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Past Its Hay-Day?


 

Such a pity. This group has been tailing off since 2011. Such a wealth of insight too! Think a Yahoo re-org had something to do with it.


 

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From: "betwys1@... [VacuumX]"
To: VacuumX@...
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 10:25 PM
Subject: [VacuumX] Past Its Hay-Day?

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Such a pity. This group has been tailing off since 2011. Such a wealth of insight too! Think a Yahoo re-org had something to do with it.



 

On 11/12/2017 10:25 PM, betwys1@... [VacuumX] wrote:
Such a pity. This group has been tailing off since 2011. Such a wealth
of insight too! Think a Yahoo re-org had something to do with it.
It should definitely be moved, probably to groups.io like the rest of
the Yahoo! groups, before it disappears completely.

-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


 

The has been fine for the interferometry group for a few years now.??

Drew in sunny FLA

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Dave McGuire Mcguire@... [VacuumX] <VacuumX@...> wrote:
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On 11/12/2017 10:25 PM, betwys1@... [VacuumX] wrote:
> Such a pity. This group has been tailing off since 2011. Such a wealth
> of insight too! Think a Yahoo re-org had something to do with it.

It should definitely be moved, probably to like the rest of
the Yahoo! groups, before it disappears completely.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA



 

Well, let’s generate some traffic!

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About 25 years ago I worked at a small thin film R&D outfit in Ventura CA. It was the most fun job I’ve had. Part of it was maintaining the sputtering system that was central to the whole operation. It had a 5HP mechanical roughing pump followed by a small turbo. Turbo was connected to the load lock chamber. The sputtering chamber itself was pumped by a cryo. It was a two target Gartek sputtering system. A shuttle system, magnetically coupled to an external drive, moved a pallet holding the wafer to be coated from the load lock to the first position - a water-cooled table that raised up to hold the pallet. Bellows allowed the motion in the vacuum. Once the cryo took the chamber down to 10^-6 Torr (ion & pirani gauges) the chamber was flooded with a small amount of Argon. A magnetron target above the wafer was then energized with either 13.56 MHz RF if it was a dielectric target or DC HV for conductive target. The resulting plasma sputtered the atoms from the target to the wafer. When that was done the wafer on the pallet could be moved farther into the system to the next table and target for the next material coating. We sputtered Gold, Palladium, Titanium, Titanium-Tungsten, Copper, and some dielectrics that I don’t recall. I wrote the software that ran the system in Forth (the boss liked Forth) rebuilt each pump, designed the load lock door and target magnets, and so on. Thus began my love of vacuum science. Now I have a small diffusion pumped system in my home shop, just for fun.

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The gurgle of a roughing pump, the whine of an accelerating turbo, the throbbing of a cryo cold head drive. Music to my ears.


WA6EJO


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All Yahoo groups have been dwindling for years now.
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Google and Bing/MS stopped searching and indexing Yahoo Groups so new members have become nearly nonexistent.
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You can try it yourself.? Do a Google search for things that you KNOW can be found in Yahoo groups but don't use either the word "Yahoo" or word "Group."
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-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738

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From: VacuumX@... [mailto:VacuumX@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 5:25 PM
To: VacuumX@...
Subject: [VacuumX] Past Its Hay-Day?

Such a pity. This group has been tailing off since 2011. Such a wealth of insight too! Think a Yahoo re-org had something to do with it.


Virus-free.


 

So where is THE place to go for information now?? I have been lurking for years and collecting various equipment, waiting for the time when I have space to set up rigs for experiments and such.

On Nov 13, 2017 1:39 PM, "'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [VacuumX]" <VacuumX@...> wrote:
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All Yahoo groups have been dwindling for years now.
?
Google and Bing/MS stopped searching and indexing Yahoo Groups so new members have become nearly nonexistent.
?
You can try it yourself.? Do a Google search for things that you KNOW can be found in Yahoo groups but don't use either the word "Yahoo" or word "Group."
?
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-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738

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From: VacuumX@... [mailto:VacuumX@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 5:25 PM
To: VacuumX@...
Subject: [VacuumX] Past Its Hay-Day?

