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Re: Tank seam flanges

john gary simpson
 

Yep; it worked partially.

jv_roberts2000 wrote:
I read an article a few days ago on how to fix dents in dirt bike
headpipes by filling them with water to over the dent point and
placing in the freezer until hard frozen.

Anyone ever try this with a fuel tank??

Vernon

>
> I'm looking at a W with a dent in the tank. If I get it, I will
probably grind off the flanges, weld the seams, bodywork, and paint.
>
> Kirk Johnson ...> wrote:



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Re: Tank seam flanges

 

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Might work if you want a tank shaped like an ice cube.
?
Dennis? ;^)
?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Tank seam flanges

I read an article a few days ago on how to fix dents in dirt bike
headpipes by filling them with water to over the dent point and
placing in the freezer until hard frozen.

Anyone ever try this with a fuel tank??

Vernon

.


Re: NWC - RETRO jAWAS

 

My first bike was a Jawa....but I didn't see mine in the pictures that came up....



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: john gary simpson <eustisgary@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: RE: [W650riders] NWC - RETRO jAWAS
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT)

..you said what I was thinking....

Martin Taylor <martin.taylor@...> wrote: why would you want to?

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Sent: Tue 17/07/2007 17:21
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] NWC - RETRO jAWAS

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Check this out - you can buy retro Jawas now!

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Re: Tank seam flanges

Ruari McLennan
 

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Yes, why don't you try some dark grey autobody door edge moulding strip first to see how it looks?? It should just push?on.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

I though an anthracite type darkish grey...I think black would show up...especially on a silver tank
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

Well, now that you mention it, I thought about trying some flat black on the ugly flange when I repaint. I'll probably experiment with some flat black tape first. The goal being that the ugly flange won't be as noticeable.
I thought I was the only one that was bothered by the ugly flange.
If I were really a nerd I'd take the time to grind them down a bit when I repaint. Maybe seal the tank first, just in case the grinder get carried away.
Kirk

Ruari McLennan wrote:
No.

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To: <W650riders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

> Anyone gone to the trouble and expense to remove them? If not, have
> you considered it?
>
>
>
> Go to temporary photos site - ::
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> ::
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Re: TWO Reservations confirmed

 

The Plan..I always have one, and sometimes they work out..Adam is driving, pulling a trailer. George and I are really planning to ride.

The rest of the party could go either way (ride or trailer)..



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "jv_roberts2000" <jv_roberts2000@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: TWO Reservations confirmed
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:05:05 -0000

Can we expect more 6 wheeled adventure stories??

Vernon


I confirmed my reservations for Two Wheels Only, Suches GA today.

I will be staying Tuesday, 4 September through Thursday 6 September,
checking out on Friday the 7th.

So far, it will be Mariana, George, Tommy, Adam and me. My brother
John
says he is going this year, something usually comes up though, and
he can't
go, so we will see.



James Franklin
_________________________________________________________________


Re: Tank seam flanges

 

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I though an anthracite type darkish grey...I think black would show up...especially on a silver tank

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

Well, now that you mention it, I thought about trying some flat black on the ugly flange when I repaint. I'll probably experiment with some flat black tape first. The goal being that the ugly flange won't be as noticeable.
I thought I was the only one that was bothered by the ugly flange.
If I were really a nerd I'd take the time to grind them down a bit when I repaint. Maybe seal the tank first, just in case the grinder get carried away.
Kirk

Ruari McLennan wrote:
No.

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To: <W650riders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

> Anyone gone to the trouble and expense to remove them? If not, have
> you considered it?
>
>
>
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Re: NWC - RETRO jAWAS Jelly MOULD

ADRIAN
 

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Dammit - I meant Jelly MOULD!
?
?

----- Original Message -----
From: ADRIAN
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC - RETRO jAWAS

I guess it's a question of academic inerest.
?
(After all, they are manufactured and some people do buy them.)
?
Personally, I get bored with?reading up / viewing ?a lot of common stuff - ie. most Japanese?sports bikes?- jelly mold clones.
?
If? your interest is confined to these deadlly dull clones featured in the likes of "Bike" ?magazine, you're missing out on the wider world of bikes and all the wierd and wonderful stuff out there.? Well, that's my opinion -?each to his own.
?
I?imagine Jon' will have an interest......
?
?
Adrian
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: RE: [W650riders] NWC - RETRO jAWAS

why would you want to?


