"I do have the R.T. Systems programming software, but support for the radio is discontinued, so they can't help me."
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That is pure rubbish. Now, then, if you have a unauthorized copy, or a copy of the software that belongs to someone else, they might not help you. But RT Systems is most certainly supporting their software and the Yaesu FT-60.
Given that you are attempting to perform a "cut & paste", I believe the manual has caused confusion for you.
Maybe this will help: the Banks do not store frequencies & settings.? Only the actual memory locations can store that information.? That information cannot be "cut & pasted" to a Bank. A Bank is a list/collection of memories.? When a Bank is active, only the memories assigned to that Bank can be accessed.
A memory can be assigned, registered, (pick your word), etc. to one or more Banks.?
Here is an example from the display of FT60 Commander.? Some memories are assigned to Bank 1 & 2 are assigned to Bank 1 and Bank 10
"Now that you have pressed and held the [BAND] key until NOBANK appears, you must keep moving. The radio will exit that mode rather quickly. No problem... just press and hold the [BAND] key again. Turn the KNOB on top to select the bank you want to use. Banks with a number that does not blink contain channels. A blinking number indicates an empty bank that cannot be selected. Once you find the one you want, press the [V/M] key to save the selection. If you want to be sure your selection was saved, press the [V/M] key to go to VFO mode then again to return to memory mode. When you return to memory mode the radio will display Bank # indicating the working bank. So, that is a lot to sort through. Briefly, your key presses are... [BAND] (press and hold) Turn KNOB to select the bank you want. Press [V/M] to save The radio will now operate as if it is programmed with only the channels in that memory bank"
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"A blinking number indicates an empty bank that cannot be selected."
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ALL MY BANKS BLINK! So I can't use any of them? I just did a factory reset!
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How can they be unusable if I just did a factory reset? How can a bank be "empty" and be unusable??
On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 8:36?PM CalFire via <ebaniste1937=[email protected]> wrote:
Andy,
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Never got your "example". It's O.K., I'll contact R.T. Systems...again.
Hmm, my example was embedded into my email and was not an attachment.? If you want, I can try to send it as an attachment?
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".... The radio will now operate as if it is programmed with only the channels in that memory bank"
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"A blinking number indicates an empty bank that cannot be selected."
RT systems is saying that no memories have been assigned to that bank.??
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?ALL MY BANKS BLINK! So I can't use any of them? I just did a factory reset!
To a point this is correct. You cannot use any of the?banks because you have not initialized any of them. You have to assign one or more memories to a bank for that bank to be selectable (you are saying "use" while RT says "select").? Performing a factory reset clears the contents of all banks.? Therefore, you cannot select any bank until you assign memory(ies) to it.? Actually not being able to select an empty bank is a good thing because, as RT Systems states? "The radio will now operate as if it is programmed with only the channels in that memory bank":?if the radio allowed you to select an empty bank, the radio would not operate.? The radio would operate as if it is programmed with nothing.
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How can they be unusable if I just did a factory reset? How can a bank be "empty" and be unusable??
This is a poor analogy but it is the best I can come up with at the moment.? If somebody gives you driving instructions on a sheet of paper but the paper is blank, the instructions are "unuseable".? An empty bank is a blank sheet of instructions. ?
I am guessing, perhaps incorrectly, that you still are thinking you place frequencies and other settings into a bank.??
You assign memories (or channels as RT Systems calls them) into a bank.? Each memory can be placed in zero, one or more banks.? Each memory location can contain the frequency and settings for only transmit and one receive frequency.? On the other hand, a bank can have multiple memories assigned to it. A bank can access dozens of frequency settings if you want. An empty bank is "unusable" by the FT60 because you haven't initialized?it.?
Something else to understand. If you have a memory assigned to a bank(s), if you change the settings in that memory location, you do NOT need to change anything in the banks.? Let me try an example.??
Let's say you set memory 150 as a simplex frequency and you assign memory 150 to both bank 5 and bank 10.? When you select bank?5 or bank 10, you can access the settings in memory 150.? When you select any other bank you cannot see nor access memory location 150.? Turn the selector knob with bank 4 selected, for example, you will never see memory 150.? Turn the knob when bank 5 is selected and you will see memory 150.?
