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----- Original Message ----- From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson That is a Brittish "Indian", I think, because of copy rights, it can be
called an Indian in England, but if it were sold in the USA, it would be
sold as a Dakota.
Anyway, it is a much better "Indian" than those S&S V-Twin powered
California Motorcycle Company cookie cutter chopper things that won the
rights in court, to use the Indian trademark in the USA.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
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Like a lot of things in that era, they assumed a reasonable understanding
of
machinery by the owner!
Neat - saves re-programming the throttle position sensor, eh?
Ruari
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The hand operated advance/retard lever was common on Brit bikes before
the
development of the spring loaded auto-advance mechanism. You set it
retarded
for starting, minimising kick-backs and ensuring a slow, lazy tick-over
from
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What's the flywheel thingy right in the front of it?
Ruari
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That is a Brittish "Indian", I think, because of copy rights, it can be
called an Indian in England, but if it were sold in the USA, it would be
sold as a Dakota.
Anyway, it is a much better "Indian" than those S&S V-Twin powered
California Motorcycle Company cookie cutter chopper things that won the
rights in court, to use the Indian trademark in the USA.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: "Mark Campbell" <scrubby64@...>
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Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:02:27 +0100
Ok, who knows what this is....
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Like a lot of things in that era, they assumed a reasonable
understanding
of
machinery by the owner!
Neat - saves re-programming the throttle position sensor, eh?
Ruari
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The hand operated advance/retard lever was common on Brit bikes before
the
development of the spring loaded auto-advance mechanism. You set it
retarded
for starting, minimising kick-backs and ensuring a slow, lazy
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from
cold, and advanced it for fast running. You could also retard the
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Here's a better shot....made in Scotland, from girders...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruari McLennan" <r.mclennan@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson What's the flywheel thingy right in the front of it?
Ruari
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Yip, uses a Volvo engine...
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That is a Brittish "Indian", I think, because of copy rights, it can be
called an Indian in England, but if it were sold in the USA, it would be
sold as a Dakota.
Anyway, it is a much better "Indian" than those S&S V-Twin powered
California Motorcycle Company cookie cutter chopper things that won the
rights in court, to use the Indian trademark in the USA.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: "Mark Campbell" <scrubby64@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:02:27 +0100
Ok, who knows what this is....
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To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
Like a lot of things in that era, they assumed a reasonable
understanding
of
machinery by the owner!
Neat - saves re-programming the throttle position sensor, eh?
Ruari
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:03 AM
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The hand operated advance/retard lever was common on Brit bikes
before
the
development of the spring loaded auto-advance mechanism. You set it
retarded
for starting, minimising kick-backs and ensuring a slow, lazy
tick-over
from
cold, and advanced it for fast running. You could also retard the
ignition
to slog up hills, which was ideal if you were pulling a chair with
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R, On my second bike, a '69 XLCH Sportster, which I bought new in the summer of '68, the left hand grip was used to retard or advance the ignition. If one forgot and tried to start it on full advance it would "ever-so-gently" remind you of your trangression by trying to launch the operator a** over tea-kettle into outer space somewhere... Usually I could start it up with just two or three kicks though (unless it was real cold out) which was considered pretty good for that model. I think that '69 was the last year of that magneto ignition on the Sportsters, too. Pete C --- In W650riders@..., Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote: And on another unrelated topic, I vaguely recall my Dad telling me some bikes had a hand operated timing advance control lever for descending hills etc., but I didn't listen well enough, do you know what proportion pre- 1960 had them? And UK or Britbikes?
Ruari
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The advance lever was still around in the 50¡¯s, earlier there
were even ¡°air¡± lever as well so that you culd adjust the carb mixture on the
fly¡
?
?
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?
Essex UK
W650 Wrench
2007 Moto Guzzi Norge
1977 KH400
1978 CD175
1994 Ural Solo
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Sent: 14 July 2007 03:46
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?
Neat - saves re-programming the throttle
position sensor, eh?
Ruari
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<jonhaddock@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
>
> The hand operated advance/retard lever was common on Brit bikes before the
> development of the spring loaded auto-advance mechanism. You set it
> retarded
> for starting, minimising kick-backs and ensuring a slow, lazy tick-over
> from
> cold, and advanced it for fast running. You could also retard the ignition
> to slog up hills, which was ideal if you were pulling a chair with the
> family on board!
>
> Jon
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Now I¡¯m confused¡ I thought the Enfield Meteor or constellation
was sold as an Indian???
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That is a Brittish "Indian", I think,
because of copy rights, it can be
called an Indian in England, but if it were sold in the USA, it would be
sold as a Dakota.
Anyway, it is a much better "Indian" than those S&S V-Twin
powered
California Motorcycle Company cookie cutter chopper things that won the
rights in court, to use the Indian trademark in the USA.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: "Mark Campbell" <scrubby64@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:02:27 +0100
Ok, who knows what this is....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonhaddock@..."
<jonhaddock@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
> Like a lot of things in that era, they assumed a reasonable understanding
> of
> machinery by the owner!
>
>
>> Neat - saves re-programming the throttle position sensor, eh?
