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bassetite Si-PIN


 

George,

Merry Xmas!

When you get a chance could you run the bassetite again with Si-PIN?? I would like to verify that Y peak and also the Fe content.

Thanks
Charles


 

Seems it was not radioactive enough for much to show, I did do XRF did you see that?


----- Original Message -----
From: Charles David Young <charlesdavidyoung@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:49:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [XRF] bassetite Si-PIN

George,

Merry Xmas!

When you get a chance could you run the bassetite again with Si-PIN?? I would like to verify that Y peak and also the Fe content.

Thanks
Charles




 

Perhaps this is a job for Am241?? I think I saw it and didn't bother to create an image. If Am241 does not work I could send you a larger piece that I collected last Sat.

El El mi¨¦, dic. 25, 2019 a la(s) 12:15 p.?m., <GEOelectronics@...> escribi¨®:
Seems it was not radioactive enough for much to show, I did do XRF did you see that?


----- Original Message -----
From: Charles David Young <charlesdavidyoung@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:49:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [XRF] bassetite Si-PIN

George,

Merry Xmas!

When you get a chance could you run the bassetite again with Si-PIN?? I would like to verify that Y peak and also the Fe content.

Thanks
Charles




 

Yes did Am X8- .mca attached.


 

George

I really don't see anything in this .mca.? The data is all 0's.

Charles


On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:51 PM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Yes did Am X8- .mca attached.


 

checking...

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles David Young <charlesdavidyoung@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 17:39:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [XRF] bassetite Si-PIN

George

I really don't see anything in this .mca.? The data is all 0's.

Charles

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:51 PM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Yes did Am X8- .mca attached.









 

Ok The previous file is the one for self excited, nothing there to see. This one should be the XRF is that the one you wanted?


Fe at 6.4 is predominant

Geo.


 

Thanks, George.? Looks like there could be some Nb and Y but they are not very strong.? There are euxenite-Y and samarskite-Y reported from this locality so I guess it is not surprising to see traces of these elements.

Charles


On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 4:04 PM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Ok The previous file is the one for self excited, nothing there to see. This one should be the XRF is that the one you wanted?


Fe at 6.4 is predominant

Geo.


 

Update- Bassetite, Si-PIN in new chamber, 10mins 40kV/30uA.

Does Bassetite normally contain Rb and Sr?

I'll crank it up and look at the lanthanides next..

Geo>K0FF


 

Seems shorter runs with higher HV and lower uA make a better scan, like Dudley mentioned about pileup. On this one, set the HV all the way up, brought the uA up until deadtime started showing, set uA for 2.5% D.T.

Displayed in LOG mode, this is way too complicated to analyze by eye, I think. Analysis was with Ka1 library only, will do again for Kb, La, Lb when time allows. Several elements do show both K and L peaks. As much setup data as possible? included for the record.
,mca attached.

Bassetite-Analysis_Setup-53kV-40uA-200s-02FEB2020-LOWERS.png

Bassetite-Analysis_Setup-53kV-40uA-200s-02FEB2020-UPPERS.png
Now I am thinking of leaving this set up and doing further experiments, and will be glad to try to analyze samples from members for practice.

Geo>K0FF


 

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Geo,

The Rb you¡¯re looking at , sorry, the computer is looking at is U Ka at 13.6, ?Rb has a Ka of 13.4 they can get confused if the ROI is not selected correctly. However in this case the Amptek Ka library doesn¡¯t have a listing for U Ka so it¡¯s never reported.? We need to check and fix these libraries.

Here¡¯s some sage advice; The computer is not your friend, it hates you and everything you stand for because you¡¯re smarter than it is. Its crafty ¨C It has a Critical Need Detector and it¡¯ll wait for the best possible moment to get its revenge. To avoid this DO EVERTHING YOURSELF.

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To interpret spectra? first look at it. Good well defined peaks or Noisy? Rerun it for a longer count

Then start at the low energy side and manually set ROI¡¯s for each peak. For each peak find its peak energy and the look up in the x-ray table to determine what are the possible elements. Then look the for the Kb or Lb and confirm what you are looking at. Ka to Kb ratio is abt 5:1 La to ?Lb ?is 1:1 or so. If it doesn¡¯t have a brother then it¡¯s not a positive ID just unconfirmed.? Low Z elements won¡¯t have any L peaks only K. Middle Z will have both and High Z will have L and possibly K depending on excitation energy. ?Some peaks are going to be good peaks others will be unknowns. The unknowns are artifacts and will include the sum, escape, ?backscatter, Compton, Rayleigh and merged peaks that are there just to harass and humble you.

In each case it¡¯s up to you to interpret the data, the computer picks will 100% get you into trouble without verification .

Do not preconceive anything. For the Theromino and PXRF ?crowd - Don¡¯t set any element lines on the screen. YOU set them as you ID an element. Don¡¯t bias yourself. Believe nothing verify everything.? Just because you always had a Pb line set up doesn¡¯t mean this time it¡¯s not an As.? If you can¡¯t figure it out without help lines you¡¯re using a faulty interpretation model that will surely get you in trouble.? BTW ?the Garbage-In-Garbage- Out phrase was actually based on computer XFR interpretations ?not on the computer models it is usually attributed to.

XRF interpretation is not quick or easy but It¡¯s very satisfying¡­when it works

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 8:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] bassetite Si-PIN

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Update- Bassetite, Si-PIN in new chamber, 10mins 40kV/30uA.

Does Bassetite normally contain Rb and Sr?

I'll crank it up and look at the lanthanides next..

Geo>K0FF


 

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 04:20 PM, Dude wrote:
We need to check and fix these libraries.
I agree, at a minimum a library of the Periodic Table elements, one or two at a time well separated with no overlapping peaks, with all 4 lines, Ka, Kb, La, Lb.

Geo


 

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I¡¯m not sure what the Amptek look up library can handle. It seems it only is set up for a Ka Kb or La Lb can ?we mix K¡¯s and L¡¯s ?in there as well and have it report correctly?? Inquiring minds want to know.

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 2:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] bassetite Si-PIN

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On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 04:20 PM, Dude wrote:

We need to check and fix these libraries.

I agree, at a minimum a library of the Periodic Table elements, one or two at a time well separated with no overlapping peaks, with all 4 lines, Ka, Kb, La, Lb.

Geo


 

didn't you send me one before that was combined> I'm looking for it now as a place to start.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dude <dfemer@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 02 Feb 2020 17:54:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [XRF] bassetite Si-PIN

I¡¯m not sure what the Amptek look up library can handle. It seems
it only is set up for a Ka Kb or La Lb can ?we mix K¡¯s and L¡¯s ?in there as
well and have it report correctly?? Inquiring minds want to know.

Dud

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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 2:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] bassetite Si-PIN

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On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 04:20 PM, Dude wrote:

We need to check and fix these libraries.

I agree, at a minimum a library of the Periodic Table
elements, one or two at a time well separated with no overlapping peaks, with
all 4 lines, Ka, Kb, La, Lb.


Geo







 

yeah here it is. Ka1 Kb1

together. Now to try to merge some L lines in there.

Ka_Kb-Metals.png