You then realize you should have set that up as a repeater frequency. All you need to do is to modify the contents of memory 150.? Bank 5 and bank 10 now each operate that frequency as a repeater frequency.? Why? Because the repeater settings are not stored in bank 5 or bank 10 but in memory location 150. Just like before you updated memory 150, bank 5 and bank 10 allow you to access memory 150
I hope this helps
Please let me know if you want me to send the previous example as an attachment.
The R.T. Systems software was supposed to make programming the FT-60 easy to understand and simplified, as opposed to doing this programming manually. I don't even want to think about how challenging this would be, manually(!)
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The FT-60 has been around for 20 years now; I know why no one has offered a YOUTUBE video on this subject in all those years. Whew...
On Aug 2, 2024, at 19:14, CalFire <ebaniste1937@...> wrote:
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Yes Andy, please send it as an attachment.
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The R.T. Systems software was supposed to make programming the FT-60 easy to understand and simplified, as opposed to doing this programming manually. I don't even want to think about how challenging this would be, manually(!)
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The FT-60 has been around for 20 years now; I know why no one has offered a YOUTUBE video on this subject in all those years. Whew...
On Aug 2, 2024, at 19:14, CalFire <ebaniste1937@...> wrote:
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Yes Andy, please send it as an attachment.
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The R.T. Systems software was supposed to make programming the FT-60 easy to understand and simplified, as opposed to doing this programming manually. I don't even want to think about how challenging this would be, manually(!)
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The FT-60 has been around for 20 years now; I know why no one has offered a YOUTUBE video on this subject in all those years. Whew...
I agree: the FT60 is the easiest radio to program. We've programmed ours using a computer and manually. Easiest both ways. ("We" being my YL, our sons, and me)
I've observed that people who have problems with it typically have a preconceived idea of how it should work & try to force the instructions to fit those ideas. One example are people who "know" the Banks store frequencies & settings. Once these people actually succeed in programming the radio, they understand the radio
The R.T. Systems software was supposed to make programming the FT-60 easy to understand and simplified, as opposed to doing this programming manually. I don't even want to think about how challenging this would be, manually(!)
?
The FT-60 has been around for 20 years now; I know why no one has offered a YOUTUBE video on this subject in all those years. Whew...
a) I have attached the example that did not come through the other day.
b) I describe the steps I use to set up a Bank below
Sure!? I do not have the programming software you are using so I cannot list the steps for that software.? I can describe the steps I take manually directly on the radio, i.e. manually.
Load all the settings for a simplex or repeater configuration into a memory location.? Things like transmit frequency, receive frequency, CTCSS or DCS tone for transmit (if any),?
CTCSS or DCS tone for receive (if any), etc.? I'm going to assume you know how to do this given that you've not asked about this.? You can do this manually or via the software - whatever works for you.
Repeat step (1) for all the frequencies that you care about.
You can confirm the memories are loaded by placing the radio in memory mode instead?of VFO mode, and rotating the selector knob.
Assigning a memory?to a Bank:
With the radio in Memory Mode, turn the selector knob to the first memory location that you want to assign to a memory bank.
Press and hold in the BAND(BAND DN) button for one second. -> that is the button below the 9 button?and to the right of the 0 button.
Rotate the Dial knob (a.k.a. the Selector knob) to select the Memory Bank you want to assign the memory location you selected in step 4.1
Press and hold the F/W button for 1 second to copy the memory channel to the Memory Bank.
You now have added one memory location to one bank.
Repeat steps 4.1 through 4.5 for the next memory location you want to assign to a Bank.
That's it.? One thing to note: you do not need to perform the steps of item 4 for all memories that you want to assign at one time; you can come back and add more memories/perform steps 4 later.
It really is that easy.
This is all covered in the "FT-60R Operating Manual" on page 33.? That page also described how to use/activate a Bank or to not use any Bank.
Although I do not have the RT Systems software and cannot describe how to set up banks with that software, I can describe how FT-60 Commander does that (because that is the software I have).? Please note: I am not suggesting FT60 Commander is better: it merely is the one I have.
