John Murphy

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Rick, I am sure there are first time hams as well as first time users of not only the FT60 but other HT’s as well that will appreciate your efforts. Thanks for giving back to this fraternity we all belong to.

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73 de KC?JPO/AFA8JP?
John Murphy, B.S. C.J.; B.S. BusMgmt; MBA Marketing

GMRS Licensee WQOW801

PopComm Monitoring Station KPC0JPO
"When all else fails...Amateur Radio"

PIO Adams County (CO) ARES

ARES/RACES/AFMARS Nothwest Area, Region 8

USAF Security Police, 1973-84

Owner, Oil Country Radio’s

701-421-1134

Business Email: ocr58763@...

Personal Email: jmurphy7411@...

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Jim,

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I have a compromise that should work. As I write my Beginner’s Guide to the FT-60, I will post it on my web site (rick.sparber.org). Those interested in correcting or adding to it can work with me off list.

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It is slow going because I am trying to document as many beginner errors as I can recall. When version 1.0 is ready I will post the fact on this BBS once. No ongoing notices will be posted. I hope that others new to the FT-60 will contact me with problems they are having so both the problem and the solution may be included in the guide.

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It should be soon. I’m at page 14 right now and want to get a few more functions done first. The goal of this guide is for a beginner to use it in conjunction with the Operating Manual plus a working FT-60. I am not trying to create a new Operating Manual.

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As with all of my articles, this one will be marked Copyleft so anyone that wants it can have it without charge. They just can’t modify the copy and distribute it. All changes must be to the master by me, the author/editor.

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All of us are smarter than any one of us.

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73,

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Rick

KG7MQL

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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 4:41 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: Re: [FT-60] Memory Bank Recall Function

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Rick you are fine. I'm glad to see your enthusiasm! ?Keep the questions coming. I personally have learned a couple things based off of answers to your questions.?

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 'Rick - yahoo' rgsparber.ya@... [FT-60] <FT-60@...> wrote:

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I’m a member of many Yahoo groups. Each one has their own dominant personality and etiquette. I’m still trying to figure out this group.
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73,
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Rick
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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:05 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: Re: [FT-60] Memory Bank Recall Function
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You're doing fine Rick, hang in there and have fun!!!

On Jun 22, 2014, at 6:02 PM, "'Rick - yahoo' rgsparber.ya@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:
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Sorry about that. Yes, I will curb my enthusiasm.
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73,
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Rick
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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:13 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: Re: [FT-60] Memory Bank Recall Function
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Might I suggest you try not to absorb everything in one day. ?By the end of today you will have a fuzzy mind. ?You have sent 25 emails with 25 questions so far. ?Did you ever think you could ask 2 questions per email ? ?Or even 3 or 4. ?I understand your enthusiasm but ease up a little. ?Please.
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Jack, ae8p
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On Jun 22, 2014, at 7:17 PM, 'Rick - yahoo' rgsparber.ya@... [FT-60] <FT-60@...> wrote:
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Don,
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My manual also shows Memory Bank Scan on page 39 but the figures do not show the “b”. Not sure if you are saying that your copy of the manual shows the “b”. However, it is certainly doing a bank scan.
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It wasn’t that page 33’s Memory Bank Recall was wrong, just did not fully explain to me what to expect and what will happen if I do anything wrong. As a newbie, I like to avoid surprises while I try to learn something new.
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73,
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Rick
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From:?FT-60@...?[mailto:FT-60@...]?
Sent:?Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:18 AM
To:?FT-60@...
Subject:?Re: [FT-60] Memory Bank Recall Function
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The "Memory Bank Recall" function works for me exactly as written in the manual. If you press and hold V/M in the manual's step 4, what you try to avoid in your step 4, you'll enter "Memory Bank Scan" mode (I guess the "b" is for "bank scan"). See page 39 (in my manual, anyway) for more info.

-Don, KE6DM

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Sent from my HP Touchpad running Android Jellybean!
On June 22, 2014 7:47:57 AM PDT, "'Rick - yahoo'?rgsparber.ya@...?[FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:
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I have found that the Memory Bank Recall Function does not work exactly as described in my book. Here is what works for me:
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Memory Bank Recall
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1.?????If necessary, press V/M to get into memory mode
2.?????Press and hold BAND until display shows BAND # where # is the band number and SEL is flashing; you can also select NO BANK to exit the Memory Banks
3.?????Rotate DIAL to select desired bank
4.?????Press V/M for about 1 second; if too long, you will see MBLSCN and band won’t change. You will see “b” on top of BANK on the left side of the display. Press BAND to clear the “b” (what does the “b” mean?)
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I would appreciate others testing this procedure to see if it works for them.
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73,
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Rick
KG7MQL
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KD0YTJ

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John,

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Thanks for the kind words. I will send you a .pdf of what I have now so you can see where I’m headed.

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Rick

KG7MQL

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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:50 AM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: RE: [FT-60] User Manual Addendum #1

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Rick, I am sure there are first time hams as well as first time users of not only the FT60 but other HT’s as well that will appreciate your efforts. Thanks for giving back to this fraternity we all belong to.

?

73 de KC?JPO/AFA8JP?
John Murphy, B.S. C.J.; B.S. BusMgmt; MBA Marketing

GMRS Licensee WQOW801

PopComm Monitoring Station KPC0JPO
"When all else fails...Amateur Radio"

PIO Adams County (CO) ARES

ARES/RACES/AFMARS Nothwest Area, Region 8

USAF Security Police, 1973-84

Owner, Oil Country Radio’s

701-421-1134

Business Email: ocr58763@...

Personal Email: jmurphy7411@...

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Jim,

?

I have a compromise that should work. As I write my Beginner’s Guide to the FT-60, I will post it on my web site (rick.sparber.org). Those interested in correcting or adding to it can work with me off list.

?

It is slow going because I am trying to document as many beginner errors as I can recall. When version 1.0 is ready I will post the fact on this BBS once. No ongoing notices will be posted. I hope that others new to the FT-60 will contact me with problems they are having so both the problem and the solution may be included in the guide.

?

It should be soon. I’m at page 14 right now and want to get a few more functions done first. The goal of this guide is for a beginner to use it in conjunction with the Operating Manual plus a working FT-60. I am not trying to create a new Operating Manual.

?

As with all of my articles, this one will be marked Copyleft so anyone that wants it can have it without charge. They just can’t modify the copy and distribute it. All changes must be to the master by me, the author/editor.

?

All of us are smarter than any one of us.

?

73,

?

Rick

KG7MQL

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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 4:41 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: Re: [FT-60] Memory Bank Recall Function

?

Rick you are fine. I'm glad to see your enthusiasm! ?Keep the questions coming. I personally have learned a couple things based off of answers to your questions.?

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 'Rick - yahoo' rgsparber.ya@... [FT-60] <FT-60@...> wrote:

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I’m a member of many Yahoo groups. Each one has their own dominant personality and etiquette. I’m still trying to figure out this group.
?
73,
?
Rick
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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:05 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: Re: [FT-60] Memory Bank Recall Function
?
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You're doing fine Rick, hang in there and have fun!!!

On Jun 22, 2014, at 6:02 PM, "'Rick - yahoo' rgsparber.ya@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:
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Sorry about that. Yes, I will curb my enthusiasm.
?
73,
?
Rick
?
From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:13 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: Re: [FT-60] Memory Bank Recall Function
?
?
Might I suggest you try not to absorb everything in one day. ?By the end of today you will have a fuzzy mind. ?You have sent 25 emails with 25 questions so far. ?Did you ever think you could ask 2 questions per email ? ?Or even 3 or 4. ?I understand your enthusiasm but ease up a little. ?Please.
?
Jack, ae8p
?
On Jun 22, 2014, at 7:17 PM, 'Rick - yahoo' rgsparber.ya@... [FT-60] <FT-60@...> wrote:
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Don,
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My manual also shows Memory Bank Scan on page 39 but the figures do not show the “b”. Not sure if you are saying that your copy of the manual shows the “b”. However, it is certainly doing a bank scan.
?
It wasn’t that page 33’s Memory Bank Recall was wrong, just did not fully explain to me what to expect and what will happen if I do anything wrong. As a newbie, I like to avoid surprises while I try to learn something new.
?
73,
?
Rick
?
From:?FT-60@...?[mailto:FT-60@...]?
Sent:?Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:18 AM
To:?FT-60@...
Subject:?Re: [FT-60] Memory Bank Recall Function
?
?
The "Memory Bank Recall" function works for me exactly as written in the manual. If you press and hold V/M in the manual's step 4, what you try to avoid in your step 4, you'll enter "Memory Bank Scan" mode (I guess the "b" is for "bank scan"). See page 39 (in my manual, anyway) for more info.

