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Hey guys im an owner of DX27s - and i remember that some years ago i found an info on LFO speed on DX synths converted to BPM (aproximate) - does anybody knows them or have that info? after owning good old dx27 for years recently i diged it out of my bassement, fixed my broken data entry slider with contact spray cleaner and started programming it again -?and found a great way to control FM modulation ammount with mod wheel - realy fun!! here how it goes set LFO to triangle set lfo speed to 0?with keysync on?(LFO will never start modulating) switch off pitch modulation and add max on amplitude modulation and AM sensitivity now switch on AMD just to modulators (not to carriers) what happens is when you have mod wheel down you have full modulation and if you push mod wheel 100% up you have just a sine wave(s) - and everything in the middle :) realy handy for applaying fm with modwheel.? hope i was clear with explenation - if somebody wants i can upload some sysex with examples anyways i wanted to share my recent work - not made on a dx, but still pure 4op fm made with my own vst plugin
its quite experimental so beware :) best from germany nikola
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Interesting ! Also note that with midi ox any controller can be mapped to any other,so you can take mod wheel and turn it into breath control and feed it back to midi in thereby getting mod wheel control of bc . I think a hardware mod exists for this too. But I like your use of the internal structure of the DX to do this!
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Hey guys im an owner of DX27s - and i remember that some years ago i found an info on LFO speed on DX synths converted to BPM (aproximate) - does anybody knows them or have that info? after owning good old dx27 for years recently i diged it out of my bassement, fixed my broken data entry slider with contact spray cleaner and started programming it again -?and found a great way to control FM modulation ammount with mod wheel - realy fun!! here how it goes set LFO to triangle set lfo speed to 0?with keysync on?(LFO will never start modulating) switch off pitch modulation and add max on amplitude modulation and AM sensitivity now switch on AMD just to modulators (not to carriers) what happens is when you have mod wheel down you have full modulation and if you push mod wheel 100% up you have just a sine wave(s) - and everything in the middle :) realy handy for applaying fm with modwheel.? hope i was clear with explenation - if somebody wants i can upload some sysex with examples anyways i wanted to share my recent work - not made on a dx, but still pure 4op fm made with my own vst plugin
its quite experimental so beware :) best from germany nikola
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2013, njeremic@... wrote: Hey guys
im an owner of DX27s - and i remember that some years ago i found an info on LFO speed on DX synths converted to BPM (aproximate) - does anybody knows them or have
that info? I have several tables with the relation between LFO speed (sysex value) and LFO speed in Hz that I used for calculations needed in DXconvert/TXconvert. The tables were created using existing information, and my own (and Paul Deco's !) measurements. It would be quite easy to write a little script that converts the Hz tables to BPM tables. DX7, FB01, and other 4OP FM synths (like the DX27 and others) use different tables. If you give me some time I will produce a table with LFO speed / BPM relationships for all these synths. I will upload the result in this group. Especially the FB01 has a really EXTREME lfo speed range ... -- MT
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hey Martin thats great! i could do just fine also with Hz values - i can convert them myself - thats quite easy but if you have some time it would be even better if you have it allready somewhere done! thanx a lot niko ? njeremic.ecobytes.net
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Von: Martin Tarenskeen
An: YamahaDX@...
Gesendet: 20:11 Sonntag, 8.Dezember 2013
Betreff: Re: [YamahaDX] LFO Speed in BPM and some LFO tricks
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2013, njeremic@... wrote:
> Hey guys
>
> im an owner of DX27s - and i remember that some years ago i found an info on LFO speed on DX synths converted to BPM (aproximate) - does anybody knows them or have
> that info?
I have several tables with the relation between LFO speed (sysex value)
and LFO speed in Hz that I used for calculations needed in
DXconvert/TXconvert. The tables were created using existing information,
and my own (and Paul Deco's !) measurements. It would be quite easy to
write a little script that converts the Hz tables to BPM tables.
DX7, FB01, and other 4OP FM synths (like the DX27 and others) use
different tables.
If you give me some time I will produce a table with LFO speed / BPM
relationships for all these synths. I will upload the result in this
group.
Especially the FB01 has a really EXTREME lfo speed range ...