Attached you will find my screen capture of the FT60 Commander software operating window which did not come thru?for you the other?day.? This software is easy to use,?and even easier?than the manual steps above. To add or remove a given memory to a Bank, I merely click on the cell in the memory's row and in the column of the bank of interest.? For example, the cell in row 3 for Bank 1 (which is just labelled "1") has been clicked and an X is shown.? This means the settings for "W4CDA" are assigned to Bank 1.? The X in column 10 shows W4CDA is also assigned to Bank 10.? The blanks in the columns for Banks 2 through 9 mean W4CDA will not be accessible (i.e. will be hidden) when any of those Banks are selected/enabled.? I suspect RT Systems software is similarly easy.? Again, the key is to store the settings in a memory location and then assign that memory location to a Bank; you do not store settings into a bank.
The steps for the FT60 Commander software are simple:
Set up the memories for all the frequencies of interest.
Click on the cells associated with a Bank for each memory you want?assigned to that Bank to get an?X to appear. Clock again to clear the X and remove the assignment to a Bank
Send the data to the radio.
How do I use Banks? I have one Bank with all my local frequencies assigned to it.? When I am participating in an event such as a Wine and Cheese?Festival, a Bicycle Ride, or something else, I assign the memory locations of the frequencies that the event will be using and only those locations to Bank 10.? When I get to the event, I activate Bank 10.? If I want, I can even have the radio scan just the event's frequencies.? How? When Bank 10 is enabled, the radio can only access the frequencies in the memories assigned to Bank 10
I use banks in another way.? There are three ways we identify frequency assignments in my area. One is obviously the?frequency.? The second is the?callsign. The last is the, hmm, code name or the function such as Red, Gold, <city>TAC, <city>MSG. I duplicate the settings for each frequency assignment into 3 separate memory locations providing a different Name or Tag for each location: frequency, callsign, and code function.? For example, one local repeater is on 146.230 with a -600kHz offset and a 100Hz CTCSS tone for transmit and for receive.? I store that once in memory location 11 with the tag "146230", a second time in location 311 with the tag "N6NFI", and once in location 711 with the tag "HOSPTL".? This means the radio transmits and receives the same way for these three memories.? The only difference is what I see on the radio's display.
I assign memory 11 to Bank 1, memory 311 to Bank 2, and memory 711 to Bank 3.? When I am in a situation where the Net Control is discussing frequencies, I enable Bank 1; when callsign is being discussed, I enable Bank 2; when tactical/usage/codeword, I enable Bank 3.? And finally, when I am working an event that only uses a few frequencies, I assign memory 11, 311, and 711 to Bank 10 (along with the other frequencies the event is using as I described above).? When I enable Bank 10, all 3 memories cause the radio to operate the same way yet when I turn the selector knob I can see all 3 tags.? Very useful when the event participants are, ahh, casual when discussing frequencies -> I can easily figure out what to do without translating.
I hope this helps
Andy
KI6SEP
p.s. Are you affiliated with the California Depart of Fires?? If so, I may have a contact within the group who might be able to help you in person.
a) I have attached the example that did not come through the other day.
b) I describe the steps I use to set up a Bank below
Sure!? I do not have the programming software you are using so I cannot list the steps for that software.? I can describe the steps I take manually directly on the radio, i.e. manually.
Load all the settings for a simplex or repeater configuration into a memory location.? Things like transmit frequency, receive frequency, CTCSS or DCS tone for transmit (if any),?
CTCSS or DCS tone for receive (if any), etc.? I'm going to assume you know how to do this given that you've not asked about this.? You can do this manually or via the software - whatever works for you.
Repeat step (1) for all the frequencies that you care about.
You can confirm the memories are loaded by placing the radio in memory mode instead?of VFO mode, and rotating the selector knob.
Assigning a memory?to a Bank:
With the radio in Memory Mode, turn the selector knob to the first memory location that you want to assign to a memory bank.
Press and hold in the BAND(BAND DN) button for one second. -> that is the button below the 9 button?and to the right of the 0 button.
