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Need more selectivity
Hi, Y'all!? Long time Frog owner but first post here.? I'm hoping the collective can help me put this radio into mainstream use in the shack.
I have been trying to pair this up with a Heathkit DX-60A I just acquired and after a few attempted CQs it became clear selectivity is lacking.? I have had this radio for about 20 years and I re-capped it not too long after I bought it and besides the re-capping it is bone stock.? Are there any mods that might help with the selectivity like a crystal filter or some other wizardry. Thanks and 73, -- Justin B. KI5GKD |
Re: Not working and deaf
To start with, a complete alignment according to the service manual.
Op zondag 16 juli 2023 om 01:22:59 CEST schreef Chris Rogers via groups.io <crvee8@...>:
I have a FRG-7 that has the following non working symptoms. The Mhz led can be tuned out on the upper shortwave bands only, and a few stations can be heard at very low volume. The Mhz led does not go out on the lower bands and and no stations are heard.? Any clue on where to look for the fault would be appreciated. |
Re: Not working and deaf
The fault lays in the Wadley loop section . You need to ascertain the Mhz VFO is working, this runs from 55 mHz to 85 mHz. Because your lock light goes out at the higher frequencies, this oscillator seems to be working fine. The loop amplifiers then need to be checked, this can be done without any test equipment to get you in the ballpark.. Reduce the mHz tuning until the lock light begins to extinguish, and while watching its brilliance, carefully and SLOWLY adjust each coil slug looking for a greater dip in brilliance. The lock LED monitors the RF output amplitude? of the loop amplifier chain and is a very good indicator of output level. ? As this improves, tune further down in mHz frequency and repeat the adjustments until no further improvement. This applies to T109 through to T116. Do not fiddle with anything else, although this radio has quite possibly been a victim of the golden screwdriver. IF the band pass alignment was the issue, the radio will now receive signals. The main mHz tuning can next be aligned, also without any test equipment. Tuning in a known BC AM signal, the slug on the VHF VCO can be adjusted to bring the mHz tuning drum into alignment, and then tuning into a known signal in say, the CB band on 27 mHz, the trimmer capacitor can be adjusted to align the 27 mHz frequency to the correct dial setting. Once done, the signal BPF and third IF filters can be simply peaked on signal. On Sat, Jul 15, 2023, at 10:31 PM, Chris Rogers via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Not working and deaf
Do you have the manual with the alignment instructions? You need that and a nanoVNA and tinySA or two. The 2nd is for use as a signal generator. Connect CH0 of the nanoVNA to the antenna input attach a probe to CH1 and start tracing your way thru the radio doing the alignment. You'll either find or fix the fault in the process. At some point results won't match the instructions. Key traits: manual preselector Barlow-Wadley loop circuit use of harmonics of 1 MHz oscillator to change frequencies A good white noise source (NOT a BG7TBL!!!) will let you check the performance of the preselector with a tinySA. In fact, if budget is tight a tinySA and white noise source will do everything you need for under $100. A search on EEVblog for user rhb should find comparisons of the two noise sources. The one of this pattern https://www.ebay.com/itm/265453613573 that I have tested is quite flat to 1 GHz and then starts to roll of. Over the narrow spans and frequencies you need to use it will be perfectly flat. I've posted 8560A screen shots of the performance. The noise source should have a 2nd voltage regulator as the MIMICs are being fed unregulated input power and it's particular about what you feed it. I plan to add a LiPo and charger. My FRG-7 is on loan at the moment. It was the first radio I ever did an alignment on for the simple reason I didn't have the needed instruments. I very much enjoyed it. I redid it a 2nd time just to be sure I had it right and to catch