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Re: Winlink Vara HF FT991A impossible to contact gateway - help?

 

I wonder if you have a setup guide for an Icom IC-718 with signalink.

73

John Smiley-KZ4ZK



On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 01:25:22 PM EST, WA8LMF via groups.io <wa8lmf3@...> wrote:


On 2/1/2025 1:21 PM, Steven, KC3DSO via groups.io wrote:
I ditto the USB mode. All of my Yaesu rigs (991A, 891, 1200, DX10, etc.) all use just USB. No digital.
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I can send a setup guide if you need one.
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Steven
KC3DSO


Re: Winlink Vara HF FT991A impossible to contact gateway - help?

 

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On 2/1/2025 1:21 PM, Steven, KC3DSO via groups.io wrote:
I ditto the USB mode. All of my Yaesu rigs (991A, 891, 1200, DX10, etc.) all use just USB. No digital.
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I can send a setup guide if you need one.
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Steven
KC3DSO
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?Do they all enable the rear-panel data port in USB mode???? (I know the 891 does, but I am not familiar with the others.)



Re: Winlink Vara HF FT991A impossible to contact gateway - help?

 

I ditto the USB mode. All of my Yaesu rigs (991A, 891, 1200, DX10, etc.) all use just USB. No digital.
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I can send a setup guide if you need one.
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Steven
KC3DSO
kc3dso@...


Re: Winlink Vara HF FT991A impossible to contact gateway - help?

 

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On 2/1/2025 12:29 PM, Jan De Smet via groups.io wrote:
Hi Lee,
thanks for your reply. Yes indeed, with the FT DX10 I am using Data-U mode in Winlink-Vara HF. The CAT switches the frequency, to 1.5 kHz below the center frequency. Apparently no issue with other/extra frequency offset in Data-U mode.
On the DX10, when I dial in a frequency in USB mode eg 14300 Mhz, and then switch to Data-U mode, the displayed frequency moves to 14300,7 Mhz.
But on the FT991A, the same happens, regardless of the Other Shift setting (1500 Hz or the default 0 Hz).
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I will try Winlink-Vara HF with the FT991A in USB mode and see how that works connecting to a gateway.
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Note that on some (but not all) Yaesus, you can't access the rear-panel data port in normal USB/LSB modes.? On my FT-857 and FT-891, the 6-pin mini-DIN "data" port is always live.??? On my FT-818, you can receive but not TRANSMIT data in the LSB , USB or FM modes.?? You have to place the radio in "DATA" for any data mode on USB/LSB (i.e. HF) and in "PACKET"? mode for any data mode (not just packet) on FM.

[You DO NOT want to insert complex data modes like VARA into the front-panel MIC jack, where it can? be degraded by uneven frequency response, speech compressors and processors, deviation limiters, etc.? You always want to use the rear-panel "DATA" port if possible.]

Also some (but not all) Yaesus shift the indicated frequency on the display in the DATA mode to reflect the actual center frequency of the transmitted signal, rather than the suppressed carrier frequency as has been universal with hams on USB/LSB voice. ? The "carrier" frequency has NOT changed, just the way it is displayed.?? The amount of this indicated frequency shift is changeable in one of the many menu options in radios have have it. ??

[Note that the? FCC/ITU/military/commercial? convention is to specify the CENTER of an SSB voice channel rather than the suppressed carrier frequency as hams do. I have always thought this was ridiculously ambiguous since the "center" of an SSB channel will depend on the filter passband response of a given radio.]

Confusion reigns because most hams quote the indicated "dial frequency" (suppressed carrier frequency) on USB/LSB when referring to data modes. They fail to realize that the actual RF energy being transmitted is actually hundreds to thousands of Hz higher than the suppressed carrier "dial" frequency, depending on the audio tone frequencies involved.??? VARA is centered on 1500 Hz audio tones. RTTY is customarily centered around 2100 Hz. CW around 700 Hz. Etc.
??? Then various CAT schemes attempt to be more "user-friendly" by calculating and displaying the actual RF transmit frequency, rather than the zero-beat USB carrier frequency.? This will vary by mode.?

