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Re: Yttrium Ore XRF

 

Same rock and probe, different exciter- this time Kevex microfocus tube set for 50 kVp @ 10 uA, for 150 s.
The beam was filtered with aluminum.

Look at the max peak count of this compared to the? radioisotope excited in the first pic in this topic!

Y-Ore-150s-50kVp-10uA.png


Re: Yttrium Ore XRF

 

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Beam current = 0.0 uA (8 pellet SDD CAP was excitation source).
Time - 3600 seconds.

Many other runs were done on same rock, with different times, excitation source and probes.

These are the setup parameters for the run shown:

RESC=?; Reset Configuration
CLCK=80; 20MHz/80MHz
TPEA=11.200; Peaking Time
GAIF=1.1064; Fine Gain
GAIN=19.663; Total Gain (Analog * Fine)
RESL=3276; Detector Reset Lockout
TFLA=0.400; Flat Top
TPFA=100; Fast Channel Peaking Time
PURE=ON; PUR Interval On/Off
RTDE=OFF; RTD On/Off
MCAS=NORM; MCA Source
MCAC=1024; MCA/MCS Channels
SOFF=OFF; Set Spectrum Offset
AINP=POS; Analog Input Pos/Neg
INOF=DEF; Input Offset
GAIA=10; Analog Gain Index
CUSP=0; Non-Trapezoidal Shaping
PDMD=NORM; Peak Detect Mode (Min/Max)
THSL=2.978; Slow Threshold
TLLD=OFF; LLD Threshold
THFA=8.06; Fast Threshold
DACO=OFF; DAC Output
DACF=0; DAC Offset
RTDS=0; RTD Sensitivity
RTDT=0.00; RTD Threshold
BLRM=1; BLR Mode
BLRD=3; BLR Down Correction
BLRU=0; BLR Up Correction
GATE=OFF; Gate Control
AUO1=ICR; AUX_OUT Selection
PRET=3600.0; Preset Time
PRER=OFF; Preset Real Time
PREC=OFF; Preset Counts
PRCL=0; Preset Counts Low Threshold
PRCH=0; Preset Counts High Threshold
HVSE=-135; HV Set
TECS=225; TEC Set
PAPS=ON; Preamp 8.5/5 (N/A)
SCOE=RI; Scope Trigger Edge
SCOT=87; Scope Trigger Position
SCOG=1; Digital Scope Gain
MCSL=0; MCS Low Threshold
MCSH=0; MCS High Threshold
MCST=0.00; MCS Timebase
AUO2=ICR; AUX_OUT2 Selection
TPMO=OFF; Test Pulser On/Off
GPED=FA; G.P. Counter Edge
GPIN=AUX1; G.P. Counter Input
GPME=OFF; G.P. Counter Uses MCA_EN?
GPGA=OFF; G.P. Counter Uses GATE?
GPMC=OFF; G.P. Counter Cleared With MCA Counters?
MCAE=OFF; MCA/MCS Enable
BOOT=ON; Turn Supplies On/Off At Power Up



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On 2019/10/04 06:41 PM, Dude wrote:

Try putting the plot for the Y scale in log space, it should ?help sort out the big from the small.? What was your live time and beam current on this shot? ?

Dud

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Subject: Re: [XRF] Yttrium Ore XRF

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Same sample as first post, same scan and data, but with the gain turned up to bring up lesser, but still interesting peak-pairs.
Geo,




Now we can pick out Ce and Nd pretty easily and with some detective work,, possibly smaller quantities of? La, Ca and Ni.

Have fun

Geo>K0FF















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Re: Yttrium Ore XRF

 

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You’ll also need a micro focus xray source to put on that bill as well.

Dud

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Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [XRF] Yttrium Ore XRF

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I got a quote from Amptek that the detector is only $4000 but the power supply and preamp is another $6000.? If you know what to look for on ebay the system can be had for less, of course.

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On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 1:57 PM David Eckhardt <davearea51a@...> wrote:

So, Geo, where and how much (is it even affordable to the amateur??) can we procure this 'magic' XRF detector??? The resolution is superb, especially next to the RAP-47 or anything else I have.?

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On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 7:48 PM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:

Yttrium ore scan in the low gain mode showing the obvious abundance of Y.



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Re: Yttrium Ore XRF

 

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Try putting the plot for the Y scale in log space, it should ?help sort out the big from the small.? What was your live time and beam current on this shot? ?

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 1:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Yttrium Ore XRF

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Same sample as first post, same scan and data, but with the gain turned up to bring up lesser, but still interesting peak-pairs.
Geo,




Now we can pick out Ce and Nd pretty easily and with some detective work,, possibly smaller quantities of? La, Ca and Ni.

Have fun

Geo>K0FF
















How to excite XRF from a stable element. or: What IS a RAPCAP/ SDCAP/ SDDCAP?

 

Every atom has electron shells surrounding the nucleus. In its most stable form, an atom will have the same number of electrons in those shells as it has protons in its nucleus.