Rotate the Dial knob (a.k.a. the Selector knob) to select the Memory Bank you want to assign the memory location you selected in step 4.1
Press and hold the F/W button for 1 second to copy the memory channel to the Memory Bank.
You now have added one memory location to one bank.
Repeat steps 4.1 through 4.5 for the next memory location you want to assign to a Bank.
That's it.? One thing to note: you do not need to perform the steps of item 4 for all memories that you want to assign at one time; you can come back and add more memories/perform steps 4 later.
It really is that easy.
This is all covered in the "FT-60R Operating Manual" on page 33.? That page also described how to use/activate a Bank or to not use any Bank.
Although I do not have the RT Systems software and cannot describe how to set up banks with that software, I can describe how FT-60 Commander does that (because that is the software I have).? Please note: I am not suggesting FT60 Commander is better: it merely is the one I have.
Attached you will find my screen capture of the FT60 Commander software operating window which did not come thru?for you the other?day.? This software is easy to use,?and even easier?than the manual steps above. To add or remove a given memory to a Bank, I merely click on the cell in the memory's row and in the column of the bank of interest.? For example, the cell in row 3 for Bank 1 (which is just labelled "1") has been clicked and an X is shown.? This means the settings for "W4CDA" are assigned to Bank 1.? The X in column 10 shows W4CDA is also assigned to Bank 10.? The blanks in the columns for Banks 2 through 9 mean W4CDA will not be accessible (i.e. will be hidden) when any of those Banks are selected/enabled.? I suspect RT Systems software is similarly easy.? Again, the key is to store the settings in a memory location and then assign that memory location to a Bank; you do not store settings into a bank.
The steps for the FT60 Commander software are simple:
Set up the memories for all the frequencies of interest.
Click on the cells associated with a Bank for each memory you want?assigned to that Bank to get an?X to appear. Clock again to clear the X and remove the assignment to a Bank
Send the data to the radio.
How do I use Banks? I have one Bank with all my local frequencies assigned to it.? When I am participating in an event such as a Wine and Cheese?Festival, a Bicycle Ride, or something else, I assign the memory locations of the frequencies that the event will be using and only those locations to Bank 10.? When I get to the event, I activate Bank 10.? If I want, I can even have the radio scan just the event's frequencies.? How? When Bank 10 is enabled, the radio can only access the frequencies in the memories assigned to Bank 10
I use banks in another way.? There are three ways we identify frequency assignments in my area. One is obviously the?frequency.? The second is the?callsign. The last is the, hmm, code name or the function such as Red, Gold, <city>TAC, <city>MSG. I duplicate the settings for each frequency assignment into 3 separate memory locations providing a different Name or Tag for each location: frequency, callsign, and code function.? For example, one local repeater is on 146.230 with a -600kHz offset and a 100Hz CTCSS tone for transmit and for receive.? I store that once in memory location 11 with the tag "146230", a second time in location 311 with the tag "N6NFI", and once in location 711 with the tag "HOSPTL".? This means the radio transmits and receives the same way for these three memories.? The only difference is what I see on the radio's display.
I assign memory 11 to Bank 1, memory 311 to Bank 2, and memory 711 to Bank 3.? When I am in a situation where the Net Control is discussing frequencies, I enable Bank 1; when callsign is being discussed, I enable Bank 2; when tactical/usage/codeword, I enable Bank 3.? And finally, when I am working an event that only uses a few frequencies, I assign memory 11, 311, and 711 to Bank 10 (along with the other frequencies the event is using as I described above).? When I enable Bank 10, all 3 memories cause the radio to operate the same way yet when I turn the selector knob I can see all 3 tags.? Very useful when the event participants are, ahh, casual when discussing frequencies -> I can easily figure out what to do without translating.
I hope this helps
Andy
KI6SEP
p.s. Are you affiliated with the California Depart of Fires?? If so, I may have a contact within the group who might be able to help you in person.
On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 7:04?PM CalFire via <ebaniste1937=[email protected]> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]
Andy,
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Why not post here exactly what you do, step-by-step to accomplish my objective...
Andy,you have been extra helpful after being so disrespected. Good on you!
