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VARA HF Disconnects Before Messages Are Sent
I am new to
VARA HF and to the group.? Last week I set up my W11 computer and
IC-7300 radio. I was able to start sending messages using Vara HF.? I
didn't use Winlink for a couple of days.? When I tried to send a message
a few days ago I could not connect to any station. I checked every
sound setting I could find on my computer and reduced my transmit power.
I don't know what changed.? Yesterday I connected to two different
stations, but both dropped the connection after more than 5 minutes into
transmitting the message. The send rate was extremely low.? I would
appreciate any suggestions you may have. Patricia WA4WSZ |
Patricia, Its all antennas, distortion,? and propagation.? Vara (and all protocols for that matter) have mechanisms for measuring the S:N and frame success rate (How many SUCCESSFUL bytes transmitted per minute.? If that number falls below a certain threshold the protocol?killls?the link rather than taking many minutes of airtime up with low probability?of passing a complete message.? What can help?? Several things: 1) Pick a frequency band and distance which have better propagation.? e.g.? Some bands are better at night or day.? Generally longer distances are weak....but not always.? 2) Short messages of course transfer faster ....avoid big attachments. 3) Check and optimise your antenna. Height, SWR etc. 4) Make sure your radio drive is set to optimum.? Too much audio drive can result in distortion (due to ALC)? ?For the 7300 you want the ALC no more than about 1/4 scale.? Almost all protocols work best with minimal distortion and near optimum power settings.? 5) Select stations and bands based on propagation (history and propagation maps)? ?Also make sure the stations are running (e.g 24/7 etc)? Good Luck Rick Muething, KN6KB? Winlink Development Team On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 9:27?AM Patricia Dominguez via <WA4WSZ=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育For propagation information, I highly recommend www.voacap.com/hf Once you learn how to use it, and how to interpret the info, it can be very useful! I use it regularly for point-to-point comms. Ken W7EKB Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S21 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Rick Muething via groups.io" <rickmuething@...> Date: 12/6/24 07:10 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [VARA-MODEM] VARA HF Disconnects Before Messages Are Sent Patricia, Its all antennas, distortion,? and propagation.? Vara (and all protocols for that matter) have mechanisms for measuring the S:N and frame success rate (How many SUCCESSFUL bytes transmitted per minute.? If that number falls below a certain threshold the protocol?killls?the link rather than taking many minutes of airtime up with low probability?of passing a complete message.? What can help?? Several things: 1) Pick a frequency band and distance which have better propagation.? e.g.? Some bands are better at night or day.? Generally longer distances are weak....but not always.? 2) Short messages of course transfer faster ....avoid big attachments. 3) Check and optimise your antenna. Height, SWR etc. 4) Make sure your radio drive is set to optimum.? Too much audio drive can result in distortion (due to ALC)? ?For the 7300 you want the ALC no more than about 1/4 scale.? Almost all protocols work best with minimal distortion and near optimum power settings.? 5) Select stations and bands based on propagation (history and propagation maps)? ?Also make sure the stations are running (e.g 24/7 etc)? Good Luck Rick Muething, KN6KB? Winlink Development Team On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 9:27?AM Patricia Dominguez via <WA4WSZ=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育Patricia, The vagaries of HF propagation may be at work, here. 1) When you go to any band on your IC-7300, you should see activity in the FT8 channel.? If not, then the band for your location is really closed, as I've found that FT8 activity is about the last to go as a band shuts down.? The FT8 frequencies on the HF bands are:
all on USB/Digital, 4 kHz bandwidth channels.? You'll notice that for all the non-WARC bands 40m, 20m, 15m, and 10M, the FT8 channel is always 74 kHz from the bottom of the band. I purposefully left 60m out, as it is technically illegal to use FT8 on 60m, unless you lock your transmit frequency to 1500 Hz above your dial frequency, centering it in the 2.8 kHz passband, which is required for CW or any digital modes on 60m.? That means that everyone would be piling on the same offset, which makes it difficult to make any contacts on 60m if the frequency is congested.? Of course, there are a great many miscreants that are using the whole 2.8 kHz channel there for FT8, but I would advise against it, as various government services share those channels, and we really don't want to look like we don't know what the rules are there. 2) We've had some solar flare activity over the past few days, which can create a total blackout on the lower bands for several hours on the daylight side of the planet. I keep this page open on a tab on my browser and check it often: Currently, over the past day and a half, I see four M-class flares and a handful of C-class flares.? If these occur during the day, they will cause excessive attenuation on the low HF bands for an hour or so.? An X-class flare can cause a complete blackout for several hours. 