Every single electron in the orbitals of the same elemental atoms (atoms with same protons #s) will be bound to the nucleus with individual unique binding energy according to that element's scheme .From one atom to the next, as long as they have the same elemental name and therefore the same number of protons in the nucleus, this scheme will be identical.

All identical elements will have the identical scheme. No two electrons in a given element will have the same binding energy, and no single electron in any different element's atoms can have the same binding energy as the first element. To recap, every electron in every element has a unique binding energy associated with that element only.

Upon application of extra kinetic energy to the atom, the electrons can pick up (absorb) some or all of that energy and some interesting things start to happen. This energy can be from various external sources and can be conveyed into the atom by X-Rays, Gamma Rays, and even charged particles such as energetic electrons or alpha particles.

Once an inner electron achieves a higher kinetic energy than allowed by its unique orbital, it will leave that orbital position and take up a higher orbital or even leave the atom entirely, leaving a hole where it was originally. Atoms MUST fill the innermost holes and do so with high priority. When an electron from a higher orbital fills that hole, the amount of energy equal to the binding energy ifs given off as an electromagnetic photon, which we call Characteristic X-Rays.

By measuring those X-Rays very closely we can determine the elements involved and even the orbital from which that hole was filled. By stealing another orbital's electron, there now remains a hole in that orbital which must be filled, and so on.

Orbitals in XRF work are labeled according to letters, starting with K for the innermost. Other branches fs science label those same orbitals with numbers, starting with 1.
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As mentioned, this "Fluorescence" of "X-Rays" (XRF) can be causedd by a number of energy sources and carriers. I have discovered that the combination of Gamma Rays and Alpha Particles from @59.5 make a very efficient excitation source. Sometimes only one pellet is needed (<1 uCi) and never have
more than 8 spaced around the target been needed.

Pictured below is a jig I designed with 8ea. 1/8th" holes into which are inserted the correct # of pellets for a task.Originally designed for the RAP-47 probe, this was called the RAP-CAP. It fits may other probes as you can see.













Re: Yttrium Ore XRF

 

Same sample as first post, same scan and data, but with the gain turned up to bring up lesser, but still interesting peak-pairs.



Now we can pick out Ce and Nd pretty easily and with some detective work,, possibly smaller quantities of? La, Ca and Ni.

Have fun

Geo>K0FF

















Yttrium Ore XRF

 

Yttrium ore scan in the low gain mode showing the obvious abundance of Y.


Re: Compare a high end, purpose built NaI(Tl) to an amateur grade Silicon Drift Detector (SDD)

 

Hi Geo,
That is beautifully clear.
I think it is what we are all looking for.

Now, I just need to start stuffing that piggy bank a bit harder.

Randall

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Subject: [XRF] Compare a high end, purpose built NaI(Tl) to an amateur grade Silicon Drift Detector (SDD)

This is a scan of a Cesium-Iodide crystal via XRF? that I did in 2013-2014 in Nevada while on a field trip.
The portable gamma spec lab was set up on top of our son's pool table in his "Man-Cave".
During that trip I did hundreds of scans, both XRF and natural radioactivity of many different samples not to mention a coin collection and just about every inanimate object we could find. Of particular interest was the detailed study of our standard MHO's hardness pint set and out hand cast bullet alloys. .
These scans have mostly been in storage since then because the effort was exhausting and other things had to take priority until recently.

3 months of 24 hour scanning using AMPTEK SDD 1-2-3 X-Ray Spectrometer and their free? DppMCA software,
Two URSA II? MCA's, and two Spectrum Techniques UCS-20 MCAs.? A wide variety of sodium iodide scintillators was available for individual test setups. Also a wide variety of radioisotopes and one 10 bto 50 keV, energy and power adjustable microfocus X-Ray (most XRF was @ either 10 or 15 microamps)

When out in the field collecting samples, the Mobile Rad Lab included two Exploranium GR-135 spectrum analyzers one with the standard internal NaI(Tl), plus internal GM sensors for ratemeter readout, while the other one has the same plus a CZT sensor and a neutron sensor, all internal.

The ever present Polimaster PM-1703M pocket alarming pocket detector was utilized in the field as well as the portable Rad Lab, while a much larger Polimaster unit with a larger gamma detector plus He-3 neutron detector was used in the filed with extra external neutron moderators available if needed (they weren't, even at Pantex). Of course several alpha-beta-gamma pancake probe instruments were always at hand.

Here's the SDD XRF scan of CsI crystal. More pictures and info will be added as I sift through this mountain of data and photographs.

Have fun
Geo>K0FF


Compare a high end, purpose built NaI(Tl) to an amateur grade Silicon Drift Detector (SDD)

 

This is a scan of a Cesium-Iodide crystal via XRF? that I did in 2013-2014 in Nevada while on a field trip.
The portable gamma spec lab was set up on top of our son's pool table in his "Man-Cave".
During that trip I did hundreds of scans, both XRF and natural radioactivity of many different samples not to mention a coin collection and just about every inanimate object we could find. Of particular interest was the detailed study of our standard MHO's hardness pint set and out hand cast bullet alloys. .
These scans have mostly been in storage since then because the effort was exhausting and other things had to take priority until recently.

