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I have up loaded a piccie of my W650 on to the Temp Photo's...the bike
as is except the Givi rack, which was surprisingly effective, has been
removed, as I prefer bikes as naked as the day they were born....

Nige,
Nice and clean that is...I like that silver on blue color about the
best I think. Did you remove the crash bars also?

Pete C



-- In W650riders@..., "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
wrote:

I have up loaded a piccie of my W650 on to the Temp Photo's...the

bike

as is except the Givi rack, which was surprisingly effective, has

been

removed, as I prefer bikes as naked as the day they were born....

Crash bars - not yet, still un-decided. I hate the look but can see
the practicalities

The practical nature of crash bars is to reduce the number and severity of lower-body injuries while increasing the number and
severity of upper-body injuries, according to the HURT report. Good reading.

Jake

Hmmm...I wasn't thinking about me...I was thinking more in line with
save the engine!!

My uncle was a despatch rider/ convoy outrider during the war; the
first thing he was taught to do was slid the bike and dismount, thus
saving his legs. No, I tell a lie the first thing he was taught was
how to swim when he was stationed at Cattrick, this involved being
lobbed into the deep end; I suppose this is where the term 'sink or
swim' comes from.


--- In W650riders@..., "Captain Jake" <jake@...> wrote:

The practical nature of crash bars is to reduce the number and

severity of lower-body injuries while increasing the number and

severity of upper-body injuries, according to the HURT report. Good

reading.

Jake

----- Original Message -----
From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>


Crash bars - not yet, still un-decided. I hate the look but can see
the practicalities

When I was teaching, I heard a lot of stories about laying the bike down...in 1000 crashes, it was deemed to be the right thing in two of them, and of course people would ask why the CHP was taught to lay their bikes down..because they get behind them for cover..like to keep from being shot...most of us aren't faced with that scenereo.

Crash bars will reduce damage to the bike, and will make it easier to rock it back up on its tires, but they really aren't for you.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Bored here at work...so...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:13:43 -0000

Hmmm...I wasn't thinking about me...I was thinking more in line with
save the engine!!

My uncle was a despatch rider/ convoy outrider during the war; the
first thing he was taught to do was slid the bike and dismount, thus
saving his legs. No, I tell a lie the first thing he was taught was
how to swim when he was stationed at Cattrick, this involved being
lobbed into the deep end; I suppose this is where the term 'sink or
swim' comes from.


--- In W650riders@..., "Captain Jake" <jake@...> wrote:

The practical nature of crash bars is to reduce the number and

severity of lower-body injuries while increasing the number and

severity of upper-body injuries, according to the HURT report. Good

reading.

Jake

----- Original Message -----
From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>


Crash bars - not yet, still un-decided. I hate the look but can see
the practicalities

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I only decided to leave the crash bars on the bike to protect it
(engine casing etc); I didn't leave them on for my benefit.

The British Army used to use a skid pan to teach their despatch riders
to lay the bike down; whether that was to protect the riders from
enemy fire or it was thought to have other safety benefits I have no
idea.

Couple of little stories from my uncle's war days.

The first and probably his favourite was the time he was sent on
despatch. He came to a junction, the approach of which was manned by
an MP. My uncle asked directions and the MP replied that when he got
the junction my Unc' was to turn left, so of course my Unc' turned
left. However the MP was facing my Unc' when he told him, so my Unc'
turned his left, which was the Mp's right. After several miles he
started to wonder what the little plumes/spurts of dirt were that
where popping up around his bike, a few seconds later realisation hit
and he spun the bike round and hightailed out (well as fast as a WW2
Brit bike could hightail) away from the enemy machine gun fire that he
was encountering.

One for you Rauri...he spent times on secondment, he was in NI for a
bit as a batman/driver, cushy job, but most of his time was spent in
the field on active service, and one of these secondments was with the
Canadians; he loved it! Said they never called their officers by
anything except their first names and whilst they worked and fought
hard they also had a lot of laughs, he used to laugh until he cried at
the memories of one of the Canadian forage groups he went on. They
came across a big pig and decided pork should be on the menu, but one
of the Canadian wags decided to ride it rodeo style before they bopped
it on the head. Another time they came across a ch?teau and found a
load of big barrels in the cellar, the Canadian just smashed holes in
them and lay under them drinking the contents as it cascaded over
them; Unc' didn't partake as he was a strict Methodist but it didn't
stop him rolling about, cracking up at the memories :>)
--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin" <jimw650@...> wrote:

When I was teaching, I heard a lot of stories about laying the bike
down...in 1000 crashes, it was deemed to be the right thing in two

of them,

and of course people would ask why the CHP was taught to lay their

bikes

down..because they get behind them for cover..like to keep from being
shot...most of us aren't faced with that scenereo.

