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Seeking advice on long-term storage
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Ruari McLennan
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Mike Walter
开云体育Ruari:
I live just below you, Bremerton area, west of Seattle and Puget
Sound.? It's a temperate climate. I seldom went over two weeks without
riding my W through the winter and didn't bother with a battery minder, stabil
or anything.? Never a problem.? I've a 2000 model, orig.
battery.?
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Mike Walter in WA
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I've had different opinions locally about whether to drain the carbs over
the winter storage in my unheated garage. Some say in this temperate climate, where it only dips below freezing a few times these days and there's only a week of ice & snow, it's not indicated as it'll only dry out the seals and rubber. Others say despite gas stabilizer, I shouldn't keep old gas and crud in the float bowls and should drain. Comments, anyone? Ruari |
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Mike Walter
开云体育Ruari:
I live just below you, Bremerton area, west of Seattle and Puget
Sound.? It's a temperate climate. I seldom went over two weeks without
riding my W through the winter and didn't bother with a battery minder, stabil
or anything.? Never a problem.? I've a 2000 model, orig.
battery.?
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Mike Walter in WA
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I've had different opinions locally about whether to drain the carbs over
the winter storage in my unheated garage. Some say in this temperate climate, where it only dips below freezing a few times these days and there's only a week of ice & snow, it's not indicated as it'll only dry out the seals and rubber. Others say despite gas stabilizer, I shouldn't keep old gas and crud in the float bowls and should drain. Comments, anyone? Ruari |
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Ruari McLennan
开云体育Weird, all right.? I will confess a really
embarassing thing... Last winter I had a chest cough for a while, which seemed
to clear up, but later?whenever I was in the relative quiet of the garage,
this clear whistling wheeze would start, often, but not always, as I took a deep
breath.
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You guessed it...? 2 X-rays later, I figured
out it was my W650.
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Ruari
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Drain, seals are cheaper to replace than jets.
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James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 08:56:36 -0700 I've had different opinions locally about whether to drain the carbs over the winter storage in my unheated garage. Some say in this temperate climate, where it only dips below freezing a few times these days and there's only a week of ice & snow, it's not indicated as it'll only dry out the seals and rubber. Others say despite gas stabilizer, I shouldn't keep old gas and crud in the float bowls and should drain. Comments, anyone? Ruari ----- Original Message -----
From: <larry.botheras@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage European fuel is manufactured to a more consistent standard than NA fuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here. Our 5 or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr with nothing done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change the oil etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year. _________________________________________________________________ |
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The first thing you should do with Amals, is take them off and replace them with Mikunis.
Amals are made of the cheapest "pot metal", my younger brother was a Triumph mechanic for a few years, he said that Amals were almost beyond calibrating after 3000 miles because the metal was so soft and they just couldn't get them to match..of course, if you only had one, theres nothing to match. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: "Larry Botheras" <larry.botheras@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: <W650riders@...> Subject: RE: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:18:18 +0100 On a brit bike running Amals or something I’d say leave the carbs, but what happens particularly on Jap carbs with loads of small passages and jets is that the gas evaporates and leaves a varnish behind that can block them. Drain, drain, drain… Larry Botheras Essex UK W650 Wrench 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge 1977 KH400 1978 CD175 1994 Ural Solo From: W650riders@... [mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of Ruari McLennan Sent: 07 July 2007 16:57 To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage I've had different opinions locally about whether to drain the carbs over the winter storage in my unheated garage. Some say in this temperate climate, where it only dips below freezing a few times these days and there's only a week of ice & snow, it's not indicated as it'll only dry out the seals and rubber. Others say despite gas stabilizer, I shouldn't keep old gas and crud in the float bowls and should drain. Comments, anyone? Ruari ----- Original Message ----- From: <larry.botheras@... <mailto:larry.botheras%40tiscali.co.uk> To: <W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage European fuel is manufactured to a more consistent standard than NA fuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here. Our 5 or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr with nothing done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change the oil etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year. _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! |
开云体育?And say after me "I?must never?use
compressed air to?clear petrol out of my carbs"
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Compressed air can squash a float...ahem, believe
me, I know.