--
MT
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Hi, Nikola, guten Tag,
That's good idea, just some points to consider:
In fact the setting speed to the value 0 doesn't mean that LFO doesn't make modulation. On DX27S, according to its Owner's Manual, minimum modulation speed is 0.0008 Hz. So there's always some movement but very slow. Same is true for DX100.?DX21 has 0.06 Hz, DX11 0.001 Hz.
I'm not sure if this idea can be applied to DX7 successfully, for example minimum modulation speed on DX7 II D is 0.01 Hz (one period in ten seconds).?
And if you mean that LFO will never start modulating because of key sync set to On, that's not exactly how it is. LFO will start modulation when the key is pressed.
Daniel Forro
after owning good old dx27 for years recently i diged it out of my bassement, fixed my broken data entry slider with contact spray cleaner and started programming it again -?and found a great way to control FM modulation ammount with mod wheel - realy fun!! here how it goes set LFO to triangle set lfo speed to 0?with keysync on?(LFO will never start modulating) switch off pitch modulation and add max on amplitude modulation and AM sensitivity now switch on AMD just to modulators (not to carriers) what happens is when you have mod wheel down you have full modulation and if you push mod wheel 100% up you have just a sine wave(s) - and everything in the middle :) realy handy for applaying fm with modwheel.? hope i was clear with explenation - if somebody wants i can upload some sysex with examples anyways i wanted to share my recent work - not made on a dx, but still pure 4op fm made with my own vst plugin
its quite experimental so beware :) best from germany nikola
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Hallo, Nikola, dobar dan,
thanks for the link to your music. I'm happy to find here in the group another experimental music composer (you can hear some of my works at , your bio and activities are impressive, too. I'm quite sure you have a great talent, creativity and imagination!?
I have listened to your Studies carefully, and can say only compliments! It's just unbelievable what you could do with 4OP FM synth only. Really good stuff! You have created an impressive sound world of beauty, not for common man's taste, but I understand well and appreciate it. It could be used for sci-fi horror film :-)?If you are my student, you would have the highest marks!
How much the real time improvisation with sounds was used, and how much is it a result of mixing and digital post processing in computer? I'd suppose it's mainly post-processed audio multitrack record, not MIDI sequencer - anyway your instrument hasn't multimode... Which software have you used, was it MAX-MSP as well? Which audio plugins (especially reverb)?
It's quite pure work with only one synthesizer, and you even decided to use only certain types of sounds - inharmonic, clangorous or noisy spectra, and some simple sine or harmonic sounds for tonal structures. That's admirable. Especially the fact that your music is definitely NOT boring despite all that minimalism approach, low density of information, lot of emptiness, absence of regular rhythm...
Also it's interesting you didn't use pitch bend, vibrato, tremolo or timbre periodic LFO modulation, only a little bit in Study Nr. 8 before the end. Only detuning and chorusing effect in Nr. 9...
Your work with different kind of timbral and time modulation sources and depth, ?and with gating is pretty interesting.
Just few impressions I had from the first listening:
Nr. 1 - nice work with reverb
Nr. 2 - good idea about the gradual disintegration and damage of music by noises
Nr. 3 - nice pointillistic texture
Nr. 4 - nice expression of emptiness, not at all boring, also climax before the end is well done
Nr. 5 - minimalism pleasant tonal ostinato in one layer attacked by the contrasting structures prevailing in the end. Like the fight of good and evil, little bit similar in this to Nr. 2. Good for meditation - I have completely lost the feeling of time during the listening.?
Nr. 6 - cutted noises are interesting, change to tones after 3:45 nice
Nr. 7 - is sustained chord just an audio loop or is it played on the instrument in real time? Not so easy to judge. Gating effects after 6:00 are interesting, especially when connected with all that work with the reverb...
Nr. 8 - similar in basic form and principle of contrast to Nr. 5. Nice sustained chords after 3:45 reminding me Japanese mouth reed organ sho (Chinese sheng). Climax after 6:40 is just great with those detuned and chorused chords, and contrast after 7:24.
Nr. 9 - very nice, especially when sustained chords after 2:50 start. Did you make them by keeping the keys pressed or by programming long release time in the envelope? There's also beautiful beating effect near the end...
I'm sure I will listen to it more often, and will check your other works. ?
How about using the microtonality, have you ever tried it? It would add to your music quite new dimension.
You could be successful in some experimental electronic music competitions, have you tried to enter some? I know it's not so important, but if I'm judge in such competition (which I'm not) you would have a chance to win...
I'd like to try your sounds in my TX81z. All those inharmonic, clangorous and noisy spectra are good for experimental electronic stuff I do as well. I'm sure there's not much people who will like them or even want to use :-) I can be wrong.
Thanks in advance for sending some SysEx files...
Alles Gute, sve najbolje!
MfG
Daniel Forro
hope i was clear with explenation - if somebody wants i can upload some sysex with examples anyways i wanted to share my recent work - not made on a dx, but still pure 4op fm made with my own vst plugin
its quite experimental so beware :) best from germany nikola
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Found your Presonus page, is this what you use?
And now I see you have used your own FM vst plugin for your Studies... So I suppose it's not possible to convert sounds you have used to Yamaha 4OP synths.
Daniel Forro
Hey guys
im an owner of DX27s - and i remember that some years ago i found an info on LFO speed on DX synths converted to BPM (aproximate) - does anybody knows them or have that info? after owning good old dx27 for years recently i diged it out of my bassement, fixed my broken data entry slider with contact spray cleaner and started programming it again -?and found a great way to control FM modulation ammount with mod wheel - realy fun!! here how it goes set LFO to triangle set lfo speed to 0?with keysync on?(LFO will never start modulating) switch off pitch modulation and add max on amplitude modulation and AM sensitivity now switch on AMD just to modulators (not to carriers) what happens is when you have mod wheel down you have full modulation and if you push mod wheel 100% up you have just a sine wave(s) - and everything in the middle :) realy handy for applaying fm with modwheel.? hope i was clear with explenation - if somebody wants i can upload some sysex with examples anyways i wanted to share my recent work - not made on a dx, but still pure 4op fm made with my own vst plugin
its quite experimental so beware :) best from germany nikola
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I tried it on the DX100 -worked superbly!
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Excellent stuff.
From: Daniel Forró
To: YamahaDX@...
Sent: Monday, 9 December 2013, 2:41
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] LFO Speed in BPM and some LFO tricks
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Hi, Nikola, guten Tag,
That's good idea, just some points to consider:
In fact the setting speed to the value 0 doesn't mean that LFO doesn't make modulation. On DX27S, according to its Owner's Manual, minimum modulation speed is 0.0008 Hz. So there's always some movement but very slow. Same is true for DX100.?DX21 has 0.06 Hz, DX11 0.001 Hz.
I'm not sure if this idea can be applied to DX7 successfully, for example minimum modulation speed on DX7 II D is 0.01 Hz (one period in ten seconds).?
And if you mean that LFO will never start modulating because of key sync set to On, that's not exactly how it is. LFO will start modulation when the key is pressed.
Daniel Forro
after owning good old dx27 for years recently i diged it out of my bassement, fixed my broken data entry slider with contact spray cleaner and started programming it again -?and found a great way to control FM modulation ammount with mod wheel - realy fun!!
here how it goes
set LFO to triangle
set lfo speed to 0?with keysync on?(LFO will never start modulating)
switch off pitch modulation and add max on amplitude modulation and AM sensitivity
now switch on AMD just to modulators (not to carriers)
what happens is when you have mod wheel down you have full modulation and if you push mod wheel 100% up you have just a sine wave(s) - and everything in the middle :) realy handy for applaying fm with modwheel.?
hope i was clear with explenation - if somebody wants i can upload some sysex with examples
anyways i wanted to share my recent work - not made on a dx, but still pure 4op fm made with my own vst plugin
its quite experimental so beware :)
best from germany
nikola
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On the subjof Microtonality - my brother is well into this - he uses a Proteus 2000 - and is making an editor for the microtone maps - he thinks it should also work with the Dx11,but we have not tested it yet.
He was only saying last night that he had discovered two? F#s that exist between the normal ones - and in some chords they create a different texture in the harmony - I have not heard them of course so cannot testify.
?
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LEE
From: Daniel Forró
To: YamahaDX@...
Sent: Monday, 9 December 2013, 3:43
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] LFO Speed in BPM and some LFO tricks
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Hallo, Nikola, dobar dan,
thanks for the link to your music. I'm happy to find here in the group another experimental music composer (you can hear some of my works at , your bio and activities are impressive, too. I'm quite sure you have a great talent, creativity and imagination!?
I have listened to your Studies carefully, and can say only compliments! It's just unbelievable what you could do with 4OP FM synth only. Really good stuff! You have created an impressive sound world of beauty, not for common man's taste, but I understand well and appreciate it. It could be used for sci-fi horror film :-)?If you are my student, you would have the highest marks!
How much the real time improvisation with sounds was used, and how much is it a result of mixing and digital post processing in computer? I'd suppose it's mainly post-processed audio multitrack record, not MIDI sequencer - anyway your instrument hasn't multimode... Which software have you used, was it MAX-MSP as well? Which audio plugins (especially reverb)?
It's quite pure work with only one synthesizer, and you even decided to use only certain types of sounds - inharmonic, clangorous or noisy spectra, and some simple sine or harmonic sounds for tonal structures. That's admirable. Especially the fact that your music is definitely NOT boring despite all that minimalism approach, low density of information, lot of emptiness, absence of regular rhythm...
Also it's interesting you didn't use pitch bend, vibrato, tremolo or timbre periodic LFO modulation, only a little bit in Study Nr. 8 before the end. Only detuning and chorusing effect in Nr. 9...
Your work with different kind of timbral and time modulation sources and depth, ?and with gating is pretty interesting.
Just few impressions I had from the first listening:
Nr. 1 - nice work with reverb
Nr. 2 - good idea about the gradual disintegration and damage of music by noises
Nr. 3 - nice pointillistic texture
Nr. 4 - nice expression of emptiness, not at all boring, also climax before the end is well done
Nr. 5 - minimalism pleasant tonal ostinato in one layer attacked by the contrasting structures prevailing in the end. Like the fight of good and evil, little bit similar in this to Nr. 2. Good for meditation - I have completely lost the feeling of time during the listening.?
Nr. 6 - cutted noises are interesting, change to tones after 3:45 nice
Nr. 7 - is sustained chord just an audio loop or is it played on the instrument in real time? Not so easy to judge. Gating effects after 6:00 are interesting, especially when connected with all that work with the reverb...
Nr. 8 - similar in basic form and principle of contrast to Nr. 5. Nice sustained chords after 3:45 reminding me Japanese mouth reed organ sho (Chinese sheng). Climax after 6:40 is just great with those detuned and chorused chords, and contrast after 7:24.
Nr. 9 - very nice, especially when sustained chords after 2:50 start. Did you make them by keeping the keys pressed or by programming long release time in the envelope? There's also beautiful beating effect near the end...
I'm sure I will listen to it more often, and will check your other works. ?
How about using the microtonality, have you ever tried it? It would add to your music quite new dimension.
You could be successful in some experimental electronic music competitions, have you tried to enter some? I know it's not so important, but if I'm judge in such competition (which I'm not) you would have a chance to win...
I'd like to try your sounds in my TX81z. All those inharmonic, clangorous and noisy spectra are good for experimental electronic stuff I do as well. I'm sure there's not much people who will like them or even want to use :-) I can be wrong.
Thanks in advance for sending some SysEx files...
Alles Gute, sve najbolje!