KU8Q
On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 9:56 PM, Andy KI6SEP
<ki6sep@...> wrote:
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a) I have attached the example that did not come through the other day.
b) I describe the steps I use to set up a Bank below
Sure!? I do not have the programming software you are using so I cannot list the steps for that software.? I can describe the steps I take manually directly on the radio, i.e. manually.
Load all the settings for a simplex or repeater configuration into a memory location.? Things like transmit frequency, receive frequency, CTCSS or DCS tone for transmit (if any),? CTCSS or DCS tone for receive (if any), etc.? I'm going to assume you know how to do this given that you've not asked about this.? You can do this manually or via the software - whatever works for you.
Repeat step (1) for all the frequencies that you care about.
You can confirm the memories are loaded by placing the radio in memory mode instead?of VFO mode, and rotating the selector knob.
Assigning a memory?to a Bank:
With the radio in Memory Mode, turn the selector knob to the first memory location that you want to assign to a memory bank.
Press and hold in the BAND(BAND DN) button for one second. -> that is the button below the 9 button?and to the right of the 0 button.
Rotate the Dial knob (a.k.a. the Selector knob) to select the Memory Bank you want to assign the memory location you selected in step 4.1
Press and hold the F/W button for 1 second to copy the memory channel to the Memory Bank.
You now have added one memory location to one bank.
Repeat steps 4.1 through 4.5 for the next memory location you want to assign to a Bank.
That's it.? One thing to note: you do not need to perform the steps of item 4 for all memories that you want to assign at one time; you can come back and add more memories/perform steps 4 later.
It really is that easy.
This is all covered in the "FT-60R Operating Manual" on page 33.? That page also described how to use/activate a Bank or to not use any Bank.
Although I do not have the RT Systems software and cannot describe how to set up banks with that software, I can describe how FT-60 Commander does that (because that is the software I have).? Please note: I am not suggesting FT60 Commander is better: it merely is the one I have.
Attached you will find my screen capture of the FT60 Commander software operating window which did not come thru?for you the other?day.? This software is easy to use,?and even easier?than the manual steps above. To add or remove a given memory to a Bank, I merely click on the cell in the memory's row and in the column of the bank of interest.? For example, the cell in row 3 for Bank 1 (which is just labelled "1") has been clicked and an X is shown.? This means the settings for "W4CDA" are assigned to Bank 1.? The X in column 10 shows W4CDA is also assigned to Bank 10.? The blanks in the columns for Banks 2 through 9 mean W4CDA will not be accessible (i.e. will be hidden) when any of those Banks are selected/enabled.? I suspect RT Systems software is similarly easy.? Again, the key is to store the settings in a memory location and then assign that memory location to a Bank; you do not store settings into a bank.
The steps for the FT60 Commander software are simple:
Set up the memories for all the frequencies of interest.
Click on the cells associated with a Bank for each memory you want?assigned to that Bank to get an?X to appear. Clock again to clear the X and remove the assignment to a Bank
Send the data to the radio.
How do I use Banks? I have one Bank with all my local frequencies assigned to it.? When I am participating in an event such as a Wine and Cheese?Festival, a Bicycle Ride, or something else, I assign the memory locations of the frequencies that the event will be using and only those locations to Bank 10.? When I get to the event, I activate Bank 10.? If I want, I can even have the radio scan just the event's frequencies.? How? When Bank 10 is enabled, the radio can only access the frequencies in the memories assigned to Bank 10
I use banks in another way.? There are three ways we identify frequency assignments in my area. One is obviously the?frequency.? The second is the?callsign. The last is the, hmm, code name or the function such as Red, Gold, <city>TAC, <city>MSG. I duplicate the settings for each frequency assignment into 3 separate memory locations providing a different Name or Tag for each location: frequency, callsign, and code function.? For example, one local repeater is on 146.230 with a -600kHz offset and a 100Hz CTCSS tone for transmit and for receive.? I store that once in memory location 11 with the tag "146230", a second time in location 311 with the tag "N6NFI", and once in location 711 with the tag "HOSPTL".? This means the radio transmits and receives the same way for these three memories.? The only difference is what I see on the radio's display.