Crash bars will reduce damage to the bike, and will make it easier

to rock

it back up on its tires, but they really aren't for you.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Bored here at work...so...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:13:43 -0000

Hmmm...I wasn't thinking about me...I was thinking more in line with
save the engine!!

My uncle was a despatch rider/ convoy outrider during the war; the
first thing he was taught to do was slid the bike and dismount, thus
saving his legs. No, I tell a lie the first thing he was taught was
how to swim when he was stationed at Cattrick, this involved being
lobbed into the deep end; I suppose this is where the term 'sink or
swim' comes from.


--- In W650riders@..., "Captain Jake" <jake@> wrote:
>
> The practical nature of crash bars is to reduce the number and
severity of lower-body injuries while increasing the number and
> severity of upper-body injuries, according to the HURT report. Good
reading.
>
> Jake
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@>
>
>
> Crash bars - not yet, still un-decided. I hate the look but can see
> the practicalities
>

_________________________________________________________________
Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one
place!

I suspect it was to get them on the ground ASAP... There are VERY few situations where a properly applied front brake won't stop you a hellova lot faster than sliding along in a shower of sparks.

Of course that assumes your motorcycle of choice has a half decent front brake....Or for this myth to propogate...Has had one in the past. ( potato potato)

Jon

I only decided to leave the crash bars on the bike to protect it
(engine casing etc); I didn't leave them on for my benefit.

The British Army used to use a skid pan to teach their despatch riders
to lay the bike down; whether that was to protect the riders from
enemy fire or it was thought to have other safety benefits I have no
idea.

Couple of little stories from my uncle's war days.

The first and probably his favourite was the time he was sent on
despatch. He came to a junction, the approach of which was manned by
an MP. My uncle asked directions and the MP replied that when he got
the junction my Unc' was to turn left, so of course my Unc' turned
left. However the MP was facing my Unc' when he told him, so my Unc'
turned his left, which was the Mp's right. After several miles he
started to wonder what the little plumes/spurts of dirt were that
where popping up around his bike, a few seconds later realisation hit
and he spun the bike round and hightailed out (well as fast as a WW2
Brit bike could hightail) away from the enemy machine gun fire that he
was encountering.

One for you Rauri...he spent times on secondment, he was in NI for a
bit as a batman/driver, cushy job, but most of his time was spent in
the field on active service, and one of these secondments was with the
Canadians; he loved it! Said they never called their officers by
anything except their first names and whilst they worked and fought
hard they also had a lot of laughs, he used to laugh until he cried at
the memories of one of the Canadian forage groups he went on. They
came across a big pig and decided pork should be on the menu, but one
of the Canadian wags decided to ride it rodeo style before they bopped
it on the head. Another time they came across a chteau and found a
load of big barrels in the cellar, the Canadian just smashed holes in
them and lay under them drinking the contents as it cascaded over
them; Unc' didn't partake as he was a strict Methodist but it didn't
stop him rolling about, cracking up at the memories :>)
--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin" <jimw650@...> wrote:

When I was teaching, I heard a lot of stories about laying the bike
down...in 1000 crashes, it was deemed to be the right thing in two

of them,

and of course people would ask why the CHP was taught to lay their

bikes

down..because they get behind them for cover..like to keep from being
shot...most of us aren't faced with that scenereo.

Crash bars will reduce damage to the bike, and will make it easier

to rock

it back up on its tires, but they really aren't for you.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Bored here at work...so...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:13:43 -0000

Hmmm...I wasn't thinking about me...I was thinking more in line with
save the engine!!

My uncle was a despatch rider/ convoy outrider during the war; the
first thing he was taught to do was slid the bike and dismount, thus
saving his legs. No, I tell a lie the first thing he was taught was
how to swim when he was stationed at Cattrick, this involved being
lobbed into the deep end; I suppose this is where the term 'sink or
swim' comes from.


--- In W650riders@..., "Captain Jake" <jake@> wrote:
>
> The practical nature of crash bars is to reduce the number and
severity of lower-body injuries while increasing the number and
> severity of upper-body injuries, according to the HURT report. Good
reading.
>
> Jake
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@>
>
>
> Crash bars - not yet, still un-decided. I hate the look but can see
> the practicalities
>

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Great stories, Nige! My dad got despatch rider training in WWII in England and I also recall him talking about being trained to lay the bike down. He banged up his ankle sliding out on gravel on a hairpin on Box Hill, I think he said he was on an Indian, ended up in hospital next to a Canadian soldier with a broken leg, they escaped over the wall for a pub crawl one night bad legs in casts, crutches 'n all, got in big trouble. The friend later became a well-known Hollywood film and TV character actor, his name was Harry Beckman.

Ruari