3 months of 24 hour scanning using AMPTEK SDD 1-2-3 X-Ray Spectrometer and their free? DppMCA software,
Two URSA II? MCA's, and two Spectrum Techniques UCS-20 MCAs.? A wide variety of sodium iodide scintillators was available for individual test setups. Also a wide variety of radioisotopes and one 10 bto 50 keV, energy and power adjustable microfocus X-Ray (most XRF was @ either 10 or 15 microamps)

When out in the field collecting samples, the Mobile Rad Lab included two Exploranium GR-135 spectrum analyzers one with the standard internal NaI(Tl), plus internal GM sensors for ratemeter readout, while the other one has the same plus a CZT sensor and a neutron sensor, all internal.

The ever present Polimaster PM-1703M pocket alarming pocket detector was utilized in the field as well as the portable Rad Lab, while a much larger Polimaster unit with a larger gamma detector plus He-3 neutron detector was used in the filed with extra external neutron moderators available if needed (they weren't, even at Pantex). Of course several alpha-beta-gamma pancake probe instruments were always at hand.

Here's the SDD XRF scan of CsI crystal. More pictures and info will be added as I sift through this mountain of data and photographs.

CsI_Crystal_XRF.png


Have fun
Geo>K0FF


Si-PIN low energy Gamma-X-Ray detector upgrade at the Home Lab.

 

Recent additions to the Home Lab low energy gamma spec lineup now includes a thermoelectrically cooled Amptek Si-PIN detector with 1 mil Be window. Usable range? is from 1 to about 45 keV, covering the area of most interest when studying K,? L and M shell X-Ray fluorescence.
Since the range is limited to 45 keV, this makes Am @ 59.5 the ideal excitation source. I use either a single 0.7uCi centered or 8 X 0.7 uCi in an annular ring.

In ne of the first experiments this was used to examine the impact of the alpha particle emission from the excitation source on the observed scan patterns.

This picture shows the 300 second scan with the detector and RAPCAP being filtered by adding a single piece of 3x5 paper card stock immediately in front of the RAPCAP. Paper does not have much stopping power @59.5 but has 100% stopping power for alpha particles.

(Not much to see)




Next the scan is repeated, again for 300 seconds and all other setting exactly the same, but with the paper removed. At this time the sensor remains covered in its own protective plastic cap, so low end energies are
being somewhat filtered by that plus the extra distance of air between target and sensor.

The "target" here is air, i.e. no target. Analysis follows picture (lots to see):





What we see at the low end is alpha particle excited air XRF, specifically Argon, some O and N.

Have fun
Geo>K0FF


Re: MIT XRF experiment with mention of alpha particle calibration XRF energy generator

 

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I think mCi = milliCurie?

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On 2019/10/02 10:41 AM, Charles David Young wrote:

So, George, do you think that if I had, say, 10 Am241 buttons mounted on a lead ring as described in this article that it would be in any way equivalent to an xray tube in terms of exciting XRF in my minerals and competing with the internal radiation?? Of course, I know I need a detector with more resolution in the low energy xray area as well.
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Charles

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:26 AM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Attached is a page from Glenn F. Knoll's
"Radiation Detection and Measurement".

I ran across this about 18 years ago and have used it in practice many times since. Eventually this little article morphed into my interest in XRF and the development of the RAPCAP etc.

Have Fun
Geo>K0FF




Re: MIT XRF experiment with mention of alpha particle calibration XRF energy generator

 

So, George, do you think that if I had, say, 10 Am241 buttons mounted on a lead ring as described in this article that it would be in any way equivalent to an xray tube in terms of exciting XRF in my minerals and competing with the internal radiation?? Of course, I know I need a detector with more resolution in the low energy xray area as well.

Charles


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:26 AM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Attached is a page from Glenn F. Knoll's
"Radiation Detection and Measurement".

I ran across this about 18 years ago and have used it in practice many times since. Eventually this little article morphed into my interest in XRF and the development of the RAPCAP etc.

Have Fun
Geo>K0FF


Re: MIT XRF experiment with mention of alpha particle calibration XRF energy generator

 

Attached is a page from Glenn F. Knoll's
"Radiation Detection and Measurement".

I ran across this about 18 years ago and have used it in practice many times since. Eventually this little article morphed into my interest in XRF and the development of the RAPCAP etc.

Have Fun
Geo>K0FF


MIT XRF experiment with mention of alpha particle calibration XRF energy generator

 

Now in FILES:

/g/XRF/files/XRF-MIT-Experiment-Read_This.pdf


XRD: X-Ray Diffraction, another Non-Destructive Testing tool.