3) Also, be sure that you have not moved your USB cable to your IC-7300 to a different port on your PC or USB hub, as that will cause Windows to assign a different COM port(s) and assume that the audio codec from the IC-7300 is now your default PC microphone and speakers. Do a Windows-R and then type mmsys.cpl in the Open: prompt and click OK.? This will launch the legacy Windows sound control panel, and then you can ensure that your IC-7300 audio codec is NOT marked with any green checkmarks.? Green checkmarks should only be on your PC Mic and Speakers, to make them the default Windows sound source and sink. Check the Playback and Recording tabs on the Windows sound control panel to get everything set up.? On the Communications tab, check 'Do nothing' to prevent Windows from tinkering with your volume controls if it 'detects communications activity'. It's helpful to go into the properties for your IC-7300 audio codec on the Windows sound control panel, and rename the input/output to an easily recognized name that will be easy to distinguish when selecting the audio codec in various digital programs, like WSJT-X and VARA HF.? Remember that those names will only show up if your IC-7300 is connected to your PC and the radio must be turned on.? WSJT-X in particular, has a bad habit of returning your audio selection to the Windows default in its preference panel, if it doesn't find your IC-7300 audio codec when you open the WSJT-X preferences panel with the radio off or disconnected. Also, make sure that for your IC-7300 audio codec device properties in the Windows sound control panel that all compression and other sound enhancements are turned off, as they will interfere with your digital encoding/decoding.? Likewise, use the USB/digital mode on your radio, instead of just plain USB.? That should turn off any compression or Tx/Rx equalization that you may have set up for SSB audio modes on your radio. Hope that helps. 73,
-- Dave, N8SBE, Hamshack Hotline 590-0971, HamsOverIP 101018, AmateurWire 1348 On 2024-12-06 09:20, Patricia Dominguez via groups.io wrote:
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Thanks to everyone for some great information and links.? Gave me lots to research and learn since the IC-7300 and Vara are new to me. I figured out how to lower the ALC on the radio, because the slider on the Vara HF Soundcard Set Up wasn't working for me.? I still couldn't connect, so the last thing I did was switch from USB to USB Digital under VaraHF Winlink Session settings, and that seemed to do the trick.? I was able to send a message after making that change.? The transmission was at much faster rate too.? Thanks for all the help!? 73, Patricia |
HF propagation and antennas:
https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/us/knowledge-center/videos/understanding-hf-propagation-video-detailpage_251220-909312.html https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/us/knowledge-center/videos/understanding-near-vertical-incidence-skywave-nvis-video-detailpage_251220-908736.html https://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/tis/info/pdf/8312011.pdf https://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/pdf/119962.pdf https://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/tis/info/pdf/9106023.pdf ?
General radio theory and practice: https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/COMT%20Pre-Course%20Study%20Guide_v5_0.pdf |
Thanks for the links Pete.? Much appreciated. 73,
Patricia, WA4WSZ
On Friday, December 6th, 2024 at 8:10 PM, Pete Newell via groups.io <prn628@...> wrote:
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开云体育Ken, ? “Once you learn how to use it, and how to interpret the info, it can be very useful!” ? I checked the link and it is overwhelming. Do you know of a good beginner resource that one could use in conjunction with it to understand the information it is providing and some context into how that information can be pressed into useful service? ? 73 and thanks in advance! Chris, KD6OUB ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kenneth G. Gordon via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 7:48 AM To: Rick Muething via groups.io <rickmuething@...>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [VARA-MODEM] VARA HF Disconnects Before Messages Are Sent ? For propagation information, I highly recommend ? Once you learn how to use it, and how to interpret the info, it can be very useful! ? I use it regularly for point-to-point comms. ? Ken W7EKB ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S21 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: "Rick Muething via groups.io" <rickmuething@...> Date: 12/6/24 07:10 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [VARA-MODEM] VARA HF Disconnects Before Messages Are Sent ? Patricia, Its all antennas, distortion,? and propagation.? Vara (and all protocols for that matter) have mechanisms for measuring the S:N and frame success rate (How many SUCCESSFUL bytes transmitted per minute.? If that number falls below a certain threshold the protocol?killls?the link rather than taking many minutes of airtime up with low probability?of passing a complete message.? What can help?? Several things: 1) Pick a frequency band and distance which have better propagation.? e.g.? Some bands are better at night or day.? Generally longer distances are weak....but not always.? 2) Short messages of course transfer faster ....avoid big attachments. 3) Check and optimise your antenna. Height, SWR etc. 4) Make sure your radio drive is set to optimum.? Too much audio drive can result in distortion (due to ALC)? ?For the 7300 you want the ALC no more than about 1/4 scale.? Almost all protocols work best with minimal distortion and near optimum power settings.? 5) Select stations and bands based on propagation (history and propagation maps)? ?Also make sure the stations are running (e.g 24/7 etc)? ? Good Luck
? On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 9:27?AM Patricia Dominguez via <WA4WSZ=[email protected]> wrote:
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Hi Chris,
Indeed, the ham radio hobby can be quite overwhelming.? I work for a living in a non electronics business, and so it has taken years in some cases for me to actually getting around to understand something.? Trying to do something is the best, if not most frustrating, way of developing understanding.? This takes time.
YouTube can be your friend.? I'd recommend Wavetalkers channel.
Also, do a search through the groups.io channels.? There are many cases where folks have done very good explanations of various radios, interfaces, settings, etc.
For immediate gratification, I'd recommend a local Elmer or three who can assist.
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Roy Dugger, KD6R |