|
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax 582?for the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by Compact Radial Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a 63 go?bolt on replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar question.....??? There are
really no viable alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth
but in reality they just don't have the reliability and service
record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't perform all that
well on the original X-Air airframe which was always designed for
the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10
pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no longer made)
in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in my opinion.
The problem was the market also changed and tube and fabric
aircraft were no longer The only option available to
recreational flyers when composite aircraft started getting
around. Added to this is now There are no longer Rotax
two-stroke engines available and that makes it much harder to
sell the standard models.....
Justin Gregoris wrote on
29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns
were better with the X Air - they may have sold a lot more
aircraft.
I've taken about 4 very
experienced pilots wirh total flighr hours ranging from
1800-28,000hrs and all have said the same thing: the X Air
comes across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after flying
it, is surprised with overall stability and engineering
while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent photographs of
the progress from the first day and he is doing a fantastic
job. I have been holding off in posting the pictures in
dribs and drabs and rather waiting until he has completely
finished and then do a mass upload but you are more than
welcome to send through anything that he has already sent
you. It is really good to see the resources of X-Air owners
and how they can approach things from a different
perspective and make really significant improvements
Justin Gregoris wrote on
29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed -
I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this
gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He purchased a 2009 X
Air.
Completely stripped
the plane - literally dismantled 98% of it. New
covering, new Jabiru motor. New everything. New,
modified landing gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3
bladed prop, list goes on. Then he also got a custom
door builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches by
installing bubble doors without any cross members. Looks
high-end.
This airplane is by
far the nicest looking X Air I have ever seen. Probably
all input around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice
it is. Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per side. One
each was a bit soft, two worked just fine.
--
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check out this new engine, like a rotax - ulpower.com. very interesting. UL260i.
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Show quoted text
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax 582?for the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by Compact Radial Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a 63 go?bolt on replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar question.....??? There are really no viable alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth but in reality they just don't have the reliability and service record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't perform
all that well on the original X-Air airframe which was always designed for the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10 pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no longer made) in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in my opinion. The problem was the market also changed and tube and fabric aircraft were no longer The only option available to recreational flyers when composite aircraft started getting around. Added to
this is now There are no longer Rotax two-stroke engines available and that makes it much harder to sell the standard models.....
Justin Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns were better with the X Air - they may have sold a lot more aircraft.
I've taken about 4 very experienced pilots wirh total flighr hours ranging from 1800-28,000hrs and all have said the same thing: the X Air comes across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after
flying it, is surprised with overall stability and engineering while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent photographs of the progress from the first day and he is doing a fantastic job. I have been holding off in posting the pictures in dribs and drabs and rather waiting until he has completely finished and then do a
mass upload but you are more than welcome to send through anything that he has already sent you. It is really good to see the resources of X-Air owners and how they can approach things from a different perspective and make really significant improvements
Justin Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed - I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He purchased a 2009 X Air.
Completely stripped the plane - literally dismantled 98% of it. New covering, new Jabiru motor. New everything. New, modified landing gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3 bladed prop, list goes
on. Then he also got a custom door builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches by installing bubble doors without any cross members. Looks high-end.
This airplane is by far the nicest looking X Air I have ever seen. Probably all input around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice it is. Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per side. One each was a bit soft, two worked just fine.
--
With regards, Michael Coates
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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Hello Justin, the problem is when we are talking about all of these
engines they are simply too heavy for the standard X-Air aircraft.
You are limited in weight to the equivalent of the Rotax 618/582
series.
Any more weight than this requires setting the engine on the leading
edge of the wing, adding weight into the rear of the aircraft and
all other things which change the characteristics of a fantastic
flying aeroplane (X-Air standard)
The ending of production of all of the Rotax two-stroke engines is a
real issue for light aircraft manufacturers like X-Air unfortunately
Because we lose a semi affordable but ultimately very reliable and
suitable propulsion system.
Justin Gregoris wrote on 30/07/2022
12:41 am:
check out this new engine, like a rotax - ulpower.com. very
interesting. UL260i.
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax 582?for
the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by Compact Radial
Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a 63 go?bolt on
replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates
<mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar
question.....??? There are really no viable
alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth but
in reality they just don't have the reliability and
service record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't
perform all that well on the original X-Air airframe
which was always designed for the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland
wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10 pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no
longer made) in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in
my opinion. The problem was the market also changed
and tube and fabric aircraft were no longer The only
option available to recreational flyers when composite
aircraft started getting around. Added to this is now
There are no longer Rotax two-stroke engines available
and that makes it much harder to sell the standard
models.....
Justin
Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns
were better with the X Air - they may have sold a
lot more aircraft.
I've taken
about 4 very experienced pilots wirh total flighr
hours ranging from 1800-28,000hrs and all have
said the same thing: the X Air comes across as a
brittle 'paper airplane' but after flying it, is
surprised with overall stability and engineering
while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent
photographs of the progress from the first day and
he is doing a fantastic job. I have been holding
off in posting the pictures in dribs and drabs and
rather waiting until he has completely finished
and then do a mass upload but you are more than
welcome to send through anything that he has
already sent you. It is really good to see the
resources of X-Air owners and how they can
approach things from a different perspective and
make really significant improvements
Justin
Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed -
I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this
gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He
purchased a 2009 X Air.
Completely
stripped the plane - literally dismantled 98%
of it. New covering, new Jabiru motor. New
everything. New, modified landing gear, big
tundra-like STOL tires. 3 bladed prop, list
goes on. Then he also got a custom door
builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches
by installing bubble doors without any cross
members. Looks high-end.
This
airplane is by far the nicest looking X Air I
have ever seen. Probably all input around
55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice it is.
Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per
side. One each was a bit soft, two worked just
fine.
--
With regards, Michael Coates
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017
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It would be really nice if Rotax sold (or gave away) their plans to a manufacturer who was prepared to re-start production of 582 or 618 motors.
Get
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Show quoted text
Hello Justin, the problem is when we are talking about all of these engines they are simply too heavy for the standard X-Air aircraft. You are limited in weight to the equivalent of the Rotax 618/582 series.
Any more weight than this requires setting the engine on the leading edge of the wing, adding weight into the rear of the aircraft and all other things which change the characteristics of a fantastic flying aeroplane (X-Air standard)
The ending of production of all of the Rotax two-stroke engines is a real issue for light aircraft manufacturers like X-Air unfortunately Because we lose a semi affordable but ultimately very reliable and suitable propulsion system.
Justin Gregoris wrote on 30/07/2022 12:41 am:
check out this new engine, like a rotax - ulpower.com. very interesting. UL260i.
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax 582?for the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by Compact Radial Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a 63 go?bolt on replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates
<mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar question.....??? There are really no viable alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth but in reality they just don't have the reliability and service record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't perform
all that well on the original X-Air airframe which was always designed for the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10 pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no longer made) in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in my opinion. The problem was the market also changed and tube and fabric aircraft were no longer The only option available to recreational flyers when composite aircraft started getting around. Added to
this is now There are no longer Rotax two-stroke engines available and that makes it much harder to sell the standard models.....
Justin Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns were better with the X Air - they may have sold a lot more aircraft.
I've taken about 4 very experienced pilots wirh total flighr hours ranging from 1800-28,000hrs and all have said the same thing: the X Air comes across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after
flying it, is surprised with overall stability and engineering while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent photographs of the progress from the first day and he is doing a fantastic job. I have been holding off in posting the pictures in dribs and drabs and rather waiting until he has completely finished and then do a
mass upload but you are more than welcome to send through anything that he has already sent you. It is really good to see the resources of X-Air owners and how they can approach things from a different perspective and make really significant improvements
Justin Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed - I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He purchased a 2009 X Air.
Completely stripped the plane - literally dismantled 98% of it. New covering, new Jabiru motor. New everything. New, modified landing gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3 bladed prop, list goes
on. Then he also got a custom door builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches by installing bubble doors without any cross members. Looks high-end.
This airplane is by far the nicest looking X Air I have ever seen. Probably all input around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice it is. Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per side. One each was a bit soft, two worked just fine.
--
With regards, Michael Coates
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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Hello Hank, basically the tooling has been worn out. It was a same
with the 503. The cost of retooling was many millions of dollars and
much more than the company could recover in years and years of sales
so it just comes to a stage where it is unviable to continue.
Added to this probably 99 out of 100 engines that they sell at the
moment are going to be the larger 4 stroke engines to suit the
bigger aircraft we are now flying so I guess the market is just not
there anymore.
It's not so much about the plans for the engine but it is the choice
of materials that go into the production of the metal components.
Knowing exactly what goes into what part and where it can be sourced
from is probably the biggest difficulty for the company wanting to
take over production of the two-stroke engines. I wish it was really
easy but it isn't
Hank Optland wrote on 30/07/2022 11:42
am:
It would be really nice if Rotax sold (or gave away) their plans
to a manufacturer who was prepared to re-start production of 582
or 618 motors.
Get
Hello Justin, the problem is when we are talking about all of
these engines they are simply too heavy for the standard X-Air
aircraft. You are limited in weight to the equivalent of the
Rotax 618/582 series.
Any more weight than this requires setting the engine on the
leading edge of the wing, adding weight into the rear of the
aircraft and all other things which change the characteristics
of a fantastic flying aeroplane (X-Air standard)
The ending of production of all of the Rotax two-stroke engines
is a real issue for light aircraft manufacturers like X-Air
unfortunately Because we lose a semi affordable but ultimately
very reliable and suitable propulsion system.
Justin Gregoris wrote on
30/07/2022 12:41 am:
check out this new engine, like a rotax - ulpower.com. very
interesting. UL260i.
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax
582?for the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by
Compact Radial Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a
63 go?bolt on replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates
<mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar
question.....??? There are really no viable
alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth
but in reality they just don't have the reliability
and service record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2
doesn't perform all that well on the original X-Air
airframe which was always designed for the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank
Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10 pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors
(no longer made) in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently
in my opinion. The problem was the market also
changed and tube and fabric aircraft were no
longer The only option available to recreational
flyers when composite aircraft started getting
around. Added to this is now There are no longer
Rotax two-stroke engines available and that makes
it much harder to sell the standard models.....
Justin
Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns
were better with the X Air - they may have
sold a lot more aircraft.
I've taken
about 4 very experienced pilots wirh total
flighr hours ranging from 1800-28,000hrs and
all have said the same thing: the X Air comes
across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after
flying it, is surprised with overall stability
and engineering while keeping it in value
packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent
photographs of the progress from the first day
and he is doing a fantastic job. I have been
holding off in posting the pictures in dribs
and drabs and rather waiting until he has
completely finished and then do a mass upload
but you are more than welcome to send through
anything that he has already sent you. It is
really good to see the resources of X-Air
owners and how they can approach things from a
different perspective and make really
significant improvements
Justin
Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed -
I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of
this gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He
purchased a 2009 X Air.
Completely
stripped the plane - literally dismantled
98% of it. New covering, new Jabiru motor.
New everything. New, modified landing
gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3 bladed
prop, list goes on. Then he also got a
custom door builder to increase cabin
width to 49 inches by installing bubble
doors without any cross members. Looks
high-end.
This
airplane is by far the nicest looking X
Air I have ever seen. Probably all input
around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how
nice it is. Located in New Brunswick
Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees
per side. One each was a bit soft, two
worked just fine.
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