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From: Laura

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Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN

I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding position), well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are mostly high aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.

Laura

On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@... > wrote:

That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke singles,
tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They are very low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area approximately
where the seat would have been.

Other off-road sports are:

Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials, have no
lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really well but are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect seat heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes with
road front wheels on.

Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are more softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have lighting sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally stunning
commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard indeed to
find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your Harley...and 30 bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha 465 with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A lot of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are Roads...i.e.
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In other words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still had to be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often just muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro bikes are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But being macho
men we used 'em anyway!

Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have less
suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You used to find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports are found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew what they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki Sherpa and so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the XR250
Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.

All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to have superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy rough ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into the
weeds.

They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly good
suspension make for a real armchair riding position.

Very high credibility too......

Jon




> From: Laura
>>Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
>>in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
>>the grass at the rally next weekend.
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