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Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

I just use Walmart battery automotive disconnects and mostly spade lugs at varying current capacities ( things you can easily get anywhere =)

Necessity versus engineering /-)

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Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Clint Bradford via groups.io
Sent: December 31, 2021 5:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Yaesu-FT-60] PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

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SOURCE: First-hand experience, common sense, WB6NOA first-hand experience ...

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Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

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I am not condemning genuine Anderson Powerpoles. Nor their use by the?
amateur radio community. I, too, have used them for commercial clients (from?
our 15-20AH models, to those used by Crown forklift charging systems) - as well as?
for mobile emergency comms centers, and just good ole ham installations.


>> ... You had an isolated issue...


No - I didn’t author the laws of physics nor contact resistance.


..?Non genuine Anderson Power Pole terminals and/or housing ...

Not me. Genuine Powerpoles only from authorized Anderson dealers are the only ones?
we should be using.


"Anderson themselves addresses the phenomenon ...

  • Flat wiping contact system
    Allows for minimal contact resistance at high current, wiping action cleans contact surface during connection/disconnection."

You have taken that out of context completely.?



That is about as on-point a comment from Anderson on the exact models we are using in the?
ham radio community as one can get.?

Anderson is shut down for the weekend. I’ll call my rep next week and get back to you.


Clint Bradford




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Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 10:37 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
Anderson themselves addresses the phenomenon ...

  • Flat wiping contact system
    Allows for minimal contact resistance at high current, wiping action cleans contact surface during connection/disconnection.

And for the engineers ...

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/190591/what-causes-contact-resistance


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?You had an isolated issue, you cannot state "Not for Permanent Installations" because you had an issue.
I have worked with these for years in industry, they are used in mission critical UPS systems, medical life support, robotics, industrial automation and the list goes on.

If you had an issue then that is likely due to any of the following:

Non genuine Anderson Power Pole terminals and/or housing
Incorrectly terminated terminals
Wrong type of connecter for environment or wrong terminal plating. They are available in tin or silver plated.
Current capability exceeded for particular terminal or series of connector.

"Anderson themselves addresses the phenomenon ...

  • Flat wiping contact system
    Allows for minimal contact resistance at high current, wiping action cleans contact surface during connection/disconnection."

You have taken that out of context completely.?


Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

Anderson themselves acknowledge the phenomenon ...



And please - I hope no one saw my original post and interpreted it as, "DRAMATIC POWER LOSS?
WHEN USING POWERPOLES!!!!!" It is just a matter of physics ... and Anderson, too, promotes the?
"cleaning/wiping" of the models we're using in amateur radio.



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Clint Bradford K6LCS
http//www.work-sat.com


Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

Anderson themselves addresses the phenomenon ...

  • Flat wiping contact system
    Allows for minimal contact resistance at high current, wiping action cleans contact surface during connection/disconnection.

And for the engineers ...

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/190591/what-causes-contact-resistance


--
Clint Bradford K6LCS
http//www.work-sat.com


Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

SOURCE: First-hand experience, common sense, WB6NOA first-hand experience ...

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Clint Bradford K6LCS
http//www.work-sat.com


Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

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Yes, I’ve never heard this about PowerPoles until now.

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If that were a post full of medical assertions, I would ask for supporting evidence from peer-reviewed publications. I’m not sure if the electronics world has such a thing…

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dale Robins - 2W0ODS
Sent: December 31, 2021 5:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Yaesu-FT-60] PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

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Complete nonsense, stop spreading misinformation.


Re: PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

Complete nonsense, stop spreading misinformation.


PowerPoles - Not for Permanent Installations

 

A note on PowerPoles ... if not "used" (connecting/disconnecting) often, they
can develop resistance in that two-spring contact. Enough to slow or even stop
100-200mW loads.

Look at a cross-section of the contacts - and see how very little metal-to-metal
contact there actually is.

So - using for non-permanent installations, like taking equipment to events or?
for demos - is great. But if not "working" by disconnecting-connecting, the?
contacts can corrode and create a little resistance.
Tiny Jones' screw plug connectors are a great choice for shack installations.

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http//www.work-sat.com


Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

A fuse is appropriate between the barrel connector?and the Andersons.? Other than that, I think using the red & black Andersons for "12V" power is as much as standard as 120 VAC plugs and outlets are.