any potential coupling problems between stages. Just make sure you have the correct adjusting tools as you don't want to damage a tuning slug. Basic procedure outline check the operation of the preselector with the noise source. You should see the peak back and forth on the SA. and it should be of uniform amplitude at the preselector output. Then check at the mixer input to see the signal amplitude is constant check the LO input to the mixer and the output. Then align the harmonic oscillator chain. Use a magnifying glass and check for craks or solder flux residue. If you observe cracking or corrosion I recommend fluxing the entire board and reflowing it with a hot air gun. If there's one you, see there are many you don't. Have Fun! Reg On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 06:22:59 PM CDT, Chris Rogers via groups.io <crvee8@...> wrote: I have a FRG-7 that has the following non working symptoms. The Mhz led can be tuned out on the upper shortwave bands only, and a few stations can be heard at very low volume. The Mhz led does not go out on the lower bands and and no stations are heard.? Any clue on where to look for the fault would be appreciated. |
Re: Not working and deaf
Chirs you will likely get a hundred different answers. I had a FRG-7 that was deaf. It turned?out to be coil L101. This is a large multi segmented coil. The problem was the ends of the coil are wire wrapped into the circuit. Even though the wire wrapped posts looked sound it failed electrically. I had to clean the connection with flux multiple times and then solder it in place. Radio works fine now. Good Luck, Bruce On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 4:22?PM Chris Rogers via <crvee8=[email protected]> wrote: I have a FRG-7 that has the following non working symptoms. The Mhz led can be tuned out on the upper shortwave bands only, and a few stations can be heard at very low volume. The Mhz led does not go out on the lower bands and and no stations are heard.? |
Not working and deaf
Chris Rogers
I have a FRG-7 that has the following non working symptoms. The Mhz led can be tuned out on the upper shortwave bands only, and a few stations can be heard at very low volume. The Mhz led does not go out on the lower bands and and no stations are heard.?
Any clue on where to look for the fault would be appreciated. |
Re: Almost ready to give up but...
Buy an nanoVNA from a reputable dealer like R&L and follow the manual procedure. Twice. The circuits interact so the 2nd pass is to compensate for that. You're unlikely to see significant change on the 2nd pass, but it's a good feeling to see all the test points as they should be. On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 09:18:31 PM CDT, Pentagrid <dayleedwards@...> wrote: I am beginning to think this radio is actually fine, it has been misaligned.? The VFO, "mHz tuning" should span from 55.5 to 84.5 mHz.? The first IF should be centered on 55 mHz, this can be checked by feeding in a small signal into the IF chain and monitoring the output at the second mixer. The Wadley loop section should be centered at 52.5 mHz, this is checked at the source of the second mixer.? The difference frequency between 55 mHz and 52.5 mHz is 2.5 mHz, the center frequency of the second tuneable IF.? When peaking/adjusting these IFs, use a very low amplitude signal as not to overload any part of the circuitry. Its just a process of elimination and perseverance........ |
Re: Almost ready to give up but...
I am beginning to think this radio is actually fine, it has been misaligned.? The VFO, "mHz tuning" should span from 55.5 to 84.5 mHz.? The first IF should be centered on 55 mHz, this can be checked by feeding in a small signal into the IF chain and monitoring the output at the second mixer. The Wadley loop section should be centered at 52.5 mHz, this is checked at the source of the second mixer.? The difference frequency between 55 mHz and 52.5 mHz is 2.5 mHz, the center frequency of the second tuneable IF.? When peaking/adjusting these IFs, use a very low amplitude signal as not to overload any part of the circuitry. Its just a process of elimination and perseverance........
