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VARA FM Kenwood D710g Ext 9600 not working
VARA FM works very fast at 1200... but has anyone set Ext 9600 using VARA FM?
The only way we can get it to work so far is with EXT baud rate??set to?1200?.? ?Kenwood TM-D710g Menu 919
I have everything set to 9600, DRA-30 board pin 9600, including RMS and wide FM.
Except when Ext baud rate 9600 is set it does not work, only ext 1200...
Go figure.
?Anything different noted, suggestions?
thanks john KK4SHF |
Randy Neals
John, Describe the cable between your RA board and the Data Port on your D710. What wires have you connected on the DRA and D710, and to which data port on the D710 are you plugging in? Randy W3RWN? On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:53 PM john sails <johnsails@...> wrote:
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I have a D710G.? A different pin is used for 1200 baud (narrow) vs 9600 baud (wide).? If you are using the din-6 adapter from Master Communications then you just need to move a jumper.? If you are using a DIN-6 to DB9 connector you will need to change how it is wired.? I have also found that I have to turn up the volumes to make it work as well when set toe 9600.
Mat |
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýJohn,
I believe the Kenwood D710 is changed between 1200 and 9600 baud operation in the radios menu system (selected in software).? It's possible that 1200 or 9600 audio comes out the same pin on the radios DIN connector, and switching it in software makes the baud rate change.? This is not the normal way many data capable radios handle the two audio types.? Many radios have BOTH 1200 and 9600 audio available at the DIN connector and moving the mechanical jumper on the DIN-6 adapter physically switches between the two.? If my assumption is correct, and baud rate is changed in the radios software, then the 1200 / 9600 jumper on the DIN-6 adapter (or DRA-36 or DRA-50) might have to stay in one position.? Which one is unknown, but maybe 1200.? That's probably why nothing works when switching the position of the mechanical jumper to the 9600 position, but this is only speculation on my part.? The manual for this radio is so poor - I can't even tell how the data terminal port is wired, never the less how it's supposed to be configured.? Maybe someone that actually has one of these radios can explain how it works - because the manual isn't doing it for me. Kevin On 6/7/2020 6:52 PM, john sails wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe transmit audio level to the D710 needs to be significantly higher if you use the 9600 pin for input.
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John; ooops... you're right. That's a difference between the TM-D710G and the TM-V71 I have. I gather you've already tried using menu 518 "EXT. DATA SPEED". When you change that setting from 1200 to 9600, the audio through the tx-audio pin of the mini-DIN 6 "data" connector is routed to a different?point in the modulator (without equalization). As others have pointed out, you need a higher tx level for the 9600 setting than you would need for 1200bps. Mark - AD7EF |
TM-D710G 'data' port (mini-DIN 6) 1200bps - 9600bps details...
I've taken a careful look through the various manuals for the Kenwood DM-710 series radios, particularly the TM-D710G / GA Service manual. The mini-DIN 6 "data" connector at the back of the TM-D710 radio chassis (-not- on the control head) is used for data communications with an external TNC or with "USB sound-card" radio interfaces such as the TigerTronics SignaLink or the Masters Communications RA- and DRA- boards. As with almost all other VHF/UHF radios that can support 9600bps data communications, the TM-D710 radio chassis "data" connector has separate "1200bps" receive and "9600bps" receive-audio output pins, and one transmit-audio input pin. The TM-D710 menu 518 "EXT. DATA SPEED" setting controls how audio into and out of the "data" jack is routed to the corresponding circuitry in the radio. When menu 518 is set to 1200bps, receive audio after bandpass filtering is routed to the 1200bps rx-audio pin (5 - 'PR1'), and transmit audio from the tx-audio pin (1 - 'PKD') is routed to a stage in the modulator circuit where bandpass filtering will be applied. When menu 518 is set to 9600bps, receive audio immediately out of the discriminator (no filtering) is routed to the 9600bps rx-audio pin (4 - 'PR9'), and transmit audio from the tx-audio pin (1 - 'PKD') is routed to a stage in the transmitter circuitry immediately before the reactance modulator, where no filtering is applied. There's an important consequence of having two different audio inputs on the data connector for 1200bps vs. 9600bps; if you want to use one "USB sound-card" radio interface to connect to P2P or gateway stations operating in either 1200bps / VARA FM NARROW or 9600 bps / VARA FM WIDE modes, your radio and sound-card radio interface device must both be kept in the 9600bps configuration. Otherwise, you'd need to change the menu 518 setting and the interface cable each time you change from low-speed to high speed data communications. Fortunately, most gateway stations and P2P stations that use a TNC or sound-card radio interface designed for 1200bps operation can accommodate 1200bps connections from stations configured to operate at 9600bps. A very convenient feature of the Kenwood VHF/UHF external TNC implementation is that the pin 3 'PKS' PTT-control signal will mute the radio microphone when an external TNC or sound-card radio interface keys the radio. This makes voice coordination on a P2P data link simply a matter of keying the microphone when the data link is idle. Mark - AD7EF |
John;
Those numbers are indicative of a good VARA FM NARROW link... Below is my session log from a local VARA FM gateway, operating at 1200bps, using my Kenwood TM-V71 with a DRA-45 board. My VARA FM modem was set for WIDE, but the gateway is listed as 1200 bps. The status indicator in my VARA FM modem window displayed NARROW during this session: Optimal path VARA FM with K7ENN-11 VHF (144.970) 1200bps (NARROW) gateway -- Received email
with 118KB (72,333KB compressed) attachment.