From: W650riders@... on behalf of ADRIAN
Sent: Tue 17/07/2007 17:21
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] NWC - RETRO jAWAS

?
?
Check this out - you can buy retro Jawas now!
?
Adrian


Re: NWC - RETRO jAWAS

ADRIAN
 

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I guess it's a question of academic inerest.
?
(After all, they are manufactured and some people do buy them.)
?
Personally, I get bored with?reading up / viewing ?a lot of common stuff - ie. most Japanese?sports bikes?- jelly mold clones.
?
If? your interest is confined to these deadlly dull clones featured in the likes of "Bike" ?magazine, you're missing out on the wider world of bikes and all the wierd and wonderful stuff out there.? Well, that's my opinion -?each to his own.
?
I?imagine Jon' will have an interest......
?
?
Adrian
?
?
?
?
?
?
?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: RE: [W650riders] NWC - RETRO jAWAS

why would you want to?


From: W650riders@... on behalf of ADRIAN
Sent: Tue 17/07/2007 17:21
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] NWC - RETRO jAWAS

?
?
Check this out - you can buy retro Jawas now!
?
Adrian


Re: Tank seam flanges

 

I read an article a few days ago on how to fix dents in dirt bike
headpipes by filling them with water to over the dent point and
placing in the freezer until hard frozen.

Anyone ever try this with a fuel tank??

Vernon



I'm looking at a W with a dent in the tank. If I get it, I will
probably grind off the flanges, weld the seams, bodywork, and paint.

Kirk Johnson <johnsonkirk@...> wrote:


Re: Tank seam flanges

john gary simpson
 

Having repaired a badly dented Beemer tank and stretched a Harley
tank, I feel confident that de-seamimg a W tank wouldn't be difficult
and would hold up better than the original. Those external seams are
simply the cheapest way to make the tank.--- In
W650riders@..., "Martin Taylor" <martin.taylor@...> wrote:

I knew a guy a long time ago who had a mini.(BMC not BMW) One of
the not so great features of the old mini's was that they loads of
sticky out flanges/seams and he thought it would be a good idea to
flat them back flush with the bodywork. The end result looked superb
especially after a shiny new coat of cellulose paint. Unfortunately
the sticky out bits was what held the whole thing together..........

________________________________

From: W650riders@... on behalf of john gary simpson
Sent: Wed 18/07/2007 17:31
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges



I'm looking at a W with a dent in the tank. If I get it, I will
probably grind off the flanges, weld the seams, bodywork, and paint.

Kirk Johnson <johnsonkirk@...> wrote:

Well, now that you mention it, I thought about trying some
flat black on the ugly flange when I repaint. I'll probably
experiment with some flat black tape first. The goal being that the
ugly flange won't be as noticeable.
I thought I was the only one that was bothered by the ugly
flange.
If I were really a nerd I'd take the time to grind them down
a bit when I repaint. Maybe seal the tank first, just in case the
grinder get carried away.
Kirk

Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote:

No.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

> Anyone gone to the trouble and expense to remove
them? If not, have
> you considered it?
>
>
>
> Go to temporary photos site -
<> ::
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<mailto:W! 650riders-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> to stop email
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Re: TWO Reservations confirmed

 

Can we expect more 6 wheeled adventure stories??

Vernon


I confirmed my reservations for Two Wheels Only, Suches GA today.

I will be staying Tuesday, 4 September through Thursday 6 September,
checking out on Friday the 7th.

So far, it will be Mariana, George, Tommy, Adam and me. My brother
John
says he is going this year, something usually comes up though, and
he can't
go, so we will see.



James Franklin


TWO Reservations confirmed

 

I confirmed my reservations for Two Wheels Only, Suches GA today.

I will be staying Tuesday, 4 September through Thursday 6 September, checking out on Friday the 7th.

So far, it will be Mariana, George, Tommy, Adam and me. My brother John says he is going this year, something usually comes up though, and he can't go, so we will see.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

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Re: Tank seam flanges

 

Forget the seams, dents, and all that trouble, already! I'm just going to
replace mine with a big rubber party balloon. Much more festive, too.

Jake


Original Message:
-----------------
From: john gary simpson eustisgary@...


I'm looking at a W with a dent in the tank. If I get it, I will probably
grind off the flanges, weld the seams, bodywork, and paint.