Such a pity. This group has been tailing off since 2011. Such a wealth of insight too! Think a Yahoo re-org had something to do with it.


Virus-free.


 

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IMHO, Yahoo groups is still as good as it gets, for now.
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Who knows what the future holds.
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I am a mod on Cloudy Nights.? They already have an ATM forum but I could ask if they are willing to add a vacuum forum.? Odds are probably not good for getting one though.
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-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738

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From: VacuumX@... [mailto:VacuumX@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:06 AM
To: VacuumX@...
Subject: RE: [VacuumX] Past Its Hay-Day?

So where is THE place to go for information now?? I have been lurking for years and collecting various equipment, waiting for the time when I have space to set up rigs for experiments and such.

On Nov 13, 2017 1:39 PM, "'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [VacuumX]" <VacuumX@...> wrote:
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All Yahoo groups have been dwindling for years now.
?
Google and Bing/MS stopped searching and indexing Yahoo Groups so new members have become nearly nonexistent.
?
You can try it yourself.? Do a Google search for things that you KNOW can be found in Yahoo groups but don't use either the word "Yahoo" or word "Group."
?
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-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738

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From: VacuumX@... [mailto:VacuumX@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 5:25 PM
To: VacuumX@...
Subject: [VacuumX] Past Its Hay-Day?

Such a pity. This group has been tailing off since 2011. Such a wealth of insight too! Think a Yahoo re-org had something to do with it.


Virus-free.


Steve J. Noll
 

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Well, let’s generate some traffic!

?

About 25 years ago I worked at a small thin film R&D outfit in Ventura CA. It was the most fun job I’ve had. Part of it was maintaining the sputtering system that was central to the whole operation. It had a 5HP mechanical roughing pump followed by a small turbo. Turbo was connected to the load lock chamber. The sputtering chamber itself was pumped by a cryo. It was a two target Gartek sputtering system. A shuttle system, magnetically coupled to an external drive, moved a pallet holding the wafer to be coated from the load lock to the first position - a water-cooled table that raised up to hold the pallet. Bellows allowed the motion in the vacuum. Once the cryo took the chamber down to 10^-6 Torr (ion & pirani gauges) the chamber was flooded with a small amount of Argon. A magnetron target above the wafer was then energized with either 13.56 MHz RF if it was a dielectric target or DC HV for conductive target. The resulting plasma sputtered the atoms from the target to the wafer. When that was done the wafer on the pallet could be moved farther into the system to the next table and target for the next material coating. We sputtered Gold, Palladium, Titanium, Titanium-Tungsten, Copper, and some dielectrics that I don’t recall. I wrote the software that ran the system in Forth (the boss liked Forth) rebuilt each pump, designed the load lock door and target magnets, and so on. Thus began my love of vacuum science. Now I have a small diffusion pumped system in my home shop, just for fun.

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The gurgle of a roughing pump, the whine of an accelerating turbo, the throbbing of a cryo cold head drive. Music to my ears.


Steve WA6EJO



 

On 11/14/2017 12:12 PM, 'Christopher Erickson'
christopher.k.erickson@... [VacuumX] wrote:
IMHO, Yahoo groups is still as good as it gets, for now.
Eh.

Who knows what the future holds.

I am a mod on Cloudy Nights. They already have an ATM forum but I could
ask if they are willing to add a vacuum forum. Odds are probably not
good for getting one though.
Most of the Yahoo Groups folks have migrated to groups.io. It was
built as a replacement for Yahoo Groups, when Yahoo started really going
downhill business-wise. It was built by the original developer of the
Yahoo Groups system, and is very good; it has some nice migration tools
that can be used to move group files, even archives I think. It's good
stuff.

(I don't work for them or anything, I'm just a very happy user)

-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA