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Re: I-Z58

 

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Try this website for determining when and where your ancestors were
Make sure you look at the SNP tab too. ?If you take the BigY700 test, you’ll be able to get further SNPs down the trail.

Best,
Chris

On Feb 20, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Mats Ahlgren <ma.ahlgren@...> wrote:

A rather simple explanation for the I-Y6375 amerindian part is that one person hasn’t the heritage he thinks, Somewhere in his line is an European ancestor. That is always the case when using user submitted information. The best with this is that the user now see that this is probably not right??


Mats
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Fr?n:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?F?r?E Avery
Skickat:?den 20 februari 2021 23:29
Till:?[email protected]
?mne:?Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] I-Z58
?
Hi Keith, Aaron,
?
My father’s FTDNA results are Z63 [but not Z58], with the terminal at I-BY40648.
?
His results are unusual, lacking in non-surname matches (a known cousin is 35/37 match). There are zero matches to his terminal SNP.
?
I don’t have a good understanding of the haplogroup trees, but I had hoped through to identify a geographic region of origin for my male line. After looking at the results, it’s my understanding that the identification of regions associated with a haplogroup are based on the information provided by people who have tested. If that’s true, I would expect to find errors (due to incorrect family documentation) and large gaps (due to lack of participants) in the knowledge base. France, for instance is seriously under-represented in genetic test results.
?
Can anyone suggest the implications of zero matches at the terminal SNP?
?
I would also appreciate an insight in understanding how people from the UK would be downstream of a Native American. It flows like this, downstream of I-Z63:?
??????????????????????I-Y6375 Amerindian ancestry >?I-Y13945?UK ancestry >?I-BY40648 (my father)
?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions!
?
Best,
Eileen
?
On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Keith Harris <ksharris1@...> wrote:
?
Hi Aaron,
? ?There was a flurry of interest?in?Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is?"I1>Z63+ and?I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.)
?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results:

M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-,?P30+, L22-, L338-,?Z63+, Z131-, Z58-,?L840+,?DF29+, L1243-,?L1237+, CTS7416-,?L1439+

Best, Keith
?
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill <hillaj@...> wrote:
Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?

Aaron?
?
?
?
Re: I-Z58

 

There is no reason for me to take the BigY700 test. Another Hill cousin has already tested Z58+. Other cousins have tested DF29+.
M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

 

I have studied the SNPs in my most closest matches. There appear to be two distinct subclades as of now.

M253 > DF29 > Z58 > A5734 > BY152625 > BY155598
?
and
?
M253 > DF29 > Z58 > A5734 > FT90664

Unfortunately, Family Tree DNA does not offer these in the Z58 package for some reason.

I1 - Z58 SNP Pack

Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:

Z59, Z138, Z139, FGC3447, PF2805, S5619, FGC3466, FGC3481, FGC3491, F2011, Y11873, Y11214, Y11213, Y11212, Y11211, Y8434, Y8433, A6849, A6835, A6827, A6830, A6832, A6839, A6846, Y8432, Y8431, Y8430, Y8429, Y7634, BY1, A6482, S2293, S6277, Y15575, Y15576, Y15577, Y15902, Y15903, S6270, S6275, S20289, A6549, S27836, Y16451, A6553, A6558, A6579, A6583, A6586, A6591, A6592, A6606, A6397, A6552, A6779, A6546, A6781, S6402, Z382, Y5384, Y15694, Z2040, Z58, A285, FGC12741, FGC12742, FGC12744, FGC12748, FGC12752, FGC12754, FGC12755, FGC12757, FGC12759, FGC12760, FGC12763, FGC12764, FGC24330, L1450, L1451, L1452, PH4774, PH5206, S15398, S16501, S18311, S20488, S26361, Y15002, Y15003, Y15004, Y15005, Y15011, Y15013, Y15479, Y15480, Y15482, Y15484, Y15485, Y15596, Y15597, Y16456, Y18238, Y18310, Y18386, Y2170, Y3564, Y3573, Y4111, Y5385, Y5387, Y5390, Y5391, Y6085, Y6086, Y6088, Y6089, Y6090, Y6091, Y6092, Y6165, Y6708, Y7040, Y7041, Y7042, Y7043, Y7044, Y7049, Y7052, Y7055, Y7056, Y7057, Y7232, Y7233, Y7927, Y7931, Y8341, Y8342, Y8343, Y8777, Y8778, Y8779, Y8780, Z2037, Z2039, Z2041, Z2042