Kirk Johnson <johnsonkirk@...> wrote: Well, now that
you mention it, I thought about trying some flat black on the ugly flange
when I repaint. I'll probably experiment with some flat black tape first.
The goal being that the ugly flange won't be as noticeable.
I thought I was the only one that was bothered by the ugly flange.
If I were really a nerd I'd take the time to grind them down a bit when I
repaint. Maybe seal the tank first, just in case the grinder get carried
away.
Kirk

Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote:
No.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

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Re: Tank seam flanges

Martin Taylor
 

I knew a guy a long time ago who had a mini.(BMC not BMW) One of the not so great features of the old mini's was that they loads of sticky out flanges/seams and he thought it would be a good idea to flat them back flush with the bodywork. The end result looked superb especially after a shiny new coat of cellulose paint. Unfortunately the sticky out bits was what held the whole thing together..........

________________________________

From: W650riders@... on behalf of john gary simpson
Sent: Wed 18/07/2007 17:31
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges



I'm looking at a W with a dent in the tank. If I get it, I will probably grind off the flanges, weld the seams, bodywork, and paint.

Kirk Johnson <johnsonkirk@...> wrote:

Well, now that you mention it, I thought about trying some flat black on the ugly flange when I repaint. I'll probably experiment with some flat black tape first. The goal being that the ugly flange won't be as noticeable.
I thought I was the only one that was bothered by the ugly flange.
If I were really a nerd I'd take the time to grind them down a bit when I repaint. Maybe seal the tank first, just in case the grinder get carried away.
Kirk

Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote:

No.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

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> you considered it?
>
>
>
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Still she didn't see it NWC

Dick Tym
 

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Believe it or not this bike from the Brighton area was taken out by a female cage driver because she claimed she didn't see it
Dick


Re: Tank seam flanges

john gary simpson
 

I'm looking at a W with a dent in the tank.? If I get it, I will probably grind off the flanges, weld the seams, bodywork, and paint.

Kirk Johnson wrote:
Well, now that you mention it, I thought about trying some flat black on the ugly flange when I repaint. I'll probably experiment with some flat black tape first. The goal being that the ugly flange won't be as noticeable.
I thought I was the only one that was bothered by the ugly flange.
If I were really a nerd I'd take the time to grind them down a bit when I repaint. Maybe seal the tank first, just in case the grinder get carried away.
Kirk

Ruari McLennan ca> wrote:
No.

----- Original Message -----
From: "john gary simpson" <eustisgary@yahoo.com>
To: <W650riders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

> Anyone gone to the trouble and expense to remove them? If not, have
> you considered it?
>
>
>
> Go to temporary photos site - ::
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Re: Tank seam flanges

Kirk Johnson
 

Well, now that you mention it, I thought about trying some flat black on the ugly flange when I repaint. I'll probably experiment with some flat black tape first. The goal being that the ugly flange won't be as noticeable.
I thought I was the only one that was bothered by the ugly flange.
If I were really a nerd I'd take the time to grind them down a bit when I repaint. Maybe seal the tank first, just in case the grinder get carried away.
Kirk

Ruari McLennan wrote:

No.

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To: <W650riders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Tank seam flanges

> Anyone gone to the trouble and expense to remove them? If not, have
> you considered it?
>
>
>
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Re: jetting

 

Pilot adjustment should be set so that with the bike warm, there is no discernable popping. Popping is symptomatic of a LEAN mix and will make the bike feel lacklustre during warm-up.

The KLR needles are fine. Main jets only matter after 6000 rpm with stock airboxes the 122's will be spot on.....all you need to do is fiddle with needle height. Start with the needles at their lowest ( leanest) point. They'll still be better than stock there but lifting them one notch at a time will get you to the right place. Look for improvements from 4000 to 6000 rpm...That's where the stock ones fall down once decent pipes are fitted!

Good luck!

Jon

Hi Jon
I just got my bike, it was shipped from California to New Hampshire,
and so it took awhile. It is currently fitted with fish pipes but not
rejetted. I would like to have a go at it and would like some advice
on the best jets/needles. Based on your previous recommendations I
have located the KLX 300 needles and thought I would get a 122 and a
112 main jet in case I go back to the stock pipes. Would you recommend
going with the Kawasaki jet/needles or aftermarket like factory pro.
The Price is not much different when you start using combinations. The
bike still runs poorly during warm-up (30 minutes of riding) and I
have adjusted the pilot screw out to the point where the bike started
popping off throttle. I also checked the carburetors' synchronization
and it look good. I am hoping it is not the vacuum diaphragm. Anyway
thanks for your help.
Mike




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Re: Oil/ Oil Additives

nige_1959
 

Interesting...I used to look in on the Triumph Triple site and they
were discussing this and several blokes did this, one of them on the
basis that this what they used to aircraft engines.