-Don, KE6DM

------?
Sent from my HP Touchpad running Android Jellybean!
On June 22, 2014 7:47:57 AM PDT, "'Rick - yahoo'?rgsparber.ya@...?[FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:
?
I have found that the Memory Bank Recall Function does not work exactly as described in my book. Here is what works for me:
?
Memory Bank Recall
?
1.?????If necessary, press V/M to get into memory mode
2.?????Press and hold BAND until display shows BAND # where # is the band number and SEL is flashing; you can also select NO BANK to exit the Memory Banks
3.?????Rotate DIAL to select desired bank
4.?????Press V/M for about 1 second; if too long, you will see MBLSCN and band won’t change. You will see “b” on top of BANK on the left side of the display. Press BAND to clear the “b” (what does the “b” mean?)
?
?
I would appreciate others testing this procedure to see if it works for them.
?
73,
?
Rick
KG7MQL
?
?

--

?

___________________________________

?

KD0YTJ

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#16228

Hey Rick,

Looks like you have some support out there for the addendum. Congrats and I wish you well in the endeavor.?

I thought of doing one myself on the FT-60r, but the circumstances don't permit these days. My idea was to make a small, folding quick guide that was straight common sense. Directed to the task you want to remember but don't use the feature enough to have it committed to memory. Stuff like scanning Banks, single or multiple. Stuff like a small list of frequencies that you may have as an emergency go to in case your radio loses its memory. And after you write that info on there, you can get it laminated for cheap.?

You're welcome to those ideas and more if you wanna run something by me. I'm sure the group's response is the same.

73

Greg

#16229

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Check out for a trifold, wallet sized cheat sheet.

Jardy Dawson

WA7JRD Ham Radio

Sent by the Underground Railroad,?

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On Jul 2, 2014, at 12:21, "pa16411@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:

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Hey Rick,

Looks like you have some support out there for the addendum. Congrats and I wish you well in the endeavor.?

I thought of doing one myself on the FT-60r, but the circumstances don't permit these days. My idea was to make a small, folding quick guide that was straight common sense. Directed to the task you want to remember but don't use the feature enough to have it committed to memory. Stuff like scanning Banks, single or multiple. Stuff like a small list of frequencies that you may have as an emergency go to in case your radio loses its memory. And after you write that info on there, you can get it laminated for cheap.?

You're welcome to those ideas and more if you wanna run something by me. I'm sure the group's response is the same.

73

Greg

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Greg,

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Just to be clear, I am writing a Beginner’s Guide which works with the Yaesu Operating Manual. It is not an addendum.

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I like your idea of a quick start card. It seems to me that the bare essentials are what to do in order to communicate with a single repeater. It really isn’t much information so the card could be rather small. I agree that there should be space for a small number of frequencies. If the information was in a .doc or .xls format, the user could type in what they want and the result would look nice.

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Thanks! It will be a companion to the Beginner’s Guide.

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Rick

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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 12:22 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: RE: [FT-60] User Manual Addendum #1

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Hey Rick,

?

Looks like you have some support out there for the addendum. Congrats and I wish you well in the endeavor.?

?

