XRF Wiki
Welcome to the XRF Wiki. This Wiki is a repository of information contributed by members of [email protected]. Members can view and edit the pages. The pages are currently not viewable by the public. The pages below represent a rough overview of the technology and techniques associated with X-Ray Florescence Spectroscopy as well as serving as a place for members to organize the spectra that they have contributed to the forum.?
As a starting point, the pages will be populated by information taken from member posts from the past few years - with references/attribution. Perhaps in time, these pages can be edited by members to make them more complete and less choppy. Members can also edit this page, making the structure of the content more organized.?
Pages can contain information about a particular topic, links to relevant resources (such as manuals, research papers, etc.), links to relevant forum discussions on the topic, book titles, or anything that might be useful.
What follows is very much a work in progress.
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Adding to the Wiki
For those unfamiliar with the Wiki phenomenon, it is basically a user editable encyclopedia. The idea is that there are pages with different articles, which the user can read and also choose to edit if desired. If a piece of information is incorrect, a link outdated, or the presentation choppy or unclear, the user can just click "Edit Page" at the bottom and then fix the mistake. There is also a "Page History," so if you a user were to make a mistake or maliciously destroy a page (which wouldn't happen here) an editor can come along and restore the page to a previous version.?
If you have used MediaWiki (the engine that runs behind the scene of Wikipedia.org) you will be familiar with a certain style of creating an article. There are tags that one uses to change the formatting of the parts of the article. The Wiki on Groups.io uses a different background engine and so the standard MediaWiki syntax does not apply here. Rather, the page is edited using the same tools as one would use to compose a message on the forums. If you are a programmer or someone who likes using the tagged syntax directly, you can access the underlying page source code, be activating the advanced editing toolbar (the icon with three lines on the far right of the basic toolbar) and then clicking on the source code icon <> on the far right of the Advance Editing Toolbar. You will immediately notice that the underlying source code is HTML. Most things can be done just by using the various icons, but advanced features like table can only be implemented by manually writing the source code. (Although there are website available that will generate the source code for you through a graphical interface.)
Here are some useful resources from Groups.io:?
Wiki Guide for Users and Editors
Message Composition Tips and Tricks
Overview of XRF
X-Ray Florescence vs. X-Ray Diffraction
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Hardware
This section describes the hardware used for XRF. We will describe the basic theory of operation of each stage in the processing tool chain and then present different commercial systems that are available as these systems are often integrated together.
[Editor note: General theory needs to be in an independent page separate from specific manufacturer information.
[Editor note - question: Should this be arranged by category, e.g detectors, preamps, etc or by manufacturer with the manufacturers product line on one page. Perhaps it's best to put a list of products with theory but the details of the products on a manufacture page...]
Detectors?- what's available, theory of operation, tradeoffs
Detector Cooling?- keeping detectors cool to avoid thermal noise and keeping the TEC from overheating
Preamps?- theory of operation, brief summary of what out there (and what not to do - such as trying to use a PMT preamp for a SiPIN diode...)
Pulse Processing Theory - high level overview of the stages of going from detector pulse to channel peaks on the computer
Commercial Systems - many commercial systems are integrated so it seems to make sense to present, for example all Amptek products together. [question: are their other affordable integrated systems besides Amptek?]
Amptek XRF System
Activation Sources - what do you use to make the sample fluoresce (that's within the amateur budget and doesn't require special licensing)
Software
- Device Control Software - what do you use to collect the data from the detector system
- XRF Analysis Software - what do you use to analyze the data, especially for quantitative measurements (composition percentages, thin film measurement)
- Free Software Tools
Note: there may be software packages that possess some or all of these characteristics.
Materials Spectra
Metals Spectra
Historic/Archeological Spectra
Reference Materials Spectra
Household Objects Spectra
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Resources
Videos
Articles
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Non-XRF Techniques
Gamma Spectroscopy
Raman Spectroscopy
FTIR - Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy
Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Inductively Coupled Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Spark Emission Spectroscopy
Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy
LIBS - Laser Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy
Photoacoustic Spectroscopy
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Re: Impulse offer accepted...
Yes the tungsten would be on the angled part, just at the beryllium window. The copper rod helps carry away the heat as most of the electrons are turned into heat.
What a mess and someone knew,
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Impulse offer accepted...
I think someone has been into it already, unless the threaded hole in the
copper central rod was simply from manufacturing. The zip ties seen in
auction listing pictures aren't on it, just some
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Nick Andrews
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Re: Impulse offer accepted...
PS there is probably thorium coating the heater or cathode too.Geo
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Impulse offer accepted...
If you get to keep it with a full refund, maybe you can scrap it for the tungsten and other XRF-able elements inside?Geo
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Impulse offer accepted...
Well carp. I finally got to the office and opened this up. It's huge,
bigger than I expected. Rattling noise sounds like a broken glass tube
inside. I imagine I should be able to open the housing
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Nick Andrews
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
Nice display of half-life and energy Steve.
Geo
To: "XRF" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:08:23 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf urine analysis
F-18 information attached. I did have
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
Geo
Interesting info
I will check it out.
By the way ,I got the iodine contrast ampoule pic mixed up
The omnipague in the pic is probably not for ct angiogram use.
Nevertheless xrf wise it¡¯s the
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
F-18 information attached. I did have the opportunity several years ago to detect this.
Steve
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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:34 AM
To: [email protected]
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WILLIAM S Dubyk
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
Hospital Rad Prospecting:
Some things to watch for and test: All of these were found and tested in-situ with pocket Gamma-Spec and/or collected for Home Lab analysis.
F-18 used in PET-CT as the
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
The usage of iodine as a contrast media and as a substance for thyroid usage is just a coincidence.
Iodine for thyroid is obvious cos thyroid stores iodine for thyroid hormone synthesis.
Oral
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
After drinking lots of water ,my 24 hour urine show absence of Iodine peak.
The sample was less concentrated ( no pic this time...)
I am in the medical profession so I may know a thing or two.
The
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
A Google search produced a paper that suggests the biological half-life of iodine in a person with euthyroid (normal) thyroid function to be about 66-days, 38-days for someone with overactive
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Ken Sejkora
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
Better than IOSAT-
To: "XRF" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:18:07 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf urine analysis
No radiotracer
Silly of me not to drink .
Taray
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
No radiotracer
Silly of me not to drink .
Taray
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf urine analysis
Also suggestion- save it all for a while, in batches, then concentrate it down. There was no radiotracer in ther was there?
We call this Urineum.
Geo
To: "XRF" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday,
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Xrf urine analysis
I had a CT coronary angiogram today .
I think a fairly high dose of iodine contrast dye was injected intravenously via an automatic syringe pump .
I don¡¯t remember any technician reminding me to
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf burnt bulb
Good. If it were damaged, you would know it- the window is also the vacuum seal, when they break, it's like a pancake popping. Once when at the peak of the continental divide in NM a pancake popped in
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Xrf burnt bulb
" Xrf does not care whether it¡¯s burned or burnt."
TRUE!
Geo
To: "XRF" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 10:53:54 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf burnt bulb
Xrf does not care
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Xrf burnt bulb
Xrf does not care whether it¡¯s burned or burnt.
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf burnt bulb
It looks great from my initial inspection. When I get back over there I
can send a pic. Great packing job, by the way.
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Nick Andrews
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