MfG
Daniel Forro
hope i was clear with explenation - if somebody wants i can upload some sysex with examples
anyways i wanted to share my recent work - not made on a dx, but still pure 4op fm made with my own vst plugin
its quite experimental so beware :)
best from germany
nikola
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Hey Daniel
Than you so much for your feedback - you made my day realy nice :)
well to answer all your questions - it is 95% improvisation with one instance of my plugin - i will upload windows vst so you can try it out. its a simple 4op fm with delay witch i use as a looper and a Freeverb+filter reverb module - all made with synthedit - i do also use Puredata a lot but studies for fm synth are just one vst plugin - i like minimal approach as you noticed :). i improvised a lots of pieces and just compiled best ones - with very bit of editing/cutting out bad parts and mastering it. i lay out controls of my synth to a midi controler so i have bunch of knob to play with :) very happy you liked it
in my studies time i tried some microtonality stuff (also with my acoustic compositions) but lately im doing a lots of synths programming. since im done with the uni im not s much in academic circles so i dont follow where are the competitions... in? the past i did send some of my works here and there and got some good feedback - but as you know its not so important :)
i will also upload later a sysex with my dx27 sounds - there are some simmilar stuff there - so you can try them out - but since i lay out lots of controls on real knobs/sliders its difficult to get that variety on a real dx synth? (we are all waiting for a new yamaha fm synth with lots of knobs and better programming interface but.. maybe yamaha pays us here to design new one one day - that would be cool :)
about LFO modulation trick i was writing about - i know, you are right there- modulation is happening, but VERY slow. with such a speed (0,0008hz) and keysync in reality you can ignore it becose i will press a next key and reset it to 0 again. i guess i does not work that well on other dx synths with faster 0 LFO times
i will check your music and profile later today - im very courious!
i write later
best
nikola
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Hi, Nikola,
thanks for your answer, it's really interesting.
I only regret I'm on Mac so probably I can't try your excellent plugin.
Even during listening of your music I thought a lot about the way how you could get such great results, and I think it's probably not possible with real Yamaha hardware synths. Even with complex SysEx control many things you did are just not possible. And now you say it's only one instance, that's really great. I suppose that all those almost analog, smooth continuous changes in operator's frequency or level, done on sustained tones, are not possible on hardware FM synths which need key retriggering to hear the parameter change. ?You know well about it. Maybe I'm wrong but it looks like your FM plugin is more flexible concerning this. Also its sound is very pleasant and clean, even mellow, without usual FM harshness, reflecting sidebands, intermodulation distortion or quantization noise... But this you could do by filtering during mastering.
Concerning competitions, forget about it, it's loss of time. I was part of academic world for years, but frankly said I'm happy I'm not more in for last ten years. It was too narrow minded and limited... nothing for me, and I think, you too. Our music world is bigger. As I have seen you did also lot of stuff in different music styles.
DX27 data could be useful for me, it should be possible to load them in TX81z.
Your LFO trick is quite good, you are right, modulation is there but very slow and starts again after retriggering. DX7 has faster LFO, that's a pity.
Have a nice day!
Daniel F
Hey Daniel
Than you so much for your feedback - you made my day realy nice :)
well to answer all your questions - it is 95% improvisation with one instance of my plugin - i will upload windows vst so you can try it out. its a simple 4op fm with delay witch i use as a looper and a Freeverb+filter reverb module - all made with synthedit - i do also use Puredata a lot but studies for fm synth are just one vst plugin - i like minimal approach as you noticed :). i improvised a lots of pieces and just compiled best ones - with very bit of editing/cutting out bad parts and mastering it. i lay out controls of my synth to a midi controler so i have bunch of knob to play with :) very happy you liked it
in my studies time i tried some microtonality stuff (also with my acoustic compositions) but lately im doing a lots of synths programming. since im done with the uni im not s much in academic circles so i dont follow where are the competitions... in? the past i did send some of my works here and there and got some good feedback - but as you know its not so important :)
i will also upload later a sysex with my dx27 sounds - there are some simmilar stuff there - so you can try them out - but since i lay out lots of controls on real knobs/sliders its difficult to get that variety on a real dx synth? (we are all waiting for a new yamaha fm synth with lots of knobs and better programming interface but.. maybe yamaha pays us here to design new one one day - that would be cool :)
about LFO modulation trick i was writing about - i know, you are right there- modulation is happening, but VERY slow. with such a speed (0,0008hz) and keysync in reality you can ignore it becose i will press a next key and reset it to 0 again. i guess i does not work that well on other dx synths with faster 0 LFO times
i will check your music and profile later today - im very courious!
i write later
best
nikola?
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Hello Nikola
im an owner of DX27s - and i remember that some years ago i found an info on LFO speed on DX synths converted to BPM (aproximate) - does anybody knows them or have that info?