I thought of doing one myself on the FT-60r, but the circumstances don't permit these days. My idea was to make a small, folding quick guide that was straight common sense. Directed to the task you want to remember but don't use the feature enough to have it committed to memory. Stuff like scanning Banks, single or multiple. Stuff like a small list of frequencies that you may have as an emergency go to in case your radio loses its memory. And after you write that info on there, you can get it laminated for cheap.?

?

You're welcome to those ideas and more if you wanna run something by me. I'm sure the group's response is the same.

?

73

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Greg

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Jardy,

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I see the card I would offer as being just enough to get you on the air. The nifty card is a whole lot more.

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73,

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Rick

KG7MQL

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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 3:26 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: Re: [FT-60] User Manual Addendum #1

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Check out for a trifold, wallet sized cheat sheet.

Jardy Dawson

WA7JRD Ham Radio

#16232

I have already posted my FT-60R cheat sheet in the files section.

It is called: Yaesu FT-60R Operating Notes.doc.

It is a compilation of the most useful, and used most often, segments 
from the manual.  And written, I hope, so that all can understand.

- Mike

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At 12:21 PM 7/2/2014, you wrote:

Hey Rick,

Looks like you have some support out there for the addendum. 
Congrats and I wish you well in the endeavor.

I thought of doing one myself on the FT-60r, but the circumstances 
don't permit these days. My idea was to make a small, folding quick 
guide that was straight common sense. Directed to the task you want 
to remember but don't use the feature enough to have it committed to 
memory. Stuff like scanning Banks, single or multiple. Stuff like a 
small list of frequencies that you may have as an emergency go to in 
case your radio loses its memory. And after you write that info on 
there, you can get it laminated for cheap.

You're welcome to those ideas and more if you wanna run something by 
me. I'm sure the group's response is the same.

73

Greg

kg7dju

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The nifty guide for the FT-60 is what I use, it really helps.?

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On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:26 PM, "Jardy Dawson JARDY72@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:

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Check out for a trifold, wallet sized cheat sheet.

Jardy Dawson
WA7JRD Ham Radio

Sent by the Underground Railroad,?

On Jul 2, 2014, at 12:21, "pa16411@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:

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Hey Rick,

Looks like you have some support out there for the addendum. Congrats and I wish you well in the endeavor.?

I thought of doing one myself on the FT-60r, but the circumstances don't permit these days. My idea was to make a small, folding quick guide that was straight common sense. Directed to the task you want to remember but don't use the feature enough to have it committed to memory. Stuff like scanning Banks, single or multiple. Stuff like a small list of frequencies that you may have as an emergency go to in case your radio loses its memory. And after you write that info on there, you can get it laminated for cheap.?

You're welcome to those ideas and more if you wanna run something by me. I'm sure the group's response is the same.

73

Greg

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Mike,

The quick start card I'm thinking of would get a person able to talk to a single repeater. Super barebones and assumes nothing. It might be used in an emergency by someone that isn't a ham because the ham is too injured to use it. Ideally I would like to get it onto one side of a business card. The back would contain a few frequencies with their offsets and PL tone.?

Rick

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On Jul 2, 2014, at 4:45 PM, "Michael Lynch lynchmf1@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:

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I have already posted my FT-60R cheat sheet in the files section.

It is called: Yaesu FT-60R Operating Notes.doc.

It is a compilation of the most useful, and used most often, segments
from the manual. And written, I hope, so that all can understand.

- Mike

At 12:21 PM 7/2/2014, you wrote:
>
>
>Hey Rick,
>
>
>Looks like you have some support out there for the addendum.
>Congrats and I wish you well in the endeavor.
>
>
>I thought of doing one myself on the FT-60r, but the circumstances
>don't permit these days. My idea was to make a small, folding quick
>guide that was straight common sense. Directed to the task you want
>to remember but don't use the feature enough to have it committed to
>memory. Stuff like scanning Banks, single or multiple. Stuff like a
>small list of frequencies that you may have as an emergency go to in
>case your radio loses its memory. And after you write that info on
>there, you can get it laminated for cheap.
>
>
>You're welcome to those ideas and more if you wanna run something by
>me. I'm sure the group's response is the same.
>
>
>73
>
>
>Greg

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Rick:

Your idea sounds good. MY problem is that, even after owning the cussed thing for over a year, I can never remember how to delete a frequency from a group. There's something I try to do (can't remember what it is, dammit) that caused me to add the frequency In current use to the group I am currently in. Then I scan the frequency two! three, sometimes four times each time through the band! until I can go through the PDF manual to find yet again how to delete a frequency from a memory bank.