Yaesu has been very inconsistent in these distinctions over many models.


Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:??????? WA8LMF
EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:?????????

New? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency
As of 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here:
????

- APRS over VARA? --
??

"Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels
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Re: Winlink Vara HF FT991A impossible to contact gateway - help?

 

Hi Lee,
thanks for your reply. Yes indeed, with the FT DX10 I am using Data-U mode in Winlink-Vara HF. The CAT switches the frequency, to 1.5 kHz below the center frequency. Apparently no issue with other/extra frequency offset in Data-U mode.
On the DX10, when I dial in a frequency in USB mode eg 14300 Mhz, and then switch to Data-U mode, the displayed frequency moves to 14300,7 Mhz.
But on the FT991A, the same happens, regardless of the Other Shift setting (1500 Hz or the default 0 Hz).
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I will try Winlink-Vara HF with the FT991A in USB mode and see how that works connecting to a gateway.
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Will report back.
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Jan
73 DE ON3ZTT


Re: 2 Winlink Applications

 

Had my first Vara FM successful transmission this morning. Did it via FM P2P as there is no local igate and other Vara FM ham’s QTH is too far and too hilly via simplex ( he came closer to me). We are thinking of putting together an igate , so I will probably be asking more questions.
Thanks to all for the guidance!
Mike ?VA1KMA


Re: Winlink Vara HF FT991A impossible to contact gateway - help?

 


On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 4:33?AM Jan De Smet via <jan.de.smet8=[email protected]> wrote:
I have a Win11 laptop, Winlink Vara HF working fine with a Yaesu FT DX10 via the inboard soundcard.
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I recently bought a new FT991A for use in my sailing boat. I could configure it also for Vara HF (same Vara HF radio settings as for the DX10 except choosing "FT991A" instead of FT DX10. Using correct enhanced com port.
I can make it send on Vara HF,? USB Data, use the tune function to set it to 1/3 ALC, 40W power, CAT works, but when trying to connect to a gateway that usually always works for me via the FT DX10, I can never connect to the gateway. I can see & hear the rig sending its Vara call to the gateway, 15 times in a row before ending, never a return.
Tried many times, different moments of the day.
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For the CAT to work, I have to set the FT991A Function 33 to DISABLE. F071 Data PTT Select to DAKY (as it also is for the FT DX10).
F065 Other Shift (SSB) is set to 1500 Hz (default is 0 for the FT991A but it is 1500 Hz on the FT DX10). (this sets the carrier point in Data mode).
F064 is left a 0 Hz (no similar function on the FT DX10)
F062 Data Mode set to OTHER
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If I set F065 Other Shift (SSB) to 0 Hz then I get a narrow RX signal (like max 800-1000 Hz) on the Vara HF waterfall, pushed to the left, and a very "narrow" RX sound.
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I've tried tweaking most of the relevant functions, to no avail.
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I am under the impression that with the aforementioned settings, I have some kind of frequency offset in USB Data mode.?
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Any ideas or clues?

I'm normally a BPQ user, but I have tried out Winlink Express with my FTDX10. In both applications the DX10 works fine in USB mode, in fact,I have not used "DATA-U" yet in that radio. It sounds like you are operating the DX10 in "DATA-U" mode and are trying to mirror that in the FT991A. If that's the case, I would try usb mode in the 991A with the dial set to 1500 Hz lower than the VARA center frequency.

73,
Lee K5DAT

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Winlink Vara HF FT991A impossible to contact gateway - help?

 

I have a Win11 laptop, Winlink Vara HF working fine with a Yaesu FT DX10 via the inboard soundcard.
?
I recently bought a new FT991A for use in my sailing boat. I could configure it also for Vara HF (same Vara HF radio settings as for the DX10 except choosing "FT991A" instead of FT DX10. Using correct enhanced com port.
I can make it send on Vara HF,? USB Data, use the tune function to set it to 1/3 ALC, 40W power, CAT works, but when trying to connect to a gateway that usually always works for me via the FT DX10, I can never connect to the gateway. I can see & hear the rig sending its Vara call to the gateway, 15 times in a row before ending, never a return.
Tried many times, different moments of the day.
?
For the CAT to work, I have to set the FT991A Function 33 to DISABLE. F071 Data PTT Select to DAKY (as it also is for the FT DX10).
F065 Other Shift (SSB) is set to 1500 Hz (default is 0 for the FT991A but it is 1500 Hz on the FT DX10). (this sets the carrier point in Data mode).
F064 is left a 0 Hz (no similar function on the FT DX10)
F062 Data Mode set to OTHER
?
If I set F065 Other Shift (SSB) to 0 Hz then I get a narrow RX signal (like max 800-1000 Hz) on the Vara HF waterfall, pushed to the left, and a very "narrow" RX sound.
?
I've tried tweaking most of the relevant functions, to no avail.
?
I am under the impression that with the aforementioned settings, I have some kind of frequency offset in USB Data mode.?
?
Any ideas or clues?
?
Thanks,
Jan
ON3ZTT


Re: Why would a notch filter cause BUSY?

 

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On 1/29/2025 3:19 PM, Mark Holt / W7EAZ via groups.io wrote:
A user recently posted his "BUSY" light being illuminated all the time preventing his transmission.
He showed his waterfall and I asked why he had a notch filter in the middle of his pass band.
When he eliminated the notch filter he was able to transmit because the "BUSY" indication would go out.
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So, my question is: Why would a notch filter inside the pass band cause a "BUSY" indication?
I experimented and found that if I turn on my notch filter outside the 800Hz bandwidth and slowly tuned it toward the VARA 800Hz pass band it would trigger the "BUSY" indicator.
See the attached screenshot of my VARA waterfall.
I slowly tuned the notch from the high-side of the pass band until the "BUSY" lit up.
Mostly curious for my own benefit on signal processing that is going on.
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If this is not the correct forum, please indicate where this question needs to be asked.
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Mark /

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The "BUSY" indicator is similar to the noise-activated squelch on an FM rig.?? It doesn't actually detect specific tones in the passband as an indication of "signal present".? Rather, it looks at the total noise power in the passband.? When the noise power drops due to a signal being present, the channel is considered "BUSY".?? Tuning a notch filter into the passband also decreases the amount of noise in the passband and "fools" the program into thinking the channel is "BUSY".



Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:??????? WA8LMF
EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:?????????

New? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency
As of 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here:
????

- APRS over VARA? --
??

"Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels
??

-
?




Why would a notch filter cause BUSY?

 

A user recently posted his "BUSY" light being illuminated all the time preventing his transmission.
He showed his waterfall and I asked why he had a notch filter in the middle of his pass band.
When he eliminated the notch filter he was able to transmit because the "BUSY" indication would go out.
?
So, my question is: Why would a notch filter inside the pass band cause a "BUSY" indication?
I experimented and found that if I turn on my notch filter outside the 800Hz bandwidth and slowly tuned it toward the VARA 800Hz pass band it would trigger the "BUSY" indicator.
See the attached screenshot of my VARA waterfall.
I slowly tuned the notch from the high-side of the pass band until the "BUSY" lit up.
Mostly curious for my own benefit on signal processing that is going on.
?
If this is not the correct forum, please indicate where this question needs to be asked.
?
Mark /
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Re: 30 Meters APRS-over-VARA NVIS

 

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I’m assuming that the Colo based KD0LEG-10 is still functioning as a digipeater. He was doing so in the past.

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Just confirmed the above.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of WA8LMF via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2025 11:45 AM
To: Stephen Smith <wa8lmf@...>
Subject: [VARA-MODEM] 30 Meters APRS-over-VARA NVIS

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I have been monitoring/igating 40-meters APRS-over-VARA for about two weeks now. ??

[The WA8LMF 40-meters APRS-over-VARA igate/mapping webserver is now monitoring 7.083.5 USB full-time 24/7/365 .]