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:

PF1610, PF856, Y18237
Re: M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

 

What is so frustrating is that none of these SNPs in question — A5734, BY152625, BY155598, FT90664?—?are offered for testing by FTDNA, without doing the BigY700, which is expensive and unnecessary in this instance.
Re: M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

 

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Why don't you create a customizes Yseq panel?



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-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
Van: Aaron Hill <hillaj@...>
Datum: 21/02/21 09:36 (GMT+01:00)
Onderwerp: Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

What is so frustrating is that none of these SNPs in question — A5734, BY152625, BY155598, FT90664?—?are offered for testing by FTDNA, without doing the BigY700, which is expensive and unnecessary in this instance.
Re: M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

 

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How does one do that and how will it benefit our little group?

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Hans De Beule <hans.debeule@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:34:49 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?
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Why don't you create a customizes Yseq panel?



Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy



-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
Van: Aaron Hill <hillaj@...>
Datum: 21/02/21 09:36 (GMT+01:00)
Onderwerp: Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

What is so frustrating is that none of these SNPs in question — A5734, BY152625, BY155598, FT90664?—?are offered for testing by FTDNA, without doing the BigY700, which is expensive and unnecessary in this instance.
Re: M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

 

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Check out Custom Panels at:

You could create a panel with all the specific SNPs of your little group, including the known private SNPs.

If all/most members (with unknown results for these SNPs) order this panel the resolution will increase. If the SNPs that you want to order are not available you simply can ask to add them to the SNP list.

Best,

Hans


Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Aaron Hill <hillaj@...>
Verzonden: zondag 21 februari 2021 10:37
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Onderwerp: Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?
?
How does one do that and how will it benefit our little group?

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Hans De Beule <hans.debeule@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:34:49 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?
?
Why don't you create a customizes Yseq panel?



Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy



-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
Van: Aaron Hill <hillaj@...>
Datum: 21/02/21 09:36 (GMT+01:00)
Onderwerp: Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

What is so frustrating is that none of these SNPs in question — A5734, BY152625, BY155598, FT90664?—?are offered for testing by FTDNA, without doing the BigY700, which is expensive and unnecessary in this instance.
Re: I-Z58

 

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Chris,?

Wow, that is a slick website. ?Thanks for posting the link. I had never seen it before.

Jim Robeson,?

I1a-M253 > DF29 > CTS6364 > S4795 > S4767 > S4770 > Y13495/Y13016 > Y29634/S4774?> A13294

Mito-H1e1a

On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Amaden Home <chris@...> wrote:

?Try this website for determining when and where your ancestors were
Make sure you look at the SNP tab too. ?If you take the BigY700 test, you’ll be able to get further SNPs down the trail.

Best,
Chris

On Feb 20, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Mats Ahlgren <ma.ahlgren@...> wrote:

A rather simple explanation for the I-Y6375 amerindian part is that one person hasn’t the heritage he thinks, Somewhere in his line is an European ancestor. That is always the case when using user submitted information. The best with this is that the user now see that this is probably not right??