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Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
The demise of SW broadcasting has been very sad. Bill was a UASF radio operator before getting a PhD and becoming a professor of entomology. He's now in the memory care unit where my brother in-law is staying. Poor guy is surrounded by zombies who don't know who or where they are. He has issues, but nothing like the others. I had an FRG-7 I had aligned sitting on the shelf and thought he might have fun fooling with it. Cost about $3 for the wire. On Monday, May 22, 2023, 12:01:30 PM CDT, KA2ING <ptim15@...> wrote: just a thought, since there is so LITTLE SW activity today and HF hasn't been the best since march may you could look at other options. Maybe a digital hotspot and a small HT Allstar, Dstar, Echolink, IRLP, DMR, Wires-x, Fusion, P25, NXDN...... on and on and on... just a thought tim KA2ING From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Reginald Beardsley via groups.io <pulaskite@...> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 11:17 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Yaesu-FRG-7] Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting ? No idea at all. I stapled 100 ft of #26 stranded wire to Bill's ceiling today in a rectangular pattern and ran out of wire just before i ran out of ceiling. I'll go check how it's doing tomorrow. It was really a "I have an IEC EMI socket" and it provided ground and power line common mode EMI suppression. It's very much an "actual miles may vary" world. On Sunday, May 21, 2023, 09:54:17 PM CDT, Dave Morris via groups.io <dcm18@...> wrote: Re the EMI filter did you find this to be a benefit and if so what noise did it help with? On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 01:03:21 PM MST, Robbie Megaw <koonektid@...> wrote: Great thanks for the info, much appreciated? On Mon, May 1, 2023, 7:35 AM Reginald Beardsley via <pulaskite=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
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just a thought, since there is so LITTLE SW activity today and HF hasn't been the best since march may you could look at other options. Maybe a digital hotspot and a small HT Allstar, Dstar, Echolink, IRLP, DMR, Wires-x, Fusion, P25, NXDN...... on and on and
on... just a thought
tim KA2ING
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Reginald Beardsley via groups.io <pulaskite@...>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 11:17 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Yaesu-FRG-7] Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting ?
No idea at all. I stapled 100 ft of #26 stranded wire to Bill's ceiling today in a rectangular pattern and ran out of wire just before i ran out of ceiling. I'll go check how it's doing tomorrow.
It was really a "I have an IEC EMI socket" and it provided ground and power line common mode EMI suppression. It's very much an "actual miles may vary" world. On Sunday, May 21, 2023, 09:54:17 PM CDT, Dave Morris via groups.io <dcm18@...> wrote:
Re the EMI filter did you find this to be a benefit and if so what noise did it help with?
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 01:03:21 PM MST, Robbie Megaw <koonektid@...> wrote:
Great thanks for the info, much appreciated?
On Mon, May 1, 2023, 7:35 AM Reginald Beardsley via
<pulaskite=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
No idea at all. I stapled 100 ft of #26 stranded wire to Bill's ceiling today in a rectangular pattern and ran out of wire just before i ran out of ceiling. I'll go check how it's doing tomorrow. It was really a "I have an IEC EMI socket" and it provided ground and power line common mode EMI suppression. It's very much an "actual miles may vary" world. On Sunday, May 21, 2023, 09:54:17 PM CDT, Dave Morris via groups.io <dcm18@...> wrote: Re the EMI filter did you find this to be a benefit and if so what noise did it help with? On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 01:03:21 PM MST, Robbie Megaw <koonektid@...> wrote: Great thanks for the info, much appreciated? On Mon, May 1, 2023, 7:35 AM Reginald Beardsley via <pulaskite=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
Re the EMI filter did you find this to be a benefit and if so what noise did it help with?