 

ntroduction to XRD:

X-ray Powder Diffraction (XRD)

Barbara L Dutrow, Louisiana State University

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Christine M. Clark, Eastern Michigan University

What is X-ray Powder Diffraction (XRD)

X-ray powder diffraction (XRD) is a rapid analytical technique primarily used for phase identification of a crystalline material and can provide information on unit cell dimensions. The analyzed material is finely ground, homogenized, and average bulk composition is determined.

Fundamental Principles of X-ray Powder Diffraction (XRD)

Max von Laue, in 1912, discovered that crystalline substances act as three-dimensional diffraction gratings for X-ray wavelengths similar to the spacing of planes in a crystal lattice. X-ray diffraction is now a common technique for the study of crystal structures and atomic spacing.

X-ray diffraction is based on constructive interference of monochromatic X-rays and a crystalline sample. These X-rays are generated by a cathode ray tube, filtered to produce monochromatic radiation, collimated to concentrate, and directed toward the sample. The interaction of the incident rays with the sample produces constructive interference (and a diffracted ray) when conditions satisfy (nλ=2d sin θ). This law relates the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation to the diffraction angle and the lattice spacing in a crystalline sample. These diffracted X-rays are then detected, processed and counted. By scanning the sample through a range of 2θangles, all possible diffraction directions of the lattice should be attained due to the random orientation of the powdered material. Conversion of the diffraction peaks to d-spacings allows identification of the mineral because each mineral has a set of unique d-spacings. Typically, this is achieved by comparison of d-spacings with standard reference patterns.

All diffraction methods are based on in an X-ray tube. These X-rays are directed at the sample, and the diffracted rays are collected. A key component of all diffraction is the angle between the incident and diffracted rays. Powder and single crystal diffraction vary in instrumentation beyond this.

X-ray Powder Diffraction (XRD) Instrumentation - How Does It Work?

X-ray diffractometers consist of three basic elements: an X-ray tube, a sample holder, and an X-ray detector.

Bruker's X-ray Diffraction D8-Discover instrument.

in a cathode ray tube by heating a filament to produce electrons, accelerating the electrons toward a target by applying a voltage, and bombarding the target material with electrons. When electrons have sufficient energy to dislodge inner shell electrons of the target material, characteristic X-ray spectra are produced. These spectra consist of several components, the most common being Kα and Kβ. Kα consists, in part, of Kα1 and Kα2. Kα1 has a slightly shorter wavelength and twice the intensity as Kα2. The specific wavelengths are characteristic of the target material (Cu, Fe, Mo, Cr). Filtering, by foils or crystal monochrometers, is required to produce monochromatic X-rays needed for diffraction. Kα1and Kα2 are sufficiently close in wavelength such that a weighted average of the two is used. Copper is the most common target material for single-crystal diffraction, with CuKα radiation = 1.5418?. These X-rays are collimated and directed onto the sample. As the sample and detector are rotated, the intensity of the reflected X-rays is recorded. When the geometry of the incident X-rays impinging the sample satisfies the Bragg Equation, constructive interference occurs and a peak in intensity occurs. A detector records and processes this X-ray signal and converts the signal to a count rate which is then output to a device such as a printer or computer monitor.

X-ray powder diffractogram. Peak positions occur where the X-ray beam has been diffracted by the crystal lattice. The unique set of d-spacings derived from this patter can be used to 'fingerprint' the mineral.

The geometry of an X-ray diffractometer is such that the sample rotates in the path of the collimated X-ray beam at an angle θ while the X-ray detector is mounted on an arm to collect the diffracted X-rays and rotates at an angle of 2θ. The instrument used to maintain the angle and rotate the sample is termed a goniometer. For typical powder patterns, data is collected at 2θ from ~5° to 70°, angles that are preset in the X-ray scan.

Applications

X-ray powder diffraction is most widely used for the identification of unknown crystalline materials (e.g. minerals, inorganic compounds). Determination of unknown solids is critical to studies in geology, environmental science, material science, engineering and biology.

Other applications include:

  • characterization of crystalline materials
  • identification of fine-grained minerals such as clays and mixed layer clays that are difficult to determine optically
  • determination of unit cell dimensions
  • measurement of sample purity

With specialized techniques, XRD can be used to:

  • determine crystal structures using Rietveld refinement
  • determine of modal amounts of minerals (quantitative analysis)
  • characterize thin films samples by:
    • determining lattice mismatch between film and substrate and to inferring stress and strain
    • determining dislocation density and quality of the film by rocking curve measurements
    • measuring superlattices in multilayered epitaxial structures
    • determining the thickness, roughness and density of the film using glancing incidence X-ray reflectivity measurements
  • make textural measurements, such as the orientation of grains, in a polycrystalline sample

Strengths and Limitations of X-ray Powder Diffraction (XRD)?

