Fluorescence, emission of , usually visible , caused by of in a material, which then reemit almost immediately (within about 10?8 seconds). The initial excitation is usually caused by absorption of energy from incident radiation or particles, such as X-rays or electrons. Because reemission occurs so quickly, the fluorescence ceases as soon as the exciting source is removed, unlike , which persists as an afterglow. A fluorescent is coated on the inside with a powder and contains a gas; electricity causes the gas to emit , which then stimulates the tube coating to emit light. The of a television or computer screen fluoresce when electrons from an strike them. Fluorescence is often used to analyze molecules, and the addition of a fluorescing agent with emissions in the blue region of the to detergents causes fabrics to appear whiter in sunlight. X-ray fluorescence is used to analyze minerals.
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Re: Charles- cerium in minerals question. Geo
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On 2018/10/21 04:27 PM, Charles David Young wrote:
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Re: Charles- cerium in minerals question. Geo
Cs137 at 32 keV is what I calibrate to.? Putting an elemental Ce material next to Am241 might be interesting though. El dom., 21 de oct. de 2018 a la(s) 13:59, <GEOelectronics@...> escribi¨®: Very interesting Charles. Normally I discount self-XRF ideas but your scans make a compelling argument. Will look into that in future... |
Re: Charles- cerium in minerals question. Geo
Very interesting Charles. Normally I discount self-XRF ideas but your scans make a compelling argument. Will look into that in future...
Meanwhile you can get some elemental cerium (glass polish etc) and irradiate it with a weak source, to make a pure, clean set of Ce K lines for you calibration setup. This is one of the really helpful aspects of XRF, make your own absolutely precise spectrum lines! Geo |
Re: Hello! Lixi PS-500 unit
Picture of same model(?) that ran through the shop last year-
This one was in a cabinet unit version called the "Workstation" it lives at the Mayo Clinic as a "OS Table Top" unit now. The big cable coming out the back of the control unit carries HV from the controller to the tube head. Another version uses a much smaller control box and has the HV unit inside the head/tube assembly.? The former are much easier/cheaper to repair/replace just the tube. On the front end of the Image Intensifier, there is a round plate- this is the scatter shield. Those tube's nameplate might look like max I is 0-2mA but it is actually Max= 0.2 mA= 200 microamps. Normal use is less than 100 uA. Geo |
Re: Charles- cerium in minerals question. Geo
Ok, keep in mind that all the minerals in my collection are radioactive and I am just measuring the secondary XRF stimulated by the internal radioactivity of these specimens.? I use no external xray source.? This technique obviously has its limitations but I want to find out what those limitations are.? Also, I am using a normal Scionix 38 B 57 PMT probe.? Eventually I want to be using a low energy probe and I am working on that with Geo. I just do a normal gamma scan but with higher
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voltages (e.g. 850V) to make it more sensitive in the lower energies.? In fact, the highest energy I normally linearize is 295 keV because with that and the position of the peak around 240 keV I can tell whether a specimen has U or Th or both.? That is convenient if I am looking at an unknown mineral. The other thing I do is normalize my scans to the Pb XRF around 80 keV.? I have modified Theremino to count until a selected peak reaches a threshold count.? I typically will set that count to 10000.? That levels the region to the left of 80 keV, which in the absence of prominent XRF peaks tends to align pretty closely.? My theory is that this region consists primarily of Bremstrahlung from the 80 keV peak. Take for instance the 3 scans in the attached image that are red, lime, and blue.? Those are of thorite and thoriante crystals that are relatively pure.? The black is actually the average of these that forms a baseline against which I compare other more complex minerals. The other 3 scans are of monazite specimens from different localities.? They all share a prominent bump at the beginning of the Lanthanide series which is probably Ce and other Lanthanides by substitution. This Lanthanide bump is also present with allanite, chevkinite, and steenstrupine.? In fact, I have not found anything in my collection that is supposed to contain Ce that doesn't have this bump. I see a similar phenomenon with samarskite vs uraninite.? There is a fairly distinct bump around Ta.? See the other attachment. Anyway, this is a work in progress as I continue to refine my instrumentation and techniques.? I'll report more scans as I survey more of my collection. Charles El dom., 21 de oct. de 2018 a la(s) 10:53, <GEOelectronics@...> escribi¨®: Charles you mentioned possibly directly detecting cerium X-Rays in minerals? When you have a chance, would you explaining the method and reasoning? ![]()