Yes, it's dead easy, but for me, it is not intuitive for some stupid reason.

73,
Neil
VA5SCA
SKCC 12198

Sent via Morse Code, assisted by slide rule and abacus.

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Neil,

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I’m sure that the designers of the FT-60 find their interface intuitively obvious and simple to use. Maybe 99% of the owners of this radio feel the same way. But, like you, I have trouble. The key is for us to find what is sometimes called “the mental model”. This is a way of thinking about the interface that matches what is in the heads of the designers. Adopting the correct mental model will help us reason out what to do in most cases.

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Deleting entries drove me crazy for a few days until I realized that there are two different things that can be deleted. You can delete the actual data [page 32] which consists of frequency plus, optionally, offset, tone, and power. But you can also delete pointers to this data [page 34] which is used in the memory banks. The designers chose to make these two procedures different. Don’t know why yet.

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You also mentioned what I call “error branches” which is when you are trying to do one thing and accidently end up doing another. I am trying to capture as many of these as possible in my Beginner’s Guide and explain how to escape the unintended state and repair any damage.

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73,

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Rick

KG7MQL

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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:52 AM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: [FT-60] Re: User Manual Addendum #1

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Rick:

Your idea sounds good. MY problem is that, even after owning the cussed thing for over a year, I can never remember how to delete a frequency from a group. There's something I try to do (can't remember what it is, dammit) that caused me to add the frequency In current use to the group I am currently in. Then I scan the frequency two! three, sometimes four times each time through the band! until I can go through the PDF manual to find yet again how to delete a frequency from a memory bank.

Yes, it's dead easy, but for me, it is not intuitive for some stupid reason.

73,
Neil
VA5SCA
SKCC 12198

#16239

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I think one of the most common things is what to do when "tun" shows up. ?The other is the infamous WIRES function. ?At least that can be disabled.

Jardy Dawson

WA7JRD Ham Radio

Sent by the Underground Railroad,?

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On Jul 3, 2014, at 6:17, "'Rick - yahoo' rgsparber.ya@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:

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Neil,
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I’m sure that the designers of the FT-60 find their interface intuitively obvious and simple to use. Maybe 99% of the owners of this radio feel the same way. But, like you, I have trouble. The key is for us to find what is sometimes called “the mental model”. This is a way of thinking about the interface that matches what is in the heads of the designers. Adopting the correct mental model will help us reason out what to do in most cases.
?
Deleting entries drove me crazy for a few days until I realized that there are two different things that can be deleted. You can delete the actual data [page 32] which consists of frequency plus, optionally, offset, tone, and power. But you can also delete pointers to this data [page 34] which is used in the memory banks. The designers chose to make these two procedures different. Don’t know why yet.
?
You also mentioned what I call “error branches” which is when you are trying to do one thing and accidently end up doing another. I am trying to capture as many of these as possible in my Beginner’s Guide and explain how to escape the unintended state and repair any damage.
?
73,
?
Rick
KG7MQL
?
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From: FT-60@... [mailto:FT-60@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:52 AM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: [FT-60] Re: User Manual Addendum #1
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Rick:

Your idea sounds good. MY problem is that, even after owning the cussed thing for over a year, I can never remember how to delete a frequency from a group. There's something I try to do (can't remember what it is, dammit) that caused me to add the frequency In current use to the group I am currently in. Then I scan the frequency two! three, sometimes four times each time through the band! until I can go through the PDF manual to find yet again how to delete a frequency from a memory bank.

Yes, it's dead easy, but for me, it is not intuitive for some stupid reason.

73,
Neil
VA5SCA
SKCC 12198

#16248

I like the site. Thanks, Jardy...