----- Original Message -----

From: Jonhaddock@...

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN

?

Hmm...Those weren't based on the XR though...they're water-cooled for starters...Not available in the UK and not many grey imports brought in because they weren't as good as an XR at fast stuff and weren't as good as a Serow at nadgery trails . Quite heavy too...

Laura: The best of all those 250's was the Honda NX 250 from '88,'89 and very cool with it's mini fairing. Here's a pic of my NX 650, they looked alike.?Used they're reasonably priced. Daniel

----- Original Message -----

From: Laura

To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:22 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN

Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250) what would be I be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for town/commuting. I do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable. But you know I go through phases so please don't take it that I will go and buy one tomorrow, I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't even sat one. Are they easy to get hold of?

Laura

On 01/07/07, James Franklin <jimw650@hotmail.com> wrote:

Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.

The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa 250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or less
unladen.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





>From: Laura <laurauk.rider@googlemail.com >
>Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>AGAIN
>Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100
>
>OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are they
>cheap could I have them as second bike?
>KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his food
>reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
>Laura
>
>
>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@onetel.net < jonhaddock@onetel.net> wrote:
>>
>>??Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR 250's are
>>OK. I find I can manage those??well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't
>>ride
>>the KTM's for instance.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@googlemail.com>
>>*To:* W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>>*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
>>*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>>AGAIN
>>
>>I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding position),
>>well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
>>high
>>aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.
>>
>>Laura
>>
>>
>>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@onetel.net < jonhaddock@onetel.net
>>net+>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
>>singles,
>> >
>> > tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They are
>>very
>> > low
>> > geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
>> > approximately
>> > where the seat would have been.
>> >
>> > Other off-road sports are:
>> >
>> > Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials, have no
>> > lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really well but
>> > are
>> > stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect seat
>> > heights
>> > in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes
>>with
>> > road front wheels on.
>> >
>> > Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
>> > softly
>> > tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have lighting
>> > sets.
>> > These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally
>>stunning
>> > commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard indeed
>>to
>> > find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
>> > duties.
>> > They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your Harley...and
>>30
>> > bhp
>> > in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha 465
>> > with
>> > 42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A lot
>> > of
>> > Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are Roads...i.e.
>> > 'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In other
>> > words,
>> > forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still had
>>to
>> > be
>> > fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often just
>> > muddy
>> > tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro bikes
>> > are
>> > not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But being
>> > macho
>> > men we used 'em anyway!
>> >
>> > Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have less
>> > suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You used to
>> > find
>> > some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports are
>> > found.
>> > They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew what
>> > they
>> > were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki Sherpa and
>> > so
>> > on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the
>>XR250
>> >
>> > Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.
>> >
>> > All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
>> > incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to have
>> > superb
>> > handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy rough
>> > ground
>> > and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
>> > bike
>> > with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into the
>> > weeds.
>> >
>> > They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly good
>> > suspension make for a real armchair riding position.
>> >
>> > Very high credibility too......
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > From: Laura
>> > >>Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
>> > >>in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
>> > >>the grass at the rally next weekend.
>> > >
>> > > Laura, here's some trials riding:
>> > >
>> > >
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