Strengths

  • Powerful and rapid (< 20 min) technique for identification of an unknown mineral
  • In most cases, it provides an unambiguous mineral determination
  • Minimal sample preparation is required
  • XRD units are widely available
  • Data interpretation is relatively straight forward

Limitations

  • Homogeneous and single phase material is best for identification of an unknown
  • Must have access to a standard reference file of inorganic compounds (d-spacings, hkls)
  • Requires tenths of a gram of material which must be ground into a powder
  • For mixed materials, detection limit is ~ 2% of sample
  • For unit cell determinations, indexing of patterns for non-isometric crystal systems is complicated
  • Peak overlay may occur and worsens for high angle 'reflections'

User's Guide - Sample Collection and Preparation

Determination of an unknown requires: the material, an instrument for grinding, and a sample holder.

  • Obtain a few tenths of a gram (or more) of the material, as pure as possible
  • Grind the sample to a fine powder, typically in a fluid to minimize inducing extra strain (surface energy) that can offset peak positions, and to randomize orientation. Powder less than ~10 μm(or 200-mesh) in size is preferred
  • Place into a sample holder or onto the sample surface:

Packing of fine powder into a sample holder.

    • smear uniformly onto a glass slide, assuring a flat upper surface
    • pack into a sample container
    • sprinkle on double sticky tape

Typically the substrate is amorphous to avoid interference

  • Care must be taken to create a flat upper surface and to achieve a random distribution of lattice orientations unless creating an oriented smear.
  • For analysis of clays which require a single orientation, specialized techniques for .

·? For unit cell determinations, a small amount of a standard with known peak positions (that do not interfere with the sample) can be added and used to correct peak positions.

Data Collection, Results and Presentation

Data Collection The intensity of diffracted X-rays is continuously recorded as the sample and detector rotate through their respective angles. A peak in intensity occurs when the mineral contains lattice planes with d-spacings appropriate to diffract X-rays at that value of θ. Although each peak consists of two separate reflections (Kα1 and Kα2), at small values of 2θ the peak locations overlap with Kα2 appearing as a hump on the side of Kα1. Greater separation occurs at higher values of θ. Typically these combined peaks are treated as one. The 2λ position of the diffraction peak is typically measured as the center of the peak at 80% peak height.

Data Reduction

Results are commonly presented as peak positions at 2θ and X-ray counts (intensity) in the form of a table or an x-y plot (shown above). Intensity (I) is either reported as peak height intensity, that intensity above background, or as integrated intensity, the area under the peak. The relative intensity is recorded as the ratio of the peak intensity to that of the most intense peak (relative intensity = I/I1 x 100 ).

Determination of an Unknown

The d-spacing of each peak is then obtained by solution of the Bragg equation for the appropriate value of λ. Once all d-spacings have been determined, automated search/match routines compare the ds of the unknown to those of known materials. Because each mineral has a unique set of d-spacings, matching these d-spacings provides an identification of the unknown sample. A systematic procedure is used by ordering the d-spacings in terms of their intensity beginning with the most intense peak. Files of d-spacings for hundreds of thousands of inorganic compounds are available from the as the Powder Diffraction File (PDF). Many other sites contain d-spacings of minerals such as the . Commonly this information is an integral portion of the software that comes with the instrumentation.

Determination of Unit Cell Dimensions

For determination of unit cell parameters, each reflection must be indexed to a specific hkl.

Literature

The following literature can be used to further explore X-ray Powder Diffraction (XRD)

  • Bish, DL and Post, JE, editors. 1989. Modern Powder Diffraction. Reviews in Mienralogy, v. 20. Mineralogical Society of America.
  • Cullity, B. D. 1978. Elements of X-ray diffraction. 2nd ed. Addison-Wesley, Reading, Mass.
  • Klug, H. P., and L. E. Alexander. 1974. X-ray diffraction procedures for polycrystalline and amorphous materials. 2nd ed. Wiley, New York.
  • Moore, D. M. and R. C. Reynolds, Jr. 1997. X-Ray diffraction and the identification and analysis of clay minerals. 2nd Ed. Oxford University Press, New York.

Related Links

For more information about X-ray Powder Diffraction (XRD) follow the links below.

  • ; Materials Research Lab, University of California- Santa Barbara
  • ; an on-line journal that describes and demonstrates a wide range of applications using Xray diffraction.
  • --University of California, Santa Barbara
  • --from LLNL
  • --from Steve Nelson, Tulane University
  • --part of the . Use the "Learn About" link to find animations of the structures of common molecules (including minerals), crystallography learning resources (tutorials, databases and software), resources on crystallization, and tutorials on symmetry and point groups.

Teaching Activities and Resources

Teaching activities, labs, and resources pertaining to X-ray Powder Diffraction (XRD).