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Larry Botheras
开云体育On a brit bike running Amals or something I’d say leave the carbs, but what happens particularly on Jap carbs with loads of small passages and jets is that the gas evaporates and leaves a varnish behind that can block them.? Drain, drain, drain… ? ? Larry Botheras ? Essex UK W650 Wrench 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge 1977 KH400 1978 CD175 1994 Ural Solo ? ? ? From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of Ruari McLennan
Sent: 07 July 2007 16:57 To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage ? I've had different opinions locally about
whether to drain the carbs over
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Ruari McLennan
I've had different opinions locally about whether to drain the carbs over the winter storage in my unheated garage. Some say in this temperate climate, where it only dips below freezing a few times these days and there's only a week of ice & snow, it's not indicated as it'll only dry out the seals and rubber. Others say despite gas stabilizer, I shouldn't keep old gas and crud in the float bowls and should drain.
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Comments, anyone? Ruari ----- Original Message -----
From: <larry.botheras@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage European fuel is manufactured to a more consistent standard than NA fuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here. Our 5 or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr with nothing done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change the oil etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year. |
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picka48
Thanks Larry, I'll try and find out more about this before doing
anything. --- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras" <larry.botheras@...> wrote: isn't in the local market. You don't know the different constituents of gashere, and it may do something odd. As I say, some of our bikes don't turn awheel (particularly the Puch Maxi) for as long, but they start easyenough. Just drain the float bowls[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of picka48more yellow redish color of the fuel here while I don't know anythingmight not find stabilizers in Europe, a mechanic in the village there didhave to ask around how to send it from here. Does anyone know how longthe stabilizer is good for, one, two, five years? Does it turn tovarnish at some point? Thanks for your input.40yahoogroups.com> , "larry.botheras@"NA notfuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here.Our 5or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr withnothingdone to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change theoiletc) Never had an issue starting in the new year. butvery cold, it freezes a couple of times a year during the night allowedalways gets up above freezing during the day. The garage isunheated.I think the stabiliser is a good idea. In fact, I bought some in on planes. |
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If you can't smell fuel, it's probably sucking in. No modern vehicles are allowed to vent vapour...It's part of their emissions package. Either way, once the temperatures have stabilised it'll stop.
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It's better to leave the tank almost full if you store simply because the small amount of air lweft inthe tank saturates with aromatic vapours before effecting the fuel's combustability. My 250T Honda ran ( roughly) on 18 year old petrol left in the tank when I first started it....Once I'd drained the float bowls. Jon I'm not so sure the W650 doesn't vent fuel vapours. I know that it |
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Ruari McLennan
I'm not so sure the W650 doesn't vent fuel vapours. I know that it frequently vents something from the gas cap area; every time I'm in the garage alone when it's quiet, I can hear it go off every few seconds.
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From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage
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Shelf life for gas was 6 months, it was considered stale after that.
Shelf life for ethanol seems to be half that (previous experience with 65 trainning bikes, I rotated my personal bikes but Maui and Hawaii only ran 1 class per month). Still, I would recommend filling your tank before storage, with stabil or something similar in it..but I would drain the tank and fill with fresh gas before I rode it . I would fill the tank because if it is not full, condensation can build up inside it which will result in rust. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Salvyrider <salvyrider@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:20:45 -0400 Without European motoring experience, I don't know much about the shelf life of continental petrol. This is an interesting area to explore. Obviously, our proclivity towards stabilizer is based on our experience with Yankee gas - which goes bad amazingly fast. I've seen it go in a matter of a few weeks under the right conditions. (And you have not lived until you've experienced the heady bouquet of stale gasoline. Mmmmmm.) Good luck. -S On 7/6/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote: _________________________________________________________________ |
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Shelf life for gas was 6 months, it was considered stale after that.
Shelf life for ethanol seems to be half that (previous experience with 65 trainning bikes, I rotated my personal bikes but Maui and Hawaii only ran 1 class per month). Still, I would recommend filling your tank before storage, with stabil or something similar in it..but I would drain the tank and fill with fresh gas before I rode it . I would fill the tank because if it is not full, condensation can build up inside it which will result in rust. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Salvyrider <salvyrider@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:20:45 -0400 Without European motoring experience, I don't know much about the shelf life of continental petrol. This is an interesting area to explore. Obviously, our proclivity towards stabilizer is based on our experience with Yankee gas - which goes bad amazingly fast. I've seen it go in a matter of a few weeks under the right conditions. (And you have not lived until you've experienced the heady bouquet of stale gasoline. Mmmmmm.) Good luck. -S On 7/6/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote: _________________________________________________________________ |
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Shelf life for gas was 6 months, it was considered stale after that.
Shelf life for ethanol seems to be half that (previous experience with 65 trainning bikes, I rotated my personal bikes but Maui and Hawaii only ran 1 class per month). Still, I would recommend filling your tank before storage, with stabil or something similar in it..but I would drain the tank and fill with fresh gas before I rode it . I would fill the tank because if it is not full, condensation can build up inside it which will result in rust. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Salvyrider <salvyrider@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:20:45 -0400 Without European motoring experience, I don't know much about the shelf life of continental petrol. This is an interesting area to explore. Obviously, our proclivity towards stabilizer is based on our experience with Yankee gas - which goes bad amazingly fast. I've seen it go in a matter of a few weeks under the right conditions. (And you have not lived until you've experienced the heady bouquet of stale gasoline. Mmmmmm.) Good luck. -S On 7/6/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote: _________________________________________________________________ |
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Larry Botheras
开云体育I would really be careful about adding something in Europe that isn’t in the local market.? You don’t know the different constituents of gas here, and it may do something odd.? As I say, some of our bikes don’t turn a wheel (particularly the Puch Maxi) for as long, but they start easy enough.? Just drain the float bowls ? ? Larry Botheras ? Essex UK W650 Wrench 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge 1977 KH400 1978 CD175 1994 Ural Solo ? ? ? From: W650riders@...
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Sent: 06 July 2007 15:47 To: W650riders@... Subject: [W650riders] Re: Seeking advice on long-term storage ? Hi Larry,
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Just drain the float bowls, put the battery on a maintenance charger and put Mobil 1 into the motor. The oil won't suck in moisture, the fuel will light up after 11 months, and the battery will be fine. If you REALLY worry, run the bike almost out of fuel and drain the remainder into a fuel can. Top the fuel can off with pump fuel, seal and leave.
Refill from that can and go to the petrol station. Modern bikes don't vent fuel vapour so the fuel will remain healthy in the tank. Only the float bowl fuel will 'go off'...which is the reason it is sometimes hard to start over-wintered bikes. The moment fresh fuel gets into the bowls, it'll light up like it was running yesterday Hi Larry, I've noticed that european fuel is almost white compared to the more yellow redish color of the fuel here while I don't know anything about the consistency standard. My worry is that the bike will not move for 11 months a year. I guess from what your saying that I might not find stabilizers in Europe, a mechanic in the village there did not even know what I was talking about when I mentioned it. I'll have to ask around how to send it from here. Does anyone know how long the stabilizer is good for, one, two, five years? Does it turn to varnish at some point? Thanks for your input. Robert --- In W650riders@..., "larry.botheras@..." <larry.botheras@...> wrote: Our 5 or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr withnothing done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change theoil etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year.unheated. I think the stabiliser is a good idea. In fact, I bought some in Go to temporary photos site - :: Send an email to W650riders-nomail@... to stop email delivery. :: Send an email to W650riders-normal@... to resume email delivery. Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/888 - Release Date: 06/07/2007 06:36 |
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