I'm fairly sure the use of Anderson power pole connectors?is a country-wide standard for "12V" (i.e.: 13.8 V nominal) usage, perhaps even by FEMA.? It certainly is for California OES,?
"State of California OES prescribes the Anderson Powerpole as the standard dc power connector for use by State ACS/RACES personnel, and recommends its use by County and City RACES personnel as well. County of Orange RACES and other RACES groups throughout California and the United States have now adopted this connector. Using this standard, highly reliable connector allows quick and easy installation and substitution of radios, power supplies, batteries, and other equipment."

A quick online search shows it is also the standard for Ohio, Massachusetts, Texas, Kentucky, etc.? I didn't dig deeper as the avalanche was rather convincing.

An important thing to do, of course, is to lock the black & red together?per the standard for additional protection => some people who use these connectors for other voltages will deliberately lock the black and red together in a different orientation so they cannot be misplugged!

I have a mnemonic to remember how to orient.? Knowing that the metal tab for the black and red are oriented on the same side of the connectors when joined, "Red Roof Right"? Red Roof is a motel chain so I can remember that => Red (positioned with the metal on the) Roof (is on the) Right.??

Andy
KI6SEP

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:16 AM Will W6SWF <2sheds@...> wrote:

Is there “failure to communicate” here?

I’m not sure I want to solder the bare leads of a Yaesu E-DC-6 to some Anderson powerpole connectors - even properly polarized - that might get hooked up to “who-knows-what” power source.? Where’s the voltage control?

Is the assumption that this powerpole lash-up is always used on a 12V DC source and no possibility of it being connected to some other power source?

Am I missing something here?

Sounds like an opportunity for great mischief.

Will W6SWF

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credo quia absurdum

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Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 08:15 AM, Will W6SWF wrote:
Where’s the voltage control?
Are you lending out your equipment unknown people?


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Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

The FT-60 is designed to take 6V - 16V DC


On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 16:16, Will W6SWF <2sheds@...> wrote:

Is there “failure to communicate” here?

I’m not sure I want to solder the bare leads of a Yaesu E-DC-6 to some Anderson powerpole connectors - even properly polarized - that might get hooked up to “who-knows-what” power source.? Where’s the voltage control?

Is the assumption that this powerpole lash-up is always used on a 12V DC source and no possibility of it being connected to some other power source?

Am I missing something here?

Sounds like an opportunity for great mischief.

Will W6SWF

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credo quia absurdum

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Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

I'm thinking same: 12v only.

Thanks again!


Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

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Interesting point, but if it were mine I wouldn't be worrying, I - and all my club and ARES friends - use them only on 12v.

-------- Original message --------
From: Will W6SWF <2sheds@...>
Date: 12/30/21 11:16 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Yaesu-FT-60] Andersen PowerPole connector?

Is there “failure to communicate” here?

I’m not sure I want to solder the bare leads of a Yaesu E-DC-6 to some Anderson powerpole connectors - even properly polarized - that might get hooked up to “who-knows-what” power source.? Where’s the voltage control?

Is the assumption that this powerpole lash-up is always used on a 12V DC source and no possibility of it being connected to some other power source?

Am I missing something here?

Sounds like an opportunity for great mischief.

Will W6SWF

?

credo quia absurdum

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Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

It is an HT ..... but if you want to make it universal with all of your Anderson Power Pole stuff use the same connector and FUSE the power cord correctly for the device /-)?? Ht ... two amps /-)


On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 10:40 AM Stuart Clark <stuclark@...> wrote:
Which connector do you recommend? 15A?

Thanks! And I appreciate all the other comments!

73,

W1SLC



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Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

Which connector do you recommend? 15A?

Thanks! And I appreciate all the other comments!

73,

W1SLC


Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

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Is there “failure to communicate” here?

I’m not sure I want to solder the bare leads of a Yaesu E-DC-6 to some Anderson powerpole connectors - even properly polarized - that might get hooked up to “who-knows-what” power source.? Where’s the voltage control?

Is the assumption that this powerpole lash-up is always used on a 12V DC source and no possibility of it being connected to some other power source?

Am I missing something here?

Sounds like an opportunity for great mischief.

Will W6SWF

?

credo quia absurdum

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Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

Thanks for the DC connector link. Any recommendations for a ferrite choke that should be used on the homemade FT-60R DC power cord to suppress noise when using in my running car?

73, Joe AD2DB

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 11:17 PM N5VMO Pat <n5vmo00@...> wrote:
That went well =)

Saves lots of money too =)


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Re: Andersen PowerPole connector?

 

That went well =)

Saves lots of money too =)


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73's Pat? N5VMO