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FT-60 audio a bit muffled just for m the radio no Speaker mic...


 

Has anyone modded there FT 60 to get more high Freq response? I heard you can remove the membrane that is on the inside of the case to get better mic response...I will try this as I have two of these radios ...


 

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I don't think the FT-60 needs it. Where some Yaesu radios seem to have nothing but highs on analog FM, the FT-60 has just enough to be nice and clear.




On 2020-11-29 1:20 a.m., nick cassarino wrote:

Has anyone modded there FT 60 to get more high Freq response? I heard you can remove the membrane that is on the inside of the case to get better mic response...I will try this as I have two of these radios ...


 

Also, wouldn't removing or puncturing that membrane make the microphone element more prone to plosives? (p-pops, breath noise, etc.)


I talk almost right against, but ACROSS the front of my HT's, and avoid most of that.


 

Yes.? I’ve heard that too. ? ?Give it a try and see what happens..

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 7:18 AM nick cassarino <nick@...> wrote:
Has anyone modded there FT 60 to get more high Freq response? I heard you can remove the membrane that is on the inside of the case to get better mic response...I will try this as I have two of these radios ...

--
Scott J. Dickinson, Esq.


 

Whoever told you to remove a membrane should NOT be trusted ...

Check your deviation setting.?

Has your radio been subjected to moisture?


--
Clint Bradford K6LCS
http//www.work-sat.com


 

The microphone inside the radio is an electret. The membrane to which I believe you
are referring too is a formed rubber dampener. The microphone is about 0.25 inch
in diameter and a cylinder about 0.25 inches high. Printed circuit board vibrations
on which the electret microphone is mounted are dampened by a rubber sheath
placed over the microphone. That sheath also has a lip that folds over and under
the microphone to mechanically isolate it from the printed circuit board. The gap
formed under the microphone by the rollover of the sheath is critical and the sheath
is in place when the microphone is soldered to the board.

The opening in the sheath for audio does little to alter the bass audio frequencies.
Rather I suspect the electret microphone simply is out of spec.? The diagram below
displays the covering cloth on a typical CUI design electret microphone. Notice they
show a 'non-woven fabric layer'. Also notice that is all that stands in the way of dust,
dirt, debris and spit encroaching on the inside of your microphone. You can remove
it, but you are inviting Murphy to throw a party down the road.

As the old label on radios and telephones use to say, "There are no internal
consumer serviceable parts". The pictorial below shows the assembled micro-
phone stack up. You can see why the fabric layer is critical to leave alone.


In all probability if your reports indicate poor audio, the microphone audio
response was bad from the beginning or debris and/or moisture has ingressed
the microphone. The fix is to replace the microphone. Last time I purchased
an electret from Icom (not Yaesu but Icom for an Icom repair) the microphone
was $1.35 and the shipping was $11.50. So call Yaesu and ask for the replacement
microphone. Alternatively if you can indentify the manufacturer's label and
model number on the 'make you squint your eyes to read' printing on the
microphone case you may find it listed in Mouser, Digikey, or other distributors
catalog. I buy direct from the radio manufacturer when possible and also
purchase the rubber dampener at the same time. Being rubber they do break
down and nothing is more aggravating than trying to find a glue that does not
stick you to yourself while trying to coax the torn rubber of the dampener to
stick together.

Please do not use a Weller soldering gun or a soldering iron rated more than
30 watts to desolder the microphone. Do use 'Desoldering Wick' such as
Chemtronics or similar desoldering braid. A substitute is a scrap of coax braid
dipped in liquid flux intended for electronic use. Make sure to determine what
solvent is needed to clean the flux. Many modern fluxes are intended to be
cleaned in a water/saponfier solution and will resist cleaning with many
differing alcohols. If the flux cleans with alcohol buy a box of 'Alcohol Swabs'
like used to clean the skin before a hypodermic injection. You can buy a box
at the pharmacy or Sam's Club in the home medical supplies aisle for less than
about $2.50. Clean the board three or four times with the swabs if used. Don't
use toilet paper soaked in alcohol or paper towel soaked in alcohol. Been
there, done that and cussed for three hours while using tweezers under a
stereo zoom microscope picking out paper fibers that caught misc sharp
points on the tracks and protruding leads.

Displayed below is the typical electret microphone frequency response.
The audio circuitry in the FT-60 will add some pre-emphasis so the flat
curve of the microphone will be altered to produce a positive slope. The
audio chain schematic is shown below if you would like to observe the
audio passband processing used in the FT-60R. If the microphone is
not the problem than there is likely an issue with one of the audio
gain stages that amplifies and filters the microphone audio. My money
is on the microphone.

Regards

Chuck WD4HXG


On November 29, 2020 at 10:18 AM, "nick cassarino" <nick@...> wrote:

Has anyone modded there FT 60 to get more high Freq response? I heard you can remove the membrane that is on the inside of the case to get better mic response...I will try this as I have two of these radios ...


 

Yes that little worked I have much better frequency response now with less muffled audio... I am the owner of a Motorola APX 8000 radio and I have to say my Yaesu FT-60 sound almost as good now.
Thanks

Nick Cassarino
N6VOA
FCC PGGB-005935


 

Well I did the mod and of course to me it sounds better and got rid of the Low Freq response.. Now I know it might be controversial however.."I did not remove the membrane on the Mic itself" Only the membrane on the inside of the case I folded it back on itself..


Nick?
N6VOA
FCC PGGB-005935


 

Thanks Chuck?

The membrane resides on the inside of the case of the radio ...It is not the rubber around the mic element itself ...Just tor clarify...To me it looks like a piece of Gortex material ...


Theodore Morris
 

Well, I an about ready to turn my FT-60 back in to the store because of the low & muffled audio from the front panel mike. Using a Yaesu speaker mike I sound just fine, like I do on my Icom T-70A on _its_ front panel mike. I do see that there are a number of other “google hits” on “ft-60 audio” that I need to check out, though.

But right out of the box, _this_FT-60 is unusable.


 

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Hmm, not mine. Sounds good apparently.

Does it favor highs as much as the FT-70 I own? No, but it doesn’t sound as thin as that on FM either.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Theodore Morris
Sent: February 25, 2022 10:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Yaesu-FT-60] FT-60 audio a bit muffled just for m the radio no Speaker mic...

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Well, I an about ready to turn my FT-60 back in to the store because of the low & muffled audio from the front panel mike. Using a Yaesu speaker mike I sound just fine, like I do on my Icom T-70A on _its_ front panel mike. I do see that there are a number of other “google hits” on “ft-60 audio” that I need to check out, though.

But right out of the box, _this_FT-60 is unusable.


 

May be a thin piece of plastic flashing stuck in front of the mic. Ask the dealer to correct it or replace the unit. This would not be the first time this problem has occurred.



On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:59 PM, Theodore Morris
<nc8v@...> wrote:
Well, I an about ready to turn my FT-60 back in to the store because of the low & muffled audio from the front panel mike. Using a Yaesu speaker mike I sound just fine, like I do on my Icom T-70A on _its_ front panel mike. I do see that there are a number of other “google hits” on “ft-60 audio” that I need to check out, though.

But right out of the box, _this_FT-60 is unusable.