Mats
?
Fr?n:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?F?r?E Avery
Skickat:?den 20 februari 2021 23:29
Till:?[email protected]
?mne:?Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] I-Z58
?
Hi Keith, Aaron,
?
My father’s FTDNA results are Z63 [but not Z58], with the terminal at I-BY40648.
?
His results are unusual, lacking in non-surname matches (a known cousin is 35/37 match). There are zero matches to his terminal SNP.
?
I don’t have a good understanding of the haplogroup trees, but I had hoped through to identify a geographic region of origin for my male line. After looking at the results, it’s my understanding that the identification of regions associated with a haplogroup are based on the information provided by people who have tested. If that’s true, I would expect to find errors (due to incorrect family documentation) and large gaps (due to lack of participants) in the knowledge base. France, for instance is seriously under-represented in genetic test results.
?
Can anyone suggest the implications of zero matches at the terminal SNP?
?
I would also appreciate an insight in understanding how people from the UK would be downstream of a Native American. It flows like this, downstream of I-Z63:?
??????????????????????I-Y6375 Amerindian ancestry >?I-Y13945?UK ancestry >?I-BY40648 (my father)
?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions!
?
Best,
Eileen
?
On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Keith Harris <ksharris1@...> wrote:
?
Hi Aaron,
? ?There was a flurry of interest?in?Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is?"I1>Z63+ and?I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.)
?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results:

M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-,?P30+, L22-, L338-,?Z63+, Z131-, Z58-,?L840+,?DF29+, L1243-,?L1237+, CTS7416-,?L1439+

Best, Keith
?
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill <hillaj@...> wrote:
Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?

Aaron?
?
?
?
Re: I-Z58

 

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Thank, Jim
Aaron - here’s another website that may predict what your terminal SNP will be based on STR results. ?Let us know if that moves you down the tree any.

Best,
Chris



On Feb 21, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Jim E Robeson <robeson.jim.e@...> wrote:

Chris,?

Wow, that is a slick website. ?Thanks for posting the link. I had never seen it before.

Jim Robeson,?

I1a-M253 > DF29 > CTS6364 > S4795 > S4767 > S4770 > Y13495/Y13016 > Y29634/S4774?> A13294

Mito-H1e1a

On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Amaden Home <chris@...> wrote:

?Try this website for determining when and where your ancestors were
Make sure you look at the SNP tab too. ?If you take the BigY700 test, you’ll be able to get further SNPs down the trail.

Best,
Chris

On Feb 20, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Mats Ahlgren <ma.ahlgren@...> wrote:

A rather simple explanation for the I-Y6375 amerindian part is that one person hasn’t the heritage he thinks, Somewhere in his line is an European ancestor. That is always the case when using user submitted information. The best with this is that the user now see that this is probably not right??


Mats
?
Fr?n:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?F?r?E Avery
Skickat:?den 20 februari 2021 23:29
Till:?[email protected]
?mne:?Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] I-Z58
?
Hi Keith, Aaron,
?
My father’s FTDNA results are Z63 [but not Z58], with the terminal at I-BY40648.
?
His results are unusual, lacking in non-surname matches (a known cousin is 35/37 match). There are zero matches to his terminal SNP.
?
I don’t have a good understanding of the haplogroup trees, but I had hoped through to identify a geographic region of origin for my male line. After looking at the results, it’s my understanding that the identification of regions associated with a haplogroup are based on the information provided by people who have tested. If that’s true, I would expect to find errors (due to incorrect family documentation) and large gaps (due to lack of participants) in the knowledge base. France, for instance is seriously under-represented in genetic test results.
?
Can anyone suggest the implications of zero matches at the terminal SNP?
?
I would also appreciate an insight in understanding how people from the UK would be downstream of a Native American. It flows like this, downstream of I-Z63:?
??????????????????????I-Y6375 Amerindian ancestry >?I-Y13945?UK ancestry >?I-BY40648 (my father)
?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions!
?
Best,
Eileen
?
On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Keith Harris <ksharris1@...> wrote:
?
Hi Aaron,
? ?There was a flurry of interest?in?Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is?"I1>Z63+ and?I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.)
?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results:

M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-,?P30+, L22-, L338-,?Z63+, Z131-, Z58-,?L840+,?DF29+, L1243-,?L1237+, CTS7416-,?L1439+

Best, Keith
?
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill <hillaj@...> wrote:
Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?