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*** Connected to Winlink RMS: K7ENN-11 @ 2020/06/07 01:39:38 Freq: 144.970 at 2020/06/07
01:39:38
K7ENN Vara Gateway
[WL2K-5.0-B2FWIHJM$]
;PQ: 76673441
CMS via K7ENN >
;FW: AD7EF
[RMS Express-1.5.28.0-B2FHM$]
;PR: 60739855
; K7ENN-11 DE AD7EF (CN85RI)
FF
;PM: AD7EF TTZ4PJHTD0I0 71729 markad7ef@... using GPIB appnote .pdf
FC EM TTZ4PJHTD0I0 118213 71729 0
F> 75
FS Y
*** Receiving TTZ4PJHTD0I0
*** TTZ4PJHTD0I0 - 118228/71739 bytes received
*** Bytes: 72333, Time: 01:01, bytes/minute: 70303
FF
FQ
*** --- End of session at 2020/06/07 01:41:05 ---
*** Messages sent: 0. Total bytes sent: 0, Time: 01:27, bytes/minute: 0
*** Messages Received: 1. Total bytes received: 72333, Total session time: 01:27, bytes/minute: 49722 On a full-speed VARA FM WIDE P2P test (VHF) between my Kenwood radio (with the DRA-45) and my ICOM IC-7100 using the built-in sound card, the throughput was almost double the previous example: Optimal path P2P transfer with AD7EF-10 VHF VARA FM WIDE station -- Received email with 118KB
(72,333KB compressed) attachment.
*** Connected to Peer: AD7EF-10 @ 2020/06/07 02:38:26 Freq: 0.000 at 2020/06/07 02:38:26 ;FW: AD7EF-10 TEST-MD01
[RMS Express-1.5.28.0-B2FHM$]
AD7EF-10 DE AD7EF-10 >
;FW: AD7EF
[RMS Express-1.5.28.0-B2FHM$]
; AD7EF-10 DE AD7EF (CN85RI)
FC EM N8OM34H1R28H 118466 71864 0
F> BE
FS Y
*** Receiving N8OM34H1R28H
*** N8OM34H1R28H - 118466/71864 bytes received
*** Bytes: 72474, Time: 00:30, bytes/minute: 141826
FF
FQ
*** --- End of session at 2020/06/07 02:39:10 ---
*** Messages sent: 0. Total bytes sent: 0, Time: 00:43, bytes/minute: 0
*** Messages Received: 1. Total bytes received: 72474, Total session time: 00:43, bytes/minute: 99890
*** Disconnected from Peer: AD7EF-10 @ 2020/06/07 02:39:11
*** Session: 0.7 min; Avg Thruput: 89202 Bytes/min; 1 Min Peak Thruput: 89202 Bytes/min
The VARA FM modem window, on the receive end, looked like this: Note the connection status indicator displays 'WIDE'. Full-speed throughput for a good VARA FM WIDE connection with a 9600bps P2P or gateway station should be 50KBytes to 90KBytes per minute. Mark - AD7EF |
John;
I misinterpreted the connection log you sent. The numbers are very misleading because the messages are very short. A realistic measure of throughput is to send a reasonably large data file attachment. 60KByte to 100KByte .jpg files are good, because they don't compress very much. My tests were done with a data file attachment that compressed to about 70KBytes. Mark - AD7EF |
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