I assign memory 11 to Bank 1, memory 311 to Bank 2, and memory 711 to Bank 3.? When I am in a situation where the Net Control is discussing frequencies, I enable Bank 1; when callsign is being discussed, I enable Bank 2; when tactical/usage/codeword, I enable Bank 3.? And finally, when I am working an event that only uses a few frequencies, I assign memory 11, 311, and 711 to Bank 10 (along with the other frequencies the event is using as I described above).? When I enable Bank 10, all 3 memories cause the radio to operate the same way yet when I turn the selector knob I can see all 3 tags.? Very useful when the event participants are, ahh, casual when discussing frequencies -> I can easily figure out what to do without translating.
I hope this helps
Andy
KI6SEP
p.s. Are you affiliated with the California Depart of Fires?? If so, I may have a contact within the group who might be able to help you in person.
On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 7:04?PM CalFire via <ebaniste1937=[email protected]> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]
Andy,
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Why not post here exactly what you do, step-by-step to accomplish my objective...
These look like the instructions for recalling a memory bank for
use rather than assigning channels to a memory bank.
73, Nick, AA3T
On 8/2/2024 8:36 PM, CalFire via
groups.io wrote:
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On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 05:13 PM, CalFire wrote:
Andy,
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Never got your "example". It's O.K., I'll contact R.T.
Systems...again.
I did find this R.T. Systems tutorial but the enclosed, from
their PDF. See Page 80 in the link below. The snip below makes
no sense to me...
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"Now that you have pressed and held the [BAND] key until
NOBANK appears,
you must keep moving. The radio will exit that mode rather
quickly. No
problem... just press and hold the [BAND] key again. Turn the
KNOB on top
to select the bank you want to use. Banks with a
number that does not blink contain
channels. A blinking number indicates an empty bank that
cannot be selected.
Once you find the one you want, press
the [V/M] key to save the
selection. If you want to be sure your selection was saved,
press the [V/M]
key to go to VFO mode then again to return to memory mode. When
you
return to memory mode the radio will display Bank # indicating
the working
bank.
So, that is a lot to sort through. Briefly, your key presses
are...
[BAND] (press and hold)
Turn KNOB to select the bank you want.
Press [V/M] to save
The radio will now operate as if it is programmed with only the
channels in that memory
bank"
?
?
"A blinking number indicates an empty bank that cannot be
selected."
?
ALL MY BANKS BLINK! So I can't use any of them? I just did a
factory reset!
?
How can they be unusable if I just did a factory reset? How
can a bank be "empty" and be unusable??
On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 6:07?PM Nick Rylatt via <rylatt.nm=[email protected]> wrote:
Just a thought...
These look like the instructions for recalling a memory bank for
use rather than assigning channels to a memory bank.
73, Nick, AA3T
On 8/2/2024 8:36 PM, CalFire via
wrote:
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On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 05:13 PM, CalFire wrote:
Andy,
?
Never got your "example". It's O.K., I'll contact R.T.
Systems...again.
I did find this R.T. Systems tutorial but the enclosed, from
their PDF. See Page 80 in the link below. The snip below makes
no sense to me...
?
?
"Now that you have pressed and held the [BAND] key until
NOBANK appears,
you must keep moving. The radio will exit that mode rather
quickly. No
problem... just press and hold the [BAND] key again. Turn the
KNOB on top
to select the bank you want to use. Banks with a
number that does not blink contain
channels. A blinking number indicates an empty bank that
cannot be selected.
Once you find the one you want, press
the [V/M] key to save the
selection. If you want to be sure your selection was saved,
press the [V/M]
key to go to VFO mode then again to return to memory mode. When
you
return to memory mode the radio will display Bank # indicating
the working
bank.
So, that is a lot to sort through. Briefly, your key presses
are...
[BAND] (press and hold)
Turn KNOB to select the bank you want.
Press [V/M] to save
The radio will now operate as if it is programmed with only the
channels in that memory
bank"
?
?
"A blinking number indicates an empty bank that cannot be
selected."
?
ALL MY BANKS BLINK! So I can't use any of them? I just did a
factory reset!
?
How can they be unusable if I just did a factory reset? How
can a bank be "empty" and be unusable??