicole

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter

daved@...

walter wood

#20950

I have one that I used with a DX-21.?

Walter Wood
Pulaski Tn. 38478

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 07:03:56 PM CDT, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:

Hey, folks.

I'm on the hunt for a breath controller. And they're proving to be elusive.

I've found references to the Yamaha BC1 through BC3, though that was a

single link, but they all seem to be both pricey and also discontinued.

Anyone know where I can find one at a decent price? It doesn't have to be

made by Yamaha, it just has to be able to turn an air stream into CC2 and

plug in using a miniphone connection to my DX7IIFD or K2600XE.

It'd also be nice to know if anyone is still making them. I'm working on a

book on MIDI, and I'd like to be able to point my readers in a good

direction to find one should they want to.

Thanks,

Nicole

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter

#20951

The dx controllers don't produce cc2 directly. They produce a varying voltage, and the dx makes the cc2 from it. I have two of them.?

I have my dx11 on ebay with controller.?

There are other devices making Cc2 but I can't recall the names.?

Lee

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 9:00, walter wood via groups.io
<wwood_38478@...> wrote:

Bruce Wahler

#20952

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MIDI Solutions makes an adapter box called um, the Breath Controller (!) that will accept a BC1-BC3 adapter and produce CC2 -- or any other CC, if the user prefers.

It gets power from the MIDI cable, which is nice.? Unfortunately, it's an older device, and only works reliably with '5V MIDI,' not the 3V ports that most modern music gear have.? MIDI Solutions re-designed some of their most popular boxes to accept 3V, but the Breath Controller never made the cut.

What's 5V MIDI?? Kind of a long story, but the original MIDI standard (1.0) showed a reference circuit that used TTL logic and was powered by 5V.? Manufacturers used the exact circuit, or a very close copy, all through the '80s and early '90s.? It was possible to siphon off a tiny bit of 5V from the circuit to power circuitry.? Later, as electronics moved to lower voltages, manufacturers started to use 3.3V and 3V MIDI designs.? Technically, MIDI doesn't need voltage, just enough current to drive an optocoupler, so these circuits work for MIDI transmission, but can't provide power for boxes that were designed for 5V.? (Sometimes they kind of work, which is it's own set of problems!)

Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008

?

On 3/16/2023 8:44 AM, Lee Borrell via groups.io wrote:

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The dx controllers don't produce cc2 directly. They produce a varying voltage, and the dx makes the cc2 from it. I have two of them.?
I have my dx11 on ebay with controller.?

There are other devices making Cc2 but I can't recall the names.?

Lee

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 9:00, walter wood via groups.io

<wwood_38478@...> wrote:

#20953

Yes, I'm aware of it -- the keyboard makes the CC2 using the breath controller voltages, exactly like how foot controllers and footswitches provide the voltage for whatever they're controlling. Such is the world of peripherals in many cases.
Nicole

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lee Borrell via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 7:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] Breath Controllers

The dx controllers don't produce cc2 directly. They produce a varying voltage, and the dx makes the cc2 from it. I have two of them. 
I have my dx11 on ebay with controller. 
There are other devices making Cc2 but I can't recall the names. 

Lee

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	On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 9:00, walter wood via groups.io
	<wwood_38478@...> wrote:

#20954

That's either the Anatek box or a close design to it. Anatek also made a bright red box that added power to a MIDI line to feed their boxes if someone had several of them in a single line. MIDI Solutions might have something like that as well.

I still use their Pocket Thru and Pocket Merge boxes, and for a while I had a Pocket Pedal too, which was way nice. I wish they had a Pocket Pot or Pocket Fader in their line.
Nicole

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Wahler via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 8:09 AM
To: [email protected]; templarser@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] Breath Controllers

MIDI Solutions makes an adapter box called um, the Breath Controller (!) that will accept a BC1-BC3 adapter and produce CC2 -- or any other CC, if the user prefers.

It gets power from the MIDI cable, which is nice.  Unfortunately, it's an older device, and only works reliably with '5V MIDI,' not the 3V ports that most modern music gear have.  MIDI Solutions re-designed some of their most popular boxes to accept 3V, but the Breath Controller never made the cut.

What's 5V MIDI?  Kind of a long story, but the original MIDI standard (1.0) showed a reference circuit that used TTL logic and was powered by 5V.  Manufacturers used the exact circuit, or a very close copy, all through the '80s and early '90s.  It was possible to siphon off a tiny bit of 5V from the circuit to power circuitry.  Later, as electronics moved to lower voltages, manufacturers started to use 3.3V and 3V MIDI designs.  Technically, MIDI doesn't need voltage, just enough current to drive an optocoupler, so these circuits work for MIDI transmission, but can't provide power for boxes that were designed for 5V.  (Sometimes they kind of work, which is it's own set of problems!)

Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@... <mailto:bw@...> 

978.597.7008

On 3/16/2023 8:44 AM, Lee Borrell via groups.io wrote:

	The dx controllers don't produce cc2 directly. They produce a varying voltage, and the dx makes the cc2 from it. I have two of them.  
	I have my dx11 on ebay with controller. 
	There are other devices making Cc2 but I can't recall the names. 

	Lee

		On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 9:00, walter wood via groups.io
		<wwood_38478@...> <mailto:wwood_38478@...>  wrote: