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Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: Engine comparisons.

Tony Stiller
 

Hi Peter
I asked Michael what the cost is but he seemed to think that Jabiru should could up with a bracket, why I dont know as a manufactured bracket is simply that, a manufactured bracket which if suitable for a rotax is equally suitable for a Jabiru.
My suggestion is to ask Michael like I have done. If there is no success I will contact Bert Flood myself for availability and price.
cheers
Tony

At 10:45 PM 6/17/00 +1200, you wrote:

Hello Tony,
?
Saw your message re 912 bracket. Do yo know how much Flood wants for it?
Appreciate your advice.
?
Cheers,
?
Peter Stuy




Re: Engine Brackets

Michael Coates
 

Just to clear up the information about the engine brackets. Bert
Floods has agreed to design a bracket which will fit the Rotax 912,
if
and when we start ordering 912's for our aircraft. Our conversation
went something like, if you can come up with an engine mount to suit
our aircraft then i think more customers would consider a 912. I dont
think Bert Flood's would like to put the work into a bracket if it's
to be used on an opposition engine.

I will do two things. 1. Ask the factory in France for more
information on their mount, and who made it, can we have drawings
etc... and 2. Put the word out to find a suitable person to fabricate
a new mount specifically to suit the Jabiru and Rotax 912 engines.

There are that many planes out there now flying around Australia i am
sure if either engine importer got there act together and did a mount
then their engine would sell in reasonable numbers. Every customer
asks the same question.... Can i put a 4 stroke on the X-Air ? and
why
wont the Jab or 912 bolt straight on !........ if it was as easy as
saying the Jab/912 will fit with the optional $300 engine mount then
i
am sure they would buy them.

Easy way....... find someone who can design a mount and do some
welding.

Thanks Michael


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: Engine Brackets

Tony Stiller
 

What are there any restrictions/requirements necessary for a manufacturer to have when looking for a manufacturer?
cheers
Tony

At 12:17 PM 6/17/00 +0000, you wrote:
Just to clear up the information about the engine brackets. Bert
Floods has agreed to design a bracket which will fit the Rotax 912,
if
and when we start ordering 912's for our aircraft. Our conversation
went something like, if you can come up with an engine mount to suit
our aircraft then i think more customers would consider a 912. I dont
think Bert Flood's would like to put the work into a bracket if it's
to be used on an opposition engine.

I will do two things. 1. Ask the factory in France for more
information on their mount, and who made it, can we have drawings
etc... and 2. Put the word out to find a suitable person to fabricate
a new mount specifically to suit the Jabiru and Rotax 912 engines.

There are that many planes out there now flying around Australia i am
sure if either engine importer got there act together and did a mount
then their engine would sell in reasonable numbers. Every customer
asks the same question.... Can i put a 4 stroke on the X-Air ? and
why
wont the Jab or 912 bolt straight on !........ if it was as easy as
saying the Jab/912 will fit with the optional $300 engine mount then
i
am sure they would buy them.

Easy way....... find someone who can design a mount and do some
welding.

Thanks Michael


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Re: X-Air F not climbing

 

Yes, the gearbox was in the up position, plus I had a tad bit of down
on both ailerons.


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: X-Air F not climbing

Bill Magrini
 

Thanks Michael.

So the trailing edge of the aileron will be up just slightly (1 cm)? Now
mine are just a tad down (1 cm) and I do notice a fair amount of yaw in
turns.

Regards,

Bill

PS How does one get the bottom rib battens secure inside the sailcloth. The
tops went in fine, but the bottoms are hard to get in. Am I doing something
wrong? There are a few difficult things like this that the manual doesn't
cover at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Coates <xair@...>
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...
<X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] X-AIR CENTRAL Re: X-Air F not
climbing


magriniw@... wrote:

Yes, the gearbox was in the up position, plus I had a tad bit of down
on both ailerons.
I have found when setting up the ailerons, which is very important to have
right, that the best way to do it is really with three people.

Position the stick centrally and tie in place, tie it firm because it's
easy
to move the position when adjusting the ailerons. Using one person on each
wing, go to the outboard location where both the struts connect to the wing
and put a good straight edge in there - wedged hard against the leading and
trailing edges.

You can now use these secure straight edges (piece of timber etc..) to
adjust the position of each aileron. The factory recommends touching each
straight edge but our preference is to have them raised about 1 cm (1/2
inch) i find the plane flies a little faster and seams to be very neutral
in
all aspects of flight. If they are adjusted down to touch the rulers the
plane seems to yaw a little bit in the turns, adjust them up and it
doesn't.

Finally, don't forget to safety wire the turnbuckles using a standard
figure
8 wiring method.

Your done !! she should fly perfectly balanced and without any vices.

Thanks Michael


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Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Hello all

Bill Magrini
 

Hi Ted,

My email address is magriniw@... Call or write if I can help.

Regards,

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Clement <mlclement@...>
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...
<X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] X-AIR CENTRAL Hello all


Bill, I talked to you by phone couple months ago but have been unable to
get thru on your email address. Am trying again. Regards.


At 03:54 AM 6/17/00 +0000, you wrote:
Hi,

I'm Bill Magrini -- Xair Dealer in the US fort Virginia and Maryland.
I just completed my Xair F and have flown it twice. I Didn't set the
prop thrust line up properly, so it wouldn't climb so hot with two
people. I'm still tweaking the bird. I hope to have it all correct
this weekend.

Regards,

Bill


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Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: X-Air F not climbing

Michael Coates
 

magriniw@... wrote:

Yes, the gearbox was in the up position, plus I had a tad bit of down
on both ailerons.
I have found when setting up the ailerons, which is very important to have
right, that the best way to do it is really with three people.

Position the stick centrally and tie in place, tie it firm because it's easy
to move the position when adjusting the ailerons. Using one person on each
wing, go to the outboard location where both the struts connect to the wing
and put a good straight edge in there - wedged hard against the leading and
trailing edges.

You can now use these secure straight edges (piece of timber etc..) to
adjust the position of each aileron. The factory recommends touching each
straight edge but our preference is to have them raised about 1 cm (1/2
inch) i find the plane flies a little faster and seams to be very neutral in
all aspects of flight. If they are adjusted down to touch the rulers the
plane seems to yaw a little bit in the turns, adjust them up and it doesn't.

Finally, don't forget to safety wire the turnbuckles using a standard figure
8 wiring method.

Your done !! she should fly perfectly balanced and without any vices.

Thanks Michael


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Hello all

Ted Clement
 

Bill, I talked to you by phone couple months ago but have been unable to
get thru on your email address. Am trying again. Regards.

At 03:54 AM 6/17/00 +0000, you wrote:
Hi,

I'm Bill Magrini -- Xair Dealer in the US fort Virginia and Maryland.
I just completed my Xair F and have flown it twice. I Didn't set the
prop thrust line up properly, so it wouldn't climb so hot with two
people. I'm still tweaking the bird. I hope to have it all correct
this weekend.

Regards,

Bill


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reply to Peter Miller.

d n peatey
 

Peter we have recently sold our XAir & have a new one nearly ready to go, we
were so impressed with the other one that a new one was the way to go.We had
doors on the last one as will the new one.We still have not flown to Hobart
yet but hope to when we get the new one flying which should be in the next
two weeks.The new on will have a 618 & the colour is orange & black " very
nice".Good to hear from you Peter &thats about all for now regards Darrel.

----- Original Message -----
From: <pmiller@...>
To: <X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 8:21 PM
Subject: [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] X-AIR CENTRAL Re: Another new member


---
Hi Darrel,
I spoke to you shortly after you wrote the article re your
Xair you had just finised building in the Pacific Ultralight Mag.
You mentioned to me on the phone how much you loved the Rotax 618
with
its power. Especially on take off.
Have you flown to Cradle Mountain or down to Hobart or the east coast
as yet.