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 01:03:21 PM MST, Robbie Megaw <koonektid@...> wrote:
Great thanks for the info, much appreciated? On Mon, May 1, 2023, 7:35 AM Reginald Beardsley via <pulaskite=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll have an SDR H field probes, spectrum analyzer etc. available. It will take Bill a while to learn to operate the FRG-7 so I'm going go with ~85' of wire stapled to the ceiling with very lightweight staples to start with and then I'll hang out with him with my Icom 705 connected to the same antenna through a splitter. The waterfall on the 705 will be very helpful in helping teach him to operate the FRG-7. Though he was a USAF radio operator. So the PLL and preselector may be perfectly natural to him. Reg On Monday, May 1, 2023, 01:49:23 PM CDT, Laurence Taylor <g7mzh@...> wrote: Reginald Beardsley <pulaskite@...> wrote: > I've been prepping my FRG-7 to lend to a gentleman who lives in a 12 > x 13 ft room in a nursing facility.. > > I'm looking for suggestions of what sort of antenna to set up for > him. I'm assuming he won't be allowed to have an outside aerial (though it might be worth asking - there's a care home near me that has allowed two residents to fit outside aerials). In which case, the simplest solution would be a wire going along a wall or two at ceiling level, with some sort of preselector if you have one. Better would be a loop, perhaps active, though getting (or making) one that will cover all the bands might take some tracking down. It's likely that his main problem will be local interference from TVs, switch-mode PSUs and so on rather than weak incoming signal. > Do I need to connect to all 3 ports or just one? The SW1 and SW2 terminals are connected together. They are connected to the BC terminal via a small capacitor. I find it easier to connect the aerial to the SO239 socket and add a wire link between SW2 and BC - with out this the sensitivity on MW will be reduced. -- rgds LAurence <>< I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup! ~~~ Random (signature) 1.6.1 |
Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
Reginald Beardsley <pulaskite@...> wrote:
I've been prepping my FRG-7 to lend to a gentleman who lives in a 12I'm assuming he won't be allowed to have an outside aerial (though it might be worth asking - there's a care home near me that has allowed two residents to fit outside aerials). In which case, the simplest solution would be a wire going along a wall or two at ceiling level, with some sort of preselector if you have one. Better would be a loop, perhaps active, though getting (or making) one that will cover all the bands might take some tracking down. It's likely that his main problem will be local interference from TVs, switch-mode PSUs and so on rather than weak incoming signal. Do I need to connect to all 3 ports or just one?The SW1 and SW2 terminals are connected together. They are connected to the BC terminal via a small capacitor. I find it easier to connect the aerial to the SO239 socket and add a wire link between SW2 and BC - with out this the sensitivity on MW will be reduced. -- rgds LAurence <>< I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup! ~~~ Random (signature) 1.6.1 |
Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
Robbie Megaw
Great thanks for the info, much appreciated? On Mon, May 1, 2023, 7:35 AM Reginald Beardsley via <pulaskite=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
I made a cardboard template that just fit the socket. I moved it around until I found a good location surrounding the power outlet and marked it off with Magic Marker. I then used a nibbler to cut the bulk of the metal away followed by some clean up with a file. If you have any interest in the radio as a collector's item I recommend mounting an EMI filter under the power transformer. I was going to do that and had even mounted the filter, but then I realized I could find the IEC socket. Finding a cable clamp to fit would be a long exercise in "hunt the wumpus". And I like IEC sockets whereas I despise permanent cords. The nibblers are shown on top. I actually used one of the yellow handle ones with the spring and clamp removed for some of the detail work because I didn't have the other at the time. On Sunday, April 30, 2023, 12:53:29 AM CDT, Robbie Megaw <koonektid@...> wrote: Hi, could you please document or show some pictures of how you did the emi socket I also have being thinking of doing the same as i have a spare emi socket sitting here unused at the moment How did you cut the metal chassis etc? Thanks On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:56?AM Reginald Beardsley via <pulaskite=[email protected]> wrote: I've been prepping my FRG-7 to lend to a gentleman who lives in a 12 x 13 ft room in a nursing facility.. |
Re: Antenna recommendation for nursing home setting
With mine I was very impressed that it was quieter than my long wire, as being completely off grid rural, I? suffer horrendous interference from the PV controllers. I bought this just? to try, and now is? in constant daytime use. There are a few dips and bumps in its frequency range, but nothing of consequence. Circuit wise, it uses a balanced video amplifier IC , so any common mode noise, ie, local noise is cancelled to a large degree.. I recommend opening the unit and turning the gain down to improve the signal to noise ratio. There is no need for the 20 or so dB gain it is capable of.??
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