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Lodi-con with YD7001 via Z21 protocol - bug?


 

I have the very nice Lodi-Con Controller ()....that was advertised to work with any Z21 protocol station. The unit has huge potential but there seems to be one issue, and the company that makes it blames Roco and a bug in the Z21 protocol. To get it to even function you have to set it to ignore data coming from the command station and only send data. This means some of its features don't work (like acceleration and deacceleration) which is a shame. I wonder if Karst knows anything about this? Is this something you can fix for the YD7001?
Heres the message from the manufacture:
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yes, I'm aware of the YD7001. However, it also just uses the official Z21 protocol, so it doesn't matter whether it's a Z21, YD7001, MD, or any other control unit with the Z21 protocol. For example, our LoDi-Rektor can also use Z21, and it doesn’t work there either because the speed steps get mixed up in the protocol, and the response from the control unit differs from what the handheld controller has set.

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Yes, that's exactly how it's intended to work in LoDi-Con, and it also works with Ecos, LoDi, CS from M?rklin, and Lenz. However, as mentioned above, the problem with the Z21 arises here. The control unit sends back only garbage to the handheld controller, hence the inconsistency.

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Thanks Eddie


 

I find this response for Lodi rather surprising given that the Z21 protocol is an openly published document and has been used by many other companies to develop items and not of them seem to have an issue with bidirectional traffic between a Z21 and their product.

As an example I use iTrain which interfaces to the Z21 without issue and that is very bidirectional.

This sounds like a blame game by Lodi to cover up their inadequacy within the controller.


Many Thanks

Iain Morrison


On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 at 02:27, Reded via <smartfxsoftware=[email protected]> wrote:
I have the very nice Lodi-Con Controller ()....that was advertised to work with any Z21 protocol station. The unit has huge potential but there seems to be one issue, and the company that makes it blames Roco and a bug in the Z21 protocol. To get it to even function you have to set it to ignore data coming from the command station and only send data. This means some of its features don't work (like acceleration and deacceleration) which is a shame. I wonder if Karst knows anything about this? Is this something you can fix for the YD7001?
Heres the message from the manufacture:
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yes, I'm aware of the YD7001. However, it also just uses the official Z21 protocol, so it doesn't matter whether it's a Z21, YD7001, MD, or any other control unit with the Z21 protocol. For example, our LoDi-Rektor can also use Z21, and it doesn’t work there either because the speed steps get mixed up in the protocol, and the response from the control unit differs from what the handheld controller has set.

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Yes, that's exactly how it's intended to work in LoDi-Con, and it also works with Ecos, LoDi, CS from M?rklin, and Lenz. However, as mentioned above, the problem with the Z21 arises here. The control unit sends back only garbage to the handheld controller, hence the inconsistency.

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Thanks Eddie

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 01:15 AM, Iain Morrison wrote:
This sounds like a blame game by Lodi to cover up their inadequacy within the controller.
That is my impression :) I would any employee of mine, that would say this to me, fire instantaenously? :O :O
And.. I think it's a very "cocky" reaction.?

But for the "problem": If LoDi(-con) does not understand what a commandstation is sending, doesn't seem to me a CS problem...? As far as I know ALL (!!) other Z21 App and Applications DO understand this garbage.
Anyhow, I would be very willing to take a look. Provided a) LoDo sends me a free LoDi-Con, b) tells me what their problem is.

Further: Whjat they advertise is:

  • LoDi-Rektor
  • LoDi-Shift-Commander
  • LoDi-S88-Commander
  • z21 und alle Zentralen die das Z21-Protokoll unterstützen
  • M?rklin CS2/3
  • XpressNet
  • ESU ECoS?
  • WiThrottle
  • Loconet (in Vorbereitung)
of which:

  • z21 und alle Zentralen die das Z21-Protokoll unterstützen
  • XpressNet
  • WiThrottle
  • Loconet (in Vorbereitung)
can be used with the YD7001 ;) So I am curious whether these protocols also send "garbage" ... ;) :P


Greets,
Karst


 

Thanks Karst
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I do have your email from a previous correspondence. Would you mind if I replied to them adding you to the cc?
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Cheers Eddie


 

no problem