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Schematics?


Max Donoghue
 

Looking for a good set of schematics with voltage references. My 847 has no output on UHF band, known to me when I purchased it. I'm aware of the issue with the leads on the UHF module losing contact, but I checked that and resoldered just to be sure but did not resolve the problem. Time to start looking elsewhere.?

All suggestions on what to check next are welcome.
Thank you
Max


 

Hi I have high resolution schematics where do you live.

Does VHF tx work?

73

Andrew

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Max Donoghue
 

Hi Andrew,

VHF is fine. I'm in Kingston, Ontario.


 

Howdo. When you say you resoldered the leads, was that the leads on to PCB, or taking the top off the module and resoldering internally?

I had a problem with a VHF PA that turned out to be a bad solder connection on an inductor. DC one side of inductor leg one side of PCB, but not the other. It was a bad connection to copper.?


On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 12:59, Max Donoghue <ve3tmt@...> wrote:
Hi Andrew,

VHF is fine. I'm in Kingston, Ontario.


Max Donoghue
 

Hi Andy,

I touched up the both the PCB and the module solder connections. I may just go in and start inspecting solder contacts to make sure everything is good. Voltages would help but I do have the hi-res schematics to get me started.

Max


 

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Ah That Kingston, not the one 12 miles from me here in Hampshire !

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This should help, check the drive and the VCO locking they do drift out of lock

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Andrew

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Max Donoghue
Sent: 12 July 2022 13:00
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Subject: Re: [YaesuFT847] Schematics?

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Hi Andrew,

VHF is fine. I'm in Kingston, Ontario.


Max Donoghue
 

Thank you Andrew, will do.

RX on the UHF band is fine. It's just the TX that has failed.?

Max


 

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Trace the signal paths, to the TX PA

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Max Donoghue
Sent: 12 July 2022 14:17
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Subject: Re: [YaesuFT847] Schematics?

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Thank you Andrew, will do.

RX on the UHF band is fine. It's just the TX that has failed.?

Max


Max Donoghue
 

I don't have a lot of test gear. Multimeter, small portable scope from Amazon and a NanoVNA.


 

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Ah in that case, buy one of the those small software defined Spectrum analysers, and a few SMA adapters so you can put a scoop probe on it! Look at the single input on the VHF side the UHF will or should be a similar level!

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Andrew

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Max Donoghue
Sent: 12 July 2022 14:24
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YaesuFT847] Schematics?

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I don't have a lot of test gear. Multimeter, small portable scope from Amazon and a NanoVNA.


Max Donoghue
 

Looks about the same as what I have...

https://www.amazon.ca/Seesii-Analyzer-10KHz-1-5GHz-Measuring-Parameters/dp/B08132DJLS/ref=asc_df_B08132DJLS/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=335212258477&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=729350672648384458&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002310&hvtargid=pla-869965344213&psc=1


 

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No That is a network analyser, as it has reflection ports and through ports, it is not a spectrum analyser, they are different.

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Andrew

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Max Donoghue
Sent: 12 July 2022 14:41
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Subject: Re: [YaesuFT847] Schematics?

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Looks about the same as what I have...

https://www.amazon.ca/Seesii-Analyzer-10KHz-1-5GHz-Measuring-Parameters/dp/B08132DJLS/ref=asc_df_B08132DJLS/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=335212258477&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=729350672648384458&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002310&hvtargid=pla-869965344213&psc=1


 

Do you have a vhf/uhf handheld? Use on same frequency, with a carefully positioned screwdriver tip on the input of the driver block. Will give a rough idea if you have drive to module. By going on the output of module, you should be able to see if? it is working.


On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 14:53, Andrew Lenton <a@...> wrote:

No That is a network analyser, as it has reflection ports and through ports, it is not a spectrum analyser, they are different.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Max Donoghue
Sent: 12 July 2022 14:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YaesuFT847] Schematics?

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Looks about the same as what I have...


Max Donoghue
 

Yes I can hear the UHF signal quite well on my handheld. But no output power shows on the 847's meter. This is probably the pre-drive signal I'm picking up.


 

A very quick look at diagram,?
you should have? 8 volts tx on UHF, pin 1 of J4007
You should have some voltage, less than 8, on Pin 2 of the module.?
You should have 13.8 on pin 3 of the module, and RF out on pin 4. Check with handheld at varying distance/without antenna to see if it is amplifying.
Check what voltages you have on base and collector of final transistor, Q4006. Should be around 0.65 on base SSB tx, and 13.8 on collector.


On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 16:01, Max Donoghue <ve3tmt@...> wrote:
Yes I can hear the UHF signal quite well on my handheld. But no output power shows on the 847's meter. This is probably the pre-drive signal I'm picking up.


Max Donoghue
 

Thank you Andy, I will report back.


 

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You need to know the level, however, that sound relativity good news, The PA block may be obsolete, but tricky to test with limited equipment

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Andrew

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Max Donoghue
Sent: 12 July 2022 16:01
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Subject: Re: [YaesuFT847] Schematics?

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Yes I can hear the UHF signal quite well on my handheld. But no output power shows on the 847's meter. This is probably the pre-drive signal I'm picking up.


 

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Also put an amp meter in series with TPH and 4003 and 4004, that is what it is for, run around 10 Watts and see that to current ?is, at 50 Watts I would expect 10 -12 Amps depending on efficiency!

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy Bosworth
Sent: 12 July 2022 16:18
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Subject: Re: [YaesuFT847] Schematics?

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A very quick look at diagram,?
you should have? 8 volts tx on UHF, pin 1 of J4007 Yes
You should have some voltage, less than 8, on Pin 2 of the module.?Yes
You should have 13.8 on pin 3 of the module, and RF out on pin 4. Check with handheld at varying distance/without antenna to see if it is amplifying. Tricky
Check what voltages you have on base and collector of final transistor, Q4006. Should be around 0.65 on base SSB tx, and 13.8 on collector. Yes.

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 16:01, Max Donoghue <ve3tmt@...> wrote:

Yes I can hear the UHF signal quite well on my handheld. But no output power shows on the 847's meter. This is probably the pre-drive signal I'm picking up.


Max Donoghue
 

Hi Andy,

You should have? 8 volts tx on UHF, pin 1 of J4007???? 7.79V
You should have some voltage, less than 8, on Pin 2 of the module.?? 3.66V
You should have 13.8 on pin 3 of the module, and RF out on pin 4. Check with handheld at varying distance/without antenna to see if it is amplifying.? 13.67 on pin 3?
Check what voltages you have on base and collector of final transistor, Q4006. Should be around 0.65 on base SSB tx, and 13.8 on collector?? 0.725V on the base, 13.67 on the collector in both TX and RX

no current between the jumper on TX. Can't detect anything from Q4001 other than the signal is full bars on the HT with no antenna connected.

I'm thinking maybe Q4006 is bad??

Max


 

Ok, this is strange.?
I am struggling to see how you can have 0.7 volts base, 13 volts collector, but no current. That makes no sense.
Time to get a bit creative, and enlist the help of your wife. Try the signal in, signal out test with her using the handheld to RX at a greater distance. Then do the same for the base and collector of the final transistor.
There's another couple of things to check, I may be insulting you here, but what is PSU TX current on 2 metres, and 70 cms? Are you just going off the meter on radio, or have you actually verified with a power meter and dummy load that no juice is going out, or are you just relying on the meter on radio?


On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 23:28, Max Donoghue <ve3tmt@...> wrote:
Hi Andy,

You should have? 8 volts tx on UHF, pin 1 of J4007???? 7.79V
You should have some voltage, less than 8, on Pin 2 of the module.?? 3.66V
You should have 13.8 on pin 3 of the module, and RF out on pin 4. Check with handheld at varying distance/without antenna to see if it is amplifying.? 13.67 on pin 3?
Check what voltages you have on base and collector of final transistor, Q4006. Should be around 0.65 on base SSB tx, and 13.8 on collector?? 0.725V on the base, 13.67 on the collector in both TX and RX

no current between the jumper on TX. Can't detect anything from Q4001 other than the signal is full bars on the HT with no antenna connected.

I'm thinking maybe Q4006 is bad??

Max