Aaron?
?
?
?
Re: I-Z58

 

This site only gives a generic I1 based on my STR results. I am going to try??instead.
Re: I-Z58

 

I am not sure how accurate and relevant these designations are anymore, but here are my results:

Haplo-I Subclades and probabilities are as follows:
I-M253-T13 =>29%? I-M253-AS1H =>22%? I-M253-AS9a =>13%? I-M253-ND =>11%? I-M253-ASgen =>10%? I-M253-AS1 =>4%? I-L22-N =>4%? I-L22-Bothnia =>3%? I-M253-AS6 =>2%??
Re: M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

 

I discovered two mutations on?, so I am updating the info here.
M253 > DF29 > A5716 > A5726 > A5734 > BY152625 > BY155598
?
M253 > DF29 > A5716 > A5726 > A5734 > FT90664

-- Aaron
Re: M253+ > DF29+ > Z58+ > A5734?

 

There is some confusion about the placement of Z58. It is excluded on these maps, but I do think the following is accurate.

M253 > DF29 > Z58 > A5716 > A5726 > A5734 > BY152625 > BY155598
?
M253 > DF29 > Z58 > A5716 > A5726 > A5734 > FT90664

-- Aaron
Y DNA Haplogroup Comparisons

 

Is there a way to compare one terminal haplogroup with another to determine if one is ancestral to the other? Is there a web site to easily do the comparison ?

Jim Robeson, I1a-M253 > DF29 > CTS6364 > S4795 > S4767 > S4770 > Y13495/Y13016 > Y29634/S4774 > A13294
Re: Y DNA Haplogroup Comparisons

 

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You most simple way is to use the "search on this page" function of your browser in the YFull tree.

Best,
Hans



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-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
Van: Jim E Robeson <robeson.jim.e@...>
Datum: 21/06/21 05:18 (GMT+01:00)
Onderwerp: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] Y DNA Haplogroup Comparisons

Is there a way to compare one terminal haplogroup with another to determine if one is ancestral to the other?? Is there a web site to easily do the comparison ?

Jim Robeson,? I1a-M253 > DF29 > CTS6364 > S4795 > S4767 > S4770 > Y13495/Y13016 > Y29634/S4774 > A13294

Re: Y DNA Haplogroup Comparisons

 

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The same can be done on FTDNA’s Y-DNA Haplotree. Their tree is in fact bigger than Y’full’s

Mats

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Fr?n: [email protected] <[email protected]> F?r Hans De Beule
Skickat: den 21 juni 2021 08:26
Till: [email protected]
?mne: Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] Y DNA Haplogroup Comparisons

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You most simple way is to use the "search on this page" function of your browser in the YFull tree.

?

Best,

Hans

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-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------

Van: Jim E Robeson <robeson.jim.e@...>

Datum: 21/06/21 05:18 (GMT+01:00)

Onderwerp: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I] Y DNA Haplogroup Comparisons

?

Is there a way to compare one terminal haplogroup with another to determine if one is ancestral to the other?? Is there a web site to easily do the comparison ?

Jim Robeson,? I1a-M253 > DF29 > CTS6364 > S4795 > S4767 > S4770 > Y13495/Y13016 > Y29634/S4774 > A13294
Terminal Haplogroup

 

Keep your eyes on FTDNA… They just gave me a new Terminal Haplogroup! The YFull tree hasn’t caught up yet. The Big Y test was worth it, for sure.

Jim Robeson,

I1a-M253 > DF29 > CTS6364 > S4795 > S4767 > S4770 > Y13495/Y13016 > Y29634/S4774 > A13294 > FTA86767

Mito-H1e1a
Re: Ken Nordtvedt

 

Tons of Ken's file's listed here
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AG9vK41G%2DOOujfQ&id=8B35ADFFC37790D0%2189654&cid=8B35ADFFC37790D0
Re: Ken Nordtvedt

 

use Wayback Machine


On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:54 PM Aaron Hill <hillaj@...> wrote:
I have looked for archived copies of Ken's site, which is now offline, but without much success. Anyone know of people who have saved material from his old site? I am particularly interested in this document,?.





Aaron
Re: Ken Nordtvedt

 

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That is what I used. Look at the first link.

Aaron


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use Wayback Machine

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:54 PM Aaron Hill <hillaj@...> wrote:

I have looked for archived copies of Ken's site, which is now offline, but without much success. Anyone know of people who have saved material from his old site? I am particularly interested in this document,?.
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