>>
>> Ruari
>>
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>> To: <W650riders@...>
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
>>
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>>>
>>> The hand operated advance/retard lever was common on Brit bikes
before
>>> the
>>> development of the spring loaded auto-advance mechanism. You set
it
>>> retarded
>>> for starting, minimising kick-backs and ensuring a slow, lazy
tick-over
>>> from
>>> cold, and advanced it for fast running. You could also retard the
>>> ignition
>>> to slog up hills, which was ideal if you were pulling a chair with
the
>>> family on board!
>>>
>>> Jon
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Sent: 14 July 2007 18:39
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R,
On my second bike, a '69 XLCH Sportster, which I bought new in the
summer of '68, the left hand grip was used to retard or advance the
ignition. If one forgot and tried to start it on full advance it
would "ever-so-gently" remind you of your trangression by trying to
launch the operator a** over tea-kettle into outer space
somewhere...
Usually I could start it up with just two or three kicks though
(unless it was real cold out) which was considered pretty good for
that model. I think that '69 was the last year of that magneto
ignition on the Sportsters, too.
Pete C
--- In W650riders@...,
Ruari McLennan
wrote:
>
> And on another unrelated topic, I vaguely recall my Dad telling me
some
> bikes had a hand operated timing advance control lever for
descending hills
> etc., but I didn't listen well enough, do you know what
proportion
pre-
> 1960 had them? And UK or Britbikes?
>
> Ruari
>
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My first single "real" motorcycle? that started my love for singles was a 1948 AJS (48/18-5809-B ) It should have had an advance lever but it had a Matchless magneto that origionally had acentrifugal advance on the sprocket.? There was no bulge for an advance sprocket on an AJS so it was timed at 5/8" BTDC.? this worked out OK as long as I eased it through compression with the release lever, and I could then start it by HAND thanks to the millstones in the crankcase.? It was a constant source of amusement to see someone else try to start it.? I had an ancient oyal Enfield Bullet that was even more unforgiving.? The previou owner wanted to buy it back after I went through it and had put a heavy chunk of stainless on it for a kick peddle.? He was careless and it kicked back snapping said peddle off and chipping his two front teeth.? He bought it anyway,? Keith Williams
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From: W650riders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:W650riders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Cordell
Sent: 14 July 2007 18:39
To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Henderson R, On my second bike, a '69 XLCH Sportster, which I bought new in the summer of '68, the left hand grip was used to retard or advance the ignition. If one forgot and tried to start it on full advance it would "ever-so-gently" remind you of your trangression by trying to launch the operator a** over tea-kettle into outer space somewhere... Usually I could start it up with just two or three kicks though (unless it was real cold out) which was considered pretty good for that model. I think that '69 was the
last year of that magneto ignition on the Sportsters, too. Pete C --- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, Ruari McLennan ..> wrote: > > And on another unrelated topic, I vaguely recall my Dad telling me some > bikes had a hand operated timing advance control lever for descending hills > etc., but I didn't listen well enough, do you know what proportion pre- > 1960 had them? And UK or Britbikes? > > Ruari >
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Floyd Clymer, former Indian Dealership owner, former editor of CYCLE magazine, and owner to the rights to Indian motorcycle name in the 70s did put his name plates on some Enfields and some some Italian made motorcycles.
The bike pictured though, had a modern disk brake.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: "Larry Botheras" <larry.botheras@...>
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To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: RE: [W650riders] Henderson
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:33:05 +0100
Now I'm confused. I thought the Enfield Meteor or constellation was sold as
an Indian???
From: W650riders@... [mailto:W650riders@...] On
Behalf Of James Franklin
Sent: 14 July 2007 11:21
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
That is a Brittish "Indian", I think, because of copy rights, it can be
called an Indian in England, but if it were sold in the USA, it would be
sold as a Dakota.
Anyway, it is a much better "Indian" than those S&S V-Twin powered
California Motorcycle Company cookie cutter chopper things that won the
rights in court, to use the Indian trademark in the USA.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
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Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:02:27 +0100
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machinery by the owner!
Neat - saves re-programming the throttle position sensor, eh?
Ruari
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The hand operated advance/retard lever was common on Brit bikes before
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for starting, minimising kick-backs and ensuring a slow, lazy tick-over
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From what?I understand, the weakness of the Henderson was cooling of the middle two cylinders. Didn't spot a radiator on the Indian. Does it have the some problem?? ? Bill ? Hey Bubba, Hol' my beer and watch'is! Okie Bill
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What's the flywheel thingy right in the front of it?
Ruari
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Yip, uses a Volvo engine...
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
That is a Brittish "Indian", I think, because of copy rights, it can be
called an Indian in England, but if it were sold in the USA, it would be
sold as a Dakota.
Anyway, it is a much better "Indian" than those S&S V-Twin powered
California Motorcycle Company cookie cutter chopper things that won the
rights in court, to use the Indian trademark in the USA.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: "Mark Campbell" <scrubby64@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:02:27 +0100
Ok, who knows what this is....
----- Original Message -----
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To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
Like a lot of things in that era, they assumed a reasonable
understanding
of
machinery by the owner!
Neat - saves re-programming the throttle position sensor, eh?
Ruari
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To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
The hand operated advance/retard lever was common on Brit bikes
before
the
development of the spring loaded auto-advance mechanism. You set it
retarded
for starting, minimising kick-backs and ensuring a slow, lazy
tick-over
from
cold, and advanced it for fast running. You could also retard the
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Jon
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