I would guess that 120 bpm would be equivalent to 2 Hz.?
set LFO to triangle set lfo speed to 0?with keysync on?(LFO will never start modulating) switch off pitch modulation and add max on amplitude modulation and AM sensitivity now switch on AMD just to modulators (not to carriers) what happens is when you have mod wheel down you have full modulation and if you push mod wheel 100% up you have just a sine wave(s) - and everything in the middle :) realy handy for applaying fm with modwheel.? hope i was clear with explenation - if somebody wants i can upload some sysex with examples anyways i wanted to share my recent work - not made on a dx, but still pure 4op fm made with my own vst plugin
Wow, you have very interesting ideas using just a 4OP synth.
Is your vst available for a purchase download ? or is it available for testing ? :-)
I only regret I'm on Mac so probably I can't try your excellent plugin.
Daniel, VSTs can be loaded in Cubase and perhaps also Presonus Studio One running on an Apple Mac.
Regards,? Eb
On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:36 PM, Eb Mayat wrote:
Hello Nikola
On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:46 AM, Daniel Forró wrote:
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Hi, Nikola,
thanks for your answer, it's really interesting.
I only regret I'm on Mac so probably I can't try your excellent plugin.
Even during listening of your music I thought a lot about the way how you could get such great results, and I think it's probably not possible with real Yamaha hardware synths. Even with complex SysEx control many things you did are just not possible. And now you say it's only one instance, that's really great. I suppose that all those almost analog, smooth continuous changes in operator's frequency or level, done on sustained tones, are not possible on hardware FM synths which need key retriggering to hear the parameter change. ?You know well about it. Maybe I'm wrong but it looks like your FM plugin is more flexible concerning this. Also its sound is very pleasant and clean,
even mellow, without usual FM harshness, reflecting sidebands, intermodulation distortion or quantization noise... But this you could do by filtering during mastering.
Concerning competitions, forget about it, it's loss of time. I was part of academic world for years, but frankly said I'm happy I'm not more in for last ten years. It was too narrow minded and limited... nothing for me, and I think, you too. Our music world is bigger. As I have seen you did also lot of stuff in different music styles.
DX27 data could be useful for me, it should be possible to load them in TX81z.
Your LFO trick is quite good, you are right, modulation is there but very slow and starts again after retriggering. DX7 has faster LFO, that's a pity.
Have a nice day!
Daniel F
Hey Daniel
Than you so much for your feedback -
you made my day realy nice :)
well to answer all your questions - it is 95% improvisation with one instance of my plugin - i will upload windows vst so you can try it out. its a simple 4op fm with delay witch i use as a looper and a Freeverb+filter reverb module - all made with synthedit - i do also use Puredata a lot but studies for fm synth are just one vst plugin - i like minimal approach as you noticed :). i improvised a lots of pieces and just compiled best ones - with very bit of editing/cutting out bad parts and mastering it. i lay out controls of my synth to a midi controler so i have bunch of knob to play with :) very happy you liked it
in my studies time i tried some microtonality stuff (also with my acoustic compositions) but lately im doing a lots of synths programming. since im done with the uni im not s much in academic circles so i dont follow where are the competitions... in? the past
i did send some of my works here
and there and got some good feedback - but as you know its not so important :)
i will also upload later a sysex with my dx27 sounds - there are some simmilar stuff there - so you can try them out - but since i lay out lots of controls on real knobs/sliders its difficult to get that variety on a real dx synth? (we are all waiting for a new yamaha fm synth with lots of knobs and better programming interface but.. maybe yamaha pays us here to design new one one day - that would be cool :)
about LFO modulation trick i was writing about - i know, you are right there- modulation is happening, but VERY slow. with such a speed (0,0008hz) and keysync in reality you can ignore it becose i will press a next key and reset it to 0 again. i guess i does not work that well on other dx synths with faster 0 LFO times
i will check your music and profile later today -
im very courious!
i write later
best
nikola?