  • - This problem develops skills in X-ray diffraction analysis as applied to clay mineralogy, reinforces lecture material on the geochemistry of weathering, and demonstrates the role of petrologic characterization in site engineering.
  • (PowerPoint 1.6MB Sep7 07) by Melody Bergeron, at Montana State University.
  • Brady, John B., and Boardman, Shelby J., 1995, Introducing Mineralogy Students to X-ray Diffraction Through Optical Diffraction Experiments Using Lasers. Jour. Geol. Education, v. 43 #5, 471-476.
  • Brady, John B., Newton, Robert M., and Boardman, Shelby J., 1995, New Uses for Powder X-ray Diffraction Experiments in the Undergraduate Curriculum. Jour. Geol. Education, v. 43 #5, 466-470.
  • Dutrow, Barb, 1997, Better Living Through Minerals X-ray Diffraction of Household Products, in: Brady, J., Mogk, D., and Perkins D. (eds.) Teaching Mineralogy, Mineralogical Society of America, p. 349-359.
  • Hovis, Guy, L., 1997, Determination of Chemical Composition, State of Order, Molar Volume, and Density of a Monoclinic Alkali Feldspar Using X-ray Diffraction, in: Brady, J., Mogk, D., and Perkins D. (eds.) Teaching Mineralogy, Mineralogical Society of America, p. 107-118.
  • Brady, John B., 1997, Making Solid Solutions with Alkali Halides (and Breaking Them) , in: Brady, J., Mogk, D., and Perkins D. (eds.) Teaching Mineralogy, Mineralogical Society of America, p. 91-95.
  • Perkins, Dexter, III, and Sorensen, Paul, Mineral Synthesis and X-ray Diffraction Experiments, in: Brady, J., Mogk, D., and Perkins D. (eds.) Teaching Mineralogy, Mineralogical Society of America, p. 81-90.
  • Hollecher, Kurt, A Long-Term Mineralogy Practical Exam, in: Brady, J., Mogk, D., and Perkins D. (eds.) Teaching Mineralogy, Mineralogical Society of America, p. 43-46.
  • Hluchy, M.M., 1999, The Value of Teaching X-ray Techniques and Clay Mineralogy to Undergraduates, Jour. Geoscience Education, v. 47, p. 236-240.

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Using the Proportional Tube Detector with Beryllium Window for XRF.

 

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RE: Conventions used:
Gammas and X-Rays are both electromagnetic radiation and are identical except for their origin. If the photon come from the nucleus it is called a gamma, if it comes from the electron shell area it is called an X-Ray. Other types of photons such as Bremsstrahlung and Annihilation have other genesis mechanisms. Since in this report we are first and foremost interested in the energy of the photon, not it's origin, we call them all 'photons' for simplicity. Be aware that once the energy is calculated, the true nature may then be surmised, then proper name applied to that photon.

Some fusioneers are doing neutron activation experiments, the proof of which involves gamma spectroscopy.

I thought I would share my recent efforts in 2-50 keV low energy detection/identification.

Most of us use NaI(Tl) scintillation detectors for energy studies, those are effective for mid to higher energies (50keV - 3 MeV)
A a typical NaI(Tl) is blind to the low energy realm not because of the crystal's ability to respond, but because the crystal is fragile and hygroscopic so must be enclosed in a robust housing to protect it. This robustness of housing material introduces enough mass between the source and crystal to block the lowest energy spectrum.
Response of NaI(Tl) is highly dependant on energy, and not in a linear fashion.This phenomena is well studied and all commercial probes have charts available delineating the response at different energies. In the present application, the interest is identifying the energy, not necessarily quantifying it.


A typical stainless steel enclosure is good to only around >30 keV, while an aluminum housing can see down to about 10-20 keV. Beryllium can pass 2-3 keV easily, depending on the thickness of the window.

Certain experiments involve the photon spectrum well below 20 keV, so special housings and detectors are in order.

Types of commercial, readily available detectors:

LEG or Low Energy Gamma scintillation probes are indeed made with thin entrance windows, which can pass the required spectrum. Generally these are made of thin section NaI(Tl), so thin it has little or no response to energies above about 100 keV at all. Typical dimensions are 1 or 2 inches diameter and 1 or 2 mm thick.
Special versions are available called FIDLERs to 5 inches diameter. Window material varies according to price, with beryllium the preferred but most costly. Such very low Z and thin windows are sometimes protected with a layer of Kapton for strength.

Some examples are;
Ludlum 44-3. 1" X 1 mm 10-50 keV
Ludlum 44-17 2" X 2 mm 10-200 keV


Thermo G5 FIDLER (Field Instrument for Detection of Low Energy Radiation) 5" X 1.6 mm >10 keV

Bicron 1XM.040BP-X / a.k.a. Canberra Model 1701 1" X 1mm, Be windowed, integral collimator slit. 3-100 keV for Be window, 10-100 keV for aluminum window versions.

Typical applications for thin section NaI(Tl) probes are EDS (Energy Dispersive X-Ray Spectroscopy),
XRF (X-Ray Fluorescent spectroscopy) and detection of the presence of plutonium (17 keV L X-Ray et. al.), I-125 (27-35 keV), and Am-241 (4 to 59.5 keV).

Many varieties and brands of these have been tested at the Home Lab and by and large I do not get an adequate spectrum from them. Detection yes, good spectrum no. The ideal thickness for obtaining a good resolution LE spectrum appears to be about 3-4 mm. I made such a probe based upon the surplus DT-590A probe with very good results.

One advantage to exploring the very low energy realm is that little or no shielding is needed over the probe. 1/4" is fine for the thicker of the sodium iodide probes mentioned, while the thinner ones don't really benefit from any shielding at all.


The Gas Filled Proportional Counter:

Proportional counters are a different beast entirely. Labs use them routinely to make extraordinarily low energy, high resolution measurements. In that application, gas-flow devices are employed, requiring a tank of pressurized "nuclear counting gas" be available, often the P-10 variety containing 90% Argon and 10% Methane.

Most of these employ true gas-flow, in which a continuous stream of gas is fed through the probe. A few allow the probe to be initially pressurized, then used for a period of time without further gas added. The main application is for beta-gamma detection and discrimination, not something commonly needed in the Home Lab, at least to this extent. There are a few air-proportional probes that work with regular atmospheric air, but this air must be dehumidified, and the HV adjusted per the altitude of use.

While this may be within in the reach of the serious Home Lab experimenter, the complexity and cost make these proportional type systems prohibitive for the student.

Still, there are significant advantages to proportional detectors, mostly in the gamma energy detection and IDENTIFICATION capabilities, down at the extreme low end.
So we have decided to concentrate on permanently sealed, heavy gas filled proportional probes with beryllium windows. Their high initial cost is offset by the extremely efficient and above all, SIMPLE implementation.

Typical examples are the LND models 45419 (Xenon filled) and 45431 (Krypton filled) and 45152 (Neon/Argon filled), all with beryllium side windows.

The instrument for this test is a older model RSG-30A, Xenon filled, side beryllium window with an aluminum end window as well. The side window if preferred for ultra low energy studies as it allows entrance of the lowest energy photon , and selectively applies them to only the mid portion of the anode wire, the so called "sweet spot".
While the modern equivalent LND probes will work at least as well, their $1000+ price tag is not as attractive as the $50 surplus price for the RSG-30A.

As member here are aware from their He3 proportional neutron detector work, all proportional tubes work in the "proportional region" of the gas ionization curve,
with gas fill/pressure combinations requiring generally much higher HV than a typical GM tube. At the same time the recovered pulse is of a much lower Voltage peak than a GM tube, requiring the metering unit to be able to provide up to 2500V DC and to respond to 1 to 2 mV pulses.

For LE gamma work we want a fill gas to be as dense as possible, in order to optimize the chance of interaction with the weak photons, hence the choice of Xenon fill.

Most if not all instruments will require an external preamp to gather the low Voltage pulses to amplify them for application to the MCA or rate meter. Since we are using the SPECTECH UCS-20 as our MCA, the matching SPECTECH PA-1 preamplifier (slightly modified was chosen.

NIM users have a broad range of suitable preamps available to match their existing systems.

My application is twofold. First is the examine the incredibly low energy X-Rays given off by stable elements when they are excited by an external energy (X-Rays or electron beams). This <20 keV capability allows examination of the L and M shell X-rays, which are very much lower energy than the K shell X-Rays I've been using.

Secondly, a sort of take of of the above reason, is to examine naturally occurring L and M X-Rays emitted by the daughter products of radioactive elements.

The first such test was on Am-241, an examination of the Np L and M shell X-Rays.

The attached scan shows the result with my notes as to the presumed sources and energies of the photons detected. The unlabeled peak at 8.5 keV has not yet been identified.


ADDED 26 July 2012, Energy Response Curve File (picture)

George Dowell
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Re: Hello! Lixi PS-500 unit

 

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Cool!
One more thing on the to-do list!

Geo

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On 2018/10/29 11:22 AM, Nick Andrews wrote:

Well my new friend just got here!? ?She's a hefty girl.? They did carefully foam it in the box.? ?I pulled every piece for a quick inspection and it looks like it's all there,? if a little dusty/grimy.??
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One display panel on the power supply is popped loose from the front panel,? likely from the foam.? Nothing looks like an impact.?
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The real killer is that I leave for a conference in the morning and need to pack tonight,? back Sunday so I might not get a chance to play with it and maybe power it up until some time next week.?
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Looks like the little box with knobs is for the ccd camera.?
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The source/ imager assembly is really heavy,? thick stainless steel.? ?I'm at work and have a ton to do,? so I didn't take any pictures.? Plus,? the office girls up front think I'm a little more crazy than before,? so...

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 3:47 PM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Picture of same model(?) that ran through the shop last year-
This one was in a cabinet unit version called the "Workstation" it lives at the Mayo Clinic as a "OS Table Top" unit now.

The big cable coming out the back of the control unit carries HV from the controller to the tube head. Another version uses a much smaller control box and has the HV unit inside the head/tube assembly.? The former are much easier/cheaper to repair/replace just the tube.

On the front end of the Image Intensifier, there is a round plate- this is the scatter shield.

Those tube's nameplate might look like max I is 0-2mA but it is actually Max= 0.2 mA= 200 microamps. Normal use is less than 100 uA.

Geo


Re: Hello! Lixi PS-500 unit

 

Well my new friend just got here!? ?She's a hefty girl.? They did carefully foam it in the box.? ?I pulled every piece for a quick inspection and it looks like it's all there,? if a little dusty/grimy.??

One display panel on the power supply is popped loose from the front panel,? likely from the foam.? Nothing looks like an impact.?

The real killer is that I leave for a conference in the morning and need to pack tonight,? back Sunday so I might not get a chance to play with it and maybe power it up until some time next week.?

Looks like the little box with knobs is for the ccd camera.?

The source/ imager assembly is really heavy,? thick stainless steel.? ?I'm at work and have a ton to do,? so I didn't take any pictures.? Plus,? the office girls up front think I'm a little more crazy than before,? so...

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 3:47 PM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Picture of same model(?) that ran through the shop last year-
This one was in a cabinet unit version called the "Workstation" it lives at the Mayo Clinic as a "OS Table Top" unit now.

The big cable coming out the back of the control unit carries HV from the controller to the tube head. Another version uses a much smaller control box and has the HV unit inside the head/tube assembly.? The former are much easier/cheaper to repair/replace just the tube.

On the front end of the Image Intensifier, there is a round plate- this is the scatter shield.

Those tube's nameplate might look like max I is 0-2mA but it is actually Max= 0.2 mA= 200 microamps. Normal use is less than 100 uA.

Geo


Re: Charles- cerium in minerals question. Geo

 

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Congrat's on that astute finding Dave!
?May I suggest that much of that is probably NOT self-XRF in the sense we are talking about, rather it is the normal characteristic X-Rays given off by the daughters within the decay chain at the moment of transmutation.

For an easier to understand example, when Cs-137 decays to Ba-137m (m=metastable, meaning stable but for a very short time, in this case 2.5 min) by beta decay, it is the daughter realigning it's nucleus excess energy that gives rise to the "662" plus in this action the electron shells are irradiated causing XRF OF THE DAUGHTER ATOM's characteristic energies.

If it was truly self-XRF, the X-Rays would be of energies characteristic to Cs atoms.

In a simple radioactive decay to a stable or metastable element, this relationship is clearly measurable, but in a decay chain of any length, things are so complex it's really? hard to make heads or tails of the jumble of closely spaced X-Rays.

When in doubt consult the RL Heath Gamma Spectrum Catalogs both for NaI(TL) and Ge-Sil.

Links to those:





?and if you don;t have the freeware program DECAY, it should be here (I like the March 1999 version3 best):



With this program you can look up many of the decay chain daughters individually and learn where those alphas, betas, other electrons and gammas actually come in.

Geo



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On 2018/10/21 06:11 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:

Self Excitation:? In working with Luuk's new (to me) 2" x 2" CsI 'puck', I was quite surprised to detect self excitation of
the Bi, U, and Ra XRF lines using a small chunk (1 x 0.5 x 0.2 cm) of uraninite as the source.? After doing a three-point calibration
using both Cs-137 and Am-241 of the low end, the lines were right on.? Of course, I had to 'fine tune' Theremino to bring
out the XRF lines, but they were clearly there. ? I haven't yet tried copper with this new probe, but that will be excited with an
Am-241 pellet.?
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Dave - W?LEVOf course, I had to d? ?

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:59 PM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Very interesting Charles. Normally I discount self-XRF ideas but your scans make a compelling argument. Will look into that in future...

Meanwhile you can get some elemental cerium (glass polish etc) and irradiate it with a weak source, to make a pure, clean set of Ce K lines for you calibration setup. This is one of the really helpful aspects of XRF, make your own absolutely precise spectrum lines!

Geo


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Just Think


Re: Charles- cerium in minerals question. Geo

 

Self Excitation:? In working with Luuk's new (to me) 2" x 2" CsI 'puck', I was quite surprised to detect self excitation of
the Bi, U, and Ra XRF lines using a small chunk (1 x 0.5 x 0.2 cm) of uraninite as the source.? After doing a three-point calibration
using both Cs-137 and Am-241 of the low end, the lines were right on.? Of course, I had to 'fine tune' Theremino to bring
out the XRF lines, but they were clearly there. ? I haven't yet tried copper with this new probe, but that will be excited with an
Am-241 pellet.?

Dave - W?LEVOf course, I had to d? ?


On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:59 PM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Very interesting Charles. Normally I discount self-XRF ideas but your scans make a compelling argument. Will look into that in future...

Meanwhile you can get some elemental cerium (glass polish etc) and irradiate it with a weak source, to make a pure, clean set of Ce K lines for you calibration setup. This is one of the really helpful aspects of XRF, make your own absolutely precise spectrum lines!

Geo



--
Dave - W?LEV
Just Let Darwin Work
Just Think