However MCN or Bike magazine did an investigation, they took two bikes
(two Beemers I think) and run one in by the book and the other without
regard for the factory procedure, in short they red-lined it from the
off. The result was that initially the bike run-in by the book made
less power than the red-lined bike. They dyno'ed the same bikes
periodically and found that after some 7-8k miles the power
charcterisitcs had reversed with the one run in by the factory spec
now making more power than the red-lined bike.

My mate was told, when he picked up his bike, that the best way to
make best power was to stick to the factory rev-limit but to get to
that limit as briskly as possible, not to labour the engine and to
occasionally allow the revs to go over the rev-limit...this was a long
time ago, some 25-30 years (he had a Suzuki GS550L), and engine
tolerances are a lot better now so this method may not now be
appropriate. The MCN/Bike investigation though was in the last 5
years, as I read about it since I came back to biking.

In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras" <larry.botheras@...>
wrote:

I've never been brave enough to use the technique on a new motor,
but Jon's
right. that 's the way to optimise powr out of your mill. It does
involve
an oil change every few operatins for a very few miles





Larry Botheras



Essex UK

W650 Wrench

2007 Moto Guzzi Norge

1977 KH400

1978 CD175

1994 Ural Solo







From: W650riders@... [mailto:W650riders@...] On
Behalf Of Jon Haddock
Sent: 17 July 2007 20:41
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Oil/ Oil Additives



Ferraris and Porsches DEFINITELY get their rings broken in at the
factory before they are sold. They power part of the Porsche factory
from the dynos. This is because they are obliged to guarantee a
minimum power output and the only way to ensure this is to bed the
rings properly. They do this by loading the motor and revving it to
the red line several times. The cycling of hard load and relax to
idle super-heats the rings while they are still rough, melting the
ring's high spots and creating a smooth gas tight surfce. The rapid
drop to idle in-between the rev-outs bathes the rings in cooling oil
vapour.
Several race car engine bulders do the same thing, and in fact if you
baby a motor without doing this as your first action, the rings will
never properly bed-in.

Synthetics cannot stop this initial high spot heating and
melting...They're good but not THAT good...they only manage around
100 deg C above mineral oils before they break down. That's enough to
guarantee zero wear at normal engine temps, but they'll run-in fine
during those initial few bursts.

Jon

That's not entirely true. New engines that are perfectly honed
from the factory don't require ring-seating and can use synthetic
from the get go. If you rebuild your engines at home and have less
than perfect equipment, as I do, you STILL need to seat your rings
with fossil oil. They will take ten times as long, if ever, to seat
using synthetic oil.

Ray Nielsen <rnielse1@> wrote: --- In
W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"bufallobiff" <mschuder@>
wrote:

---Moto-Guzzi has synthetic in them from the factory and it's
the "break in" oil.
Break in oils these days are regular motor oils. Mobil 1's web site
<www.mobil1.com> used to have a FAQ section where they addressed
the
issue of break in vs. synthetic oil.

They noted that some Corvettes, Aston-Martins, Porsches and a few
other brands came from the factory with Mobil 1 in the crankcase.
In a nutshell, NO problems with using a synthetic during break in.

I've changed to Mobil 1 in my new bikes at the first change
interval, usually around 600 miles. No problems and many have
achieved high mileage (several over 100 K miles). These bikes ran
the gamut from a 1100cc Gold Wing, a Suzuki Burgman scooter, W650,
Bandit 1200, Suzuki Boulevard M50 and more that I can't remember --
about 15-18 bikes in the last 24 years.

Just my two bits worth.

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jetting

 

Hi Jon
I just got my bike, it was shipped from California to New Hampshire,
and so it took awhile. It is currently fitted with fish pipes but not
rejetted. I would like to have a go at it and would like some advice
on the best jets/needles. Based on your previous recommendations I
have located the KLX 300 needles and thought I would get a 122 and a
112 main jet in case I go back to the stock pipes. Would you recommend
going with the Kawasaki jet/needles or aftermarket like factory pro.
The Price is not much different when you start using combinations. The
bike still runs poorly during warm-up (30 minutes of riding) and I
have adjusted the pilot screw out to the point where the bike started
popping off throttle. I also checked the carburetors' synchronization
and it look good. I am hoping it is not the vacuum diaphragm. Anyway
thanks for your help.
Mike