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Re: Hello! Lixi PS-500 unit
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýLIXI inspection units are excellent! As you mention their sources are highly controllable, both in voltage and current, both being in the low regions 10-50 keV and usually operate 0-100 MICROamps range. On 2018/10/21 12:52 PM, Nick Andrews wrote:
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Hello! Lixi PS-500 unit
I recently purchased a LIXI inspection system.? ?Waiting for them to ship it.? ?I hope it works,? as it would provide x-ray inspection capability for small stuff as well as being an excellent,? highly controllable source for XRF work.? It has an older CCTV type video camera installed but I will likely look to replace that with a nice cheap digital camera I can control remotely.? |
Re: Technical terms - 3) So, what is XRF and how do we use it to analyze materials?
The specific X-Rays we use to identify elements are called "Characteristic X-Rays" Each electron in every individual element occupies a certain distinct energy level, unique to only that element and electron position. By removing a particular electron from one an atom's electron shells, a gap is left, which must be filled. This gap is filled with a different electron, either free, or borrowed from another shell. Upon this new electron being bound to the atom, an X-Ray photon of the exact binding energy is generated. It is this X-Ray which "fluoresces" from the atom that we harvest and measure. XRF then is the mechanism and process by which we first excite by external application of energy an inner electron to an energy level in excess of it's native binding energy, causing it to be no longer compatible with the shell in which it exists, leaving a gap, which is filled by a different electron, which when once bound fluoresces? a characteristic X-Ray Be it known, while X-Rays themselves are often the source of external energy applied to cause an X-Ray to fluoresce, many other types of energy are used. My personal initial experiments were done with Beta Particles (electrons) and eventually included not only X-Rays but Alpha Particles. Sometimes when we speak of XRF by charged particle excitement we use the term PIXE instead of XRF (Particle Induced X-Ray Emission) just to make Dr. Gilmore happy. George Dowell |
Re: Technical terms - 1) What are X-Rays?
X-Rays are electromagnetic waves, or rays, so that part is correct. Where the contention comes in is in their definition. Outdated charts of the electromagnetic spectrum show them listed as electromagnetic radiation in the spectrum way above (shorter wavelength) visible light, above UV light and below Gamma Rays. "X-Rays" in colloquial English (what I call Street-Talk) invariably means a medical picture of the insides of a living human. Here we shall simply refer to rays or waves by their origin site within the atom. X-Rays are produced in the electron shell region while Gamma Rays come from the nucleus. Once these rays have left an atom, they are indistinguishable to the casual observer. Most of the time we will be discussing and describing electromagnetic Rays as a single photon rather than a continuous stream, their energy, and their origin: "An X-Ray photon of 32.19 keV from Barium Ka shell" or "A Gamma Ray photon of 661.650 from Ba-137m which occurs in 89.98% abundance". George Dowell |
Technical terms - definitions as used in this group.
On this group we shall abide by the strict scientific definitions of waves (rays) and particles. Antiquated language is confusing to say the least.
The name "Cosmic Rays" is a perfect example, they are indeed of cosmological origin but are not rays at all, rather the are high energy charged particles. In the era they were first noticed, they were little understood and incorrectly named, but it has stuck. Ironically the REAL Cosmic "Rays" (visible light, heat, radio and microwaves, X-Rays, and Gamma Rays to name the obvious), are never called Cosmic Rays. George Dowell |