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Hey all again here is the windows vst plugin - in two versions one has a funny feedback-chain between reverb and delay so take care!! on the version 11 i removed this? also no docs - so you have to figure it out how it works this is made just for my private use (and for the album i made) so use at your own risk :)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B74jIqd_amgYN3Y3dDJCcDJ3Yzg/edit?usp=sharing
some hints (from what i remember) fm feedback loop is on operator 1 :) operators are not realy operators becose there is no envelope - i use simple modulation slider and play it with my midi keyboard knobs (so i can create complex envelope with a knob) its not easy to make harmonic sounds - that was intended - and pitch sliders go way down to lfo range there is a filter! (i always missed that on an yamha fm (cant wait to get sy/tg77) i use delay as a looper -?again - take care on that feedback between reverb and delay - it can kill you speakers and pets :)
i cant find sysex for dx27 - but ill do a dump tomorrow and upload it and thanx again to everybody for your feedback about my work! best n.
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Hi, Eb,
I think that the most practical table should have the value of instrument setting, value in Hz and maybe additionally value in BPM (which can be easily derived from Hz).? The last one is not so important to me, I don't need synced modulations for my music. Besides different values can be used for the same tempo in dependance which rhythmic density we want to get - so 30, 60, 120 or 240 is same tempo, just different density. With some simple math it's easy to obtain triplets, quintuplets, sextuplets...
I suppose values will be different for different Yamaha synths, as almost each of them has different minimal value... It's also quite expectable that we'll get only some tempo values, not all values continuously.
I know something about VST plugins and use some but I always thought they are special Mac versions. When Nikola emphasizes?his plugin is for Windows I'm not sure if it can work on Mac.
I haven't Cubase nor Studio One, only MOTU Digital Performer V5 under OSX which I don't use. To be able to use old Korg cards Oasys PCI and 1212 I/O I still keep old PPC G4 machines and use OS9 for most of my music software (I like a lot the old sequencer Opcode Studio Vision Pro). I can boot only OSX 10.5.8, so I can't use lot of new programs.?
Daniel Forro
On 10 Dec, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Eb Mayat wrote:
I would guess that 120 bpm would be equivalent to 2 Hz.?
I only regret I'm on Mac so probably I can't try your excellent plugin.
Daniel, VSTs can be loaded in Cubase and perhaps also Presonus Studio One running on an Apple Mac.
Regards,? Eb
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where do you learn such technics ?
most of us stumble upon stuff like this and never cleverily
take note.... like you have
thanks
any other tricks at hand?
charlie
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----- Original Message ----- From: <njeremic@...> To: <YamahaDX@...> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] LFO Speed in BPM and some LFO tricks Hey Daniel
Than you so much for your feedback - you made my day realy nice :)
well to answer all your questions - it is 95% improvisation with one instance of my plugin - i will upload windows vst so you can try it out. its a simple 4op fm with delay witch i use as a looper and a Freeverb+filter reverb module - all made with synthedit - i do also use Puredata a lot but studies for fm synth are just one vst plugin - i like minimal approach as you noticed :). i improvised a lots of pieces and just compiled best ones - with very bit of editing/cutting out bad parts and mastering it. i lay out controls of my synth to a midi controler so i have bunch of knob to play with :) very happy you liked it
in my studies time i tried some microtonality stuff (also with my acoustic compositions) but lately im doing a lots of synths programming. since im done with the uni im not s much in academic circles so i dont follow where are the competitions... in the past i did send some of my works here and there and got some good feedback - but as you know its not so important :)
i will also upload later a sysex with my dx27 sounds - there are some simmilar stuff there - so you can try them out - but since i lay out lots of controls on real knobs/sliders its difficult to get that variety on a real dx synth (we are all waiting for a new yamaha fm synth with lots of knobs and better programming interface but.. maybe yamaha pays us here to design new one one day - that would be cool :)
about LFO modulation trick i was writing about - i know, you are right there- modulation is happening, but VERY slow. with such a speed (0,0008hz) and keysync in reality you can ignore it becose i will press a next key and reset it to 0 again. i guess i does not work that well on other dx synths with faster 0 LFO times
i will check your music and profile later today - im very courious!
i write later
best
nikola
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2013, Daniel Forró wrote: I think that the most practical table should have the value of
instrumentsetting, value in Hz and maybe additionally value in BPM
(which can be easily derived from > Hz).? Hi, I have attached a table with a lot of numbers: LFO Speed Parameter values and corresponding Hz values for DX7, DX11, and FB01 that I have used in DX/TXconvert. To get BPM values multiply with 60. The numbers are not neccesarily 100% accurate, but I hope they can be useful anyway. DX27 values might be slightly different from the DX11 values in the table. I can try with my DX100 one of these days, should be identical to DX27. It's a raw txt file with Unix line-endings. A nicely formatted Excel op PDF sheet coming later ... -- MT
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Hello Daniel
Hi, Eb,
I think that the most practical table should have the value of instrument setting, value in Hz and maybe additionally value in BPM (which can be easily derived from Hz).? The last one is not so important to me, I don't need synced modulations for my music. Besides different values can be used for the same tempo in dependance which rhythmic density we want to get - so 30, 60, 120 or 240 is same tempo, just different density. With some simple math it's easy to obtain triplets,
quintuplets, sextuplets...
Absolutely correct!?
I know something about VST plugins and use some but I always thought they are special Mac versions. When Nikola emphasizes?his plugin is for Windows I'm not sure if it can work on
Mac.
I haven't Cubase nor Studio One, only MOTU Digital Performer V5 under OSX which I don't use. To be able to use old Korg cards Oasys PCI and 1212 I/O I still keep old PPC G4 machines and use OS9 for most of my music software (I like a lot the old sequencer Opcode Studio Vision Pro). I can boot only OSX 10.5.8, so I can't use lot of new programs.?
Oh I see, right if you have a PPC Mac then you
would need specially compiled VSTs. The following links should be of special interest to you.
Best wishes, Eb
On Monday, December 9, 2013 6:00 PM, Daniel Forró wrote:
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Hi, Eb,
I think that the most practical table should have the value of instrument setting, value in Hz and maybe additionally value in BPM (which can be easily derived from Hz).? The last one is not so important to me, I don't need synced modulations for my music. Besides different values can be used for the same tempo in dependance which rhythmic density we want to get - so 30, 60, 120 or 240 is same tempo, just different density. With some simple math it's easy to obtain triplets, quintuplets, sextuplets...
I suppose values will be different for different Yamaha synths, as almost each of them has different minimal value... It's also quite expectable that we'll get only some tempo values, not all values continuously.
I know something about VST plugins and use some but I always thought they are special Mac versions.
When Nikola emphasizes?his plugin is for Windows I'm not sure if it can work on Mac.
I haven't Cubase nor Studio One, only MOTU Digital Performer V5 under OSX which I don't use. To be able to use old Korg cards Oasys PCI and 1212 I/O I still keep old PPC G4 machines and use OS9 for most of my music software (I like a lot the old sequencer Opcode Studio Vision Pro). I can boot only OSX 10.5.8, so I can't use lot of new programs.?
Daniel Forro
On 10 Dec, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Eb Mayat wrote:
I would guess that 120 bpm would be equivalent to 2 Hz.?
I only regret I'm on Mac so
probably I can't try your excellent plugin.
Daniel, VSTs can be loaded in Cubase and perhaps also Presonus Studio One running on an Apple Mac.
Regards,? Eb
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Him Eb,
thanks for tips, I will study it.
Daniel Forro
On 10 Dec, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Eb Mayat wrote: Hello Daniel
Hi, Eb,
I think that the most practical table should have the value of instrument setting, value in Hz and maybe additionally value in BPM (which can be easily derived from Hz).? The last one is not so important to me, I don't need synced modulations for my music. Besides different values can be used for the same tempo in dependance which rhythmic density we want to get - so 30, 60, 120 or 240 is same tempo, just different density. With some simple math it's easy to obtain triplets, quintuplets, sextuplets...
Absolutely correct!?
I know something about VST plugins and use some but I always thought they are special Mac versions. When Nikola emphasizes?his plugin is for Windows I'm not sure if it can work on Mac.
I haven't Cubase nor Studio One, only MOTU Digital Performer V5 under OSX which I don't use. To be able to use old Korg cards Oasys PCI and 1212 I/O I still keep old PPC G4 machines and use OS9 for most of my music software (I like a lot the old sequencer Opcode Studio Vision Pro). I can boot only OSX 10.5.8, so I can't use lot of new programs.?
Oh I see, right if you have a PPC Mac then you would need specially compiled VSTs. The following links should be of special interest to you. <> <> <>
Best wishes, Eb
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Lee Borrell