I guess you would be rugged up this time of the year for
flying...even
on the Gold Coast its been pretty cold at night lately.

Have you got doors fitted to yours...if not I bet you will be getting
them.

Cheers ...a few ports would not go astray, another cold night.

Peter




In X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@..., dnpeaty@b... wrote:
Hi I am Darrel Peatey the Xair dealer for Tasmania I would like to
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Re: Setting up the Ailerons Properly

Michael Coates
 

Bill Magrini wrote:

Thanks Michael.

So the trailing edge of the aileron will be up just slightly (1 cm)? Now
mine are just a tad down (1 cm) and I do notice a fair amount of yaw in
turns.

Regards,

Bill

PS How does one get the bottom rib battens secure inside the sailcloth. The
tops went in fine, but the bottoms are hard to get in. Am I doing something
wrong? There are a few difficult things like this that the manual doesn't
cover at all.
Move the Ailerons up and you will have a different plane.... as for the bottom
battens, i did not have any trouble, guess its from my hang glider days. There
are two bottom battens in each wing i always put then in to get them started by
inserting them into the pocket upside down, when the batten is in about 15cm
(6") turn them 180 degrees and insert all the way once in push them sideways and
allow them to sit firm in the pockets away from the sail opening. They should go
in fairly easy..... something which will help if they are really tight is to
spray a little bit of silicone spray on them just before insertion and by doing
this they slide in much easier.

Thanks Michael


Australian Service Bulletin

 

It has been brought to our attention that one aircraft in Australia has had Carbon Monoxide entering the cabin during operation. Carbon Monoxide is potentially deadly and we recommend the following to remedy the problems.

1. Put an extension onto the exhaust exit to direct the exhaust gases away from the
?top surface of the wing.

2. Plug the rear of the fastback with foam to prevent a venturi effect sucking
?contaminated air back into the cabin.

3. Fit a Dead Stop Carbon Monoxide detector in the cabin (cost $12 approx) to
?monitor the air quality in the cabin.
?

It must be noted that the fumes will only enter an aircraft which has had doors fitted and had extensive sealing work around the pod, front wheel, fastback and windscreen, It will not affect an aircraft without doors or an aircraft which has had the doors fitted as per the standard assembly instructions. This problem will not affect aircraft which have the straight back exhaust systems, it will only affect owners with the 618 wrap around exhaust as shown in the photograph on the below left.

I would be appreciative of any feedback from owners who may have experienced similar problems so we can advise the factory.

Thanks Michael Coates


New member + Xair Boxer

 

Hi,
Great to have this group up and running, I am Seamus from Xair
Ireland. Been flying & Building Xair's now for 2+ years, and are
currently working on fitting BMW R100 4 stroke Boxer engines to our
Xair's here in Ireland.
We have just finished the engine mount and will be doing the required
load testing / proofing next week.
For those who don't know the R100 is a 1000cc horiz. opposed twin
cylinder motor bike engine.
The R100 Boxer is well known for it's reliability and the 'bottom
end' is second to none.
In standard form puts out 70hp, but when you twin plug it and Gas
flow the heads in comes out around 80hp.
weight is around 70kg complete. Some feel it might be a bit heavy,
but the Xair seems to like flying with it's nose down!!

Will post some pictures and more info as time goes on.

Seamus O'Donnell
Xair Ireland
www.esatclear.ie/~xair


Xair

 

Would anyone consider it a good idea or possible to fit a Hirth F30,
2 stroke, 4 cylinder 80 HP engine to an Xair? Would the fuel
consumption be much higher than a Rotax 582 or could the gearing be
set up to have the engine running at a lower RPM considering the
higher HP?

Regards

Coulter.


Battery Carrier Photograph

 

As promised about a week ago i have attached a photograph of the battery
carrier we use in Australia, it is attached to the main fuselage tube
with either cable ties (zip ties) or with super clamps (special
industrial hose clamps). The breaking strain with each cable tie is 54
kg's and we use 6 of them, so it will never come off.

Not shown in the photograph, we attach the battery into the carrier
using cable ties to hold it in, i drill two holes on the vertical strap
on each side of the holder and thread cable ties into them, when
tightened it pulls the battery back into the holder. The inside of the
holder is lined with rubber so it is a nice tight fit. We have never had
a cable tie break or had a battery come loose.

When fitting the battery for the first time just lay it in loosely as
we move it up and down the tube to get the Center of Gravity correct,
once it's in the right spot mount it permanently. I do not recommend
bolting or pop riveting the carrier to the main tube as this may weaken
the aircraft.

I hope this information helps

Thanks Michael Coates X-Air Australia


Adding an Oil Injection Cable to the standard X-Air Cables

 

I have attached to this message and also posted in the files section
under 'oil cable' a series of photographs which show how we add an
additional cable to the standard X-Air cable assembly. This allows for
the installation of the Rotax Oil Injection unit.

The whole process is quite simple and the only important part is to make
sure the swage is done properly with a proper tool.

To save all the experimentation you need to cut the outer cable to 550
mm and the inner cable to 680 mm. These are the correct lengths to fit
without any problems.

I use a knurled adjuster and a cable from a push bike shop.

Thanks Michael X-Air Australia


Any X-Air's fitted with Subaru Engines ??

 

On behalf of Allan Grigo who seems to be having trouble sending
messages.....

Does anyone know of any X-Air's flying with Subaru engines, Allan has
found a good one really cheap and is looking at the possibilities.

Any ideas ??


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Battery Carrier Photograph

rajhamsa
 

Interesting battery box, will keep it in mind. Plastic ties is a good idea too, will think about it.
Thanks for the tip
Joel


** Original Subject: [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] X-AIR CENTRAL Battery Carrier
Photograph
** Original Sender: Michael Coates <xair@...>
** Original Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:32:30 -0500
** Original Message follows...

As promised about a week ago i have attached a photograph of the battery
carrier we use in Australia, it is attached to the main fuselage tube
with either cable ties (zip ties) or with super clamps (special
industrial hose clamps). The breaking strain with each cable tie is 54
kg's and we use 6 of them, so it will never come off.

Not shown in the photograph, we attach the battery into the carrier
using cable ties to hold it in, i drill two holes on the vertical strap
on each side of the holder and thread cable ties into them, when
tightened it pulls the battery back into the holder. The inside of the
holder is lined with rubber so it is a nice tight fit. We have never had
a cable tie break or had a battery come loose.

When fitting the battery for the first time just lay it in loosely as
we move it up and down the tube to get the Center of Gravity correct,
once it's in the right spot mount it permanently. I do not recommend
bolting or pop riveting the carrier to the main tube as this may weaken
the aircraft.

I hope this information helps

Thanks Michael Coates X-Air Australia

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Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Battery Carrier Photograph

 

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Neat Michael,
?
What wall thinckness stainless?
?
Doors going well.
?
Cheers,
?
Peter


Re: Battery Carrier Photograph

Michael Coates
 

Neat Michael,

What wall thinckness stainless?

Cheers, Peter


We use 1.2 or preferably 1.5mm stainless


X-air/Subaru

Allan Grigo
 

Hi, my name is Allan Grigo. I am the owner of an Xair, and am also
the agent in Western Australia.

To new builders - a couple of things to watch -

When aligning the front wheel with the rudder and drilling the bolt
hole for the front wheel assembly, drill one side first and insert
bolt, before drilling the other side. Don't try to drill the two
holes in one go, otherwise the holes will not line up with the
existing holes.

In relation to all aileron controlled pulleys and nuts under the
floor - make sure all nuts have ample Loctite and pulleys are free to
turn, because once the pod is installed these parts are not
accessible.


Finally - has any tried, or knows anybody who has fitted a 4 stroke
Subaru motor to an Xair. Would appreciate any comments, or knowledge
of this conversion.

Allan Grigo