Most of the 40M activity has been long-haul at night from the west coast.? In the daytime, when the useful range on 40 is typically 500 miles (800 km) or so, I have seen few if any stations in the mid-west (my QTH is in central Michigan).? This is now slowly changing....

Today I am copying a short-haul NVIS station on 40 for the first time.??? N5AMD-1 near Battle Creek, MI is only about 50 miles (80 km) from me

This screencap is from my 40M APRS-over-VARA igate, taken just now at 12:36 EST (1736 UTC).? (You are seeing UIview32 running in a virtual machine on a Win7 host running on an Acer E3-111 "netbook" 11.8" mini-laptop.)??

You can see this map display anytime at:

??? ?? Choose the 40 meters APRS-over-VARA link.


Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:??????? WA8LMF
EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:?????????

New? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency
As of 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here:
????

- APRS over VARA? --
??

"Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels
??

-
?

?


30 Meters APRS-over-VARA NVIS

 

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I have been monitoring/igating 40-meters APRS-over-VARA for about two weeks now. ??

[The WA8LMF 40-meters APRS-over-VARA igate/mapping webserver is now monitoring 7.083.5 USB full-time 24/7/365 .]

Most of the 40M activity has been long-haul at night from the west coast.? In the daytime, when the useful range on 40 is typically 500 miles (800 km) or so, I have seen few if any stations in the mid-west (my QTH is in central Michigan).? This is now slowly changing....

Today I am copying a short-haul NVIS station on 40 for the first time.??? N5AMD-1 near Battle Creek, MI is only about 50 miles (80 km) from me

This screencap is from my 40M APRS-over-VARA igate, taken just now at 12:36 EST (1736 UTC).? (You are seeing UIview32 running in a virtual machine on a Win7 host running on an Acer E3-111 "netbook" 11.8" mini-laptop.)??

You can see this map display anytime at:

??? ?? Choose the 40 meters APRS-over-VARA link.


Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:??????? WA8LMF
EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:?????????

New? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency
As of 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here:
????

- APRS over VARA? --
??

"Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels
??

-
?



Re: VARA-HF Decoder SWL?

Josef Garcia
 

Thanks Stephen!

73, Josef
De
DE3JGA

Am Mi., 29. Jan. 2025 um 15:24?Uhr schrieb WA8LMF via <wa8lmf3=[email protected]>:

On 1/29/2025 8:10 AM, Josef Garcia via wrote:
Hello everyone,
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does anyone here use the VARA-HF Decoder () as SWL? What settings do you have to make just for the receiver?
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Thanks and 73
Josef
DE3JGA


Re: VARA-HF Decoder SWL?

 

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On 1/29/2025 8:10 AM, Josef Garcia via groups.io wrote:
Hello everyone,
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does anyone here use the VARA-HF Decoder () as SWL? What settings do you have to make just for the receiver?
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Thanks and 73
Josef
DE3JGA
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This would not be practical, since nearly all uses of VARA use a two-way hand-shaking ARQ type of operation.????

The only receive-only modes that an SWL could use are APRS, or the monitor mode of VarAC Chat. These are applications that run on top of the VARA modem.? These modes use? one-way beacon-type transmissions that don't expect a reply.



Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:??????? WA8LMF
EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:?????????

New? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency
As of 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here:
????

- APRS over VARA? --
??

"Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels
??

-
?

?


VARA-HF Decoder SWL?

Josef Garcia
 

Hello everyone,
?
does anyone here use the VARA-HF Decoder (https://rosmodem.wordpress.com/) as SWL? What settings do you have to make just for the receiver?
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Thanks and 73
Josef
DE3JGA


Re: I am at a loss

 

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You are an absolute life saver. I was pulling my hair out. But dropping the mic gain down to 2 and like you said, tx drive way way low .. did the trick. Thank you a million times over!

?Matt
73 / de N2NFG

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On Jan 27, 2025, at 21:50, John Denison via groups.io <kd5you@...> wrote:

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I have mine set at default which I think is 5. I don't think I ever thought to change the mic gain, but it might help to reduce it on your station.
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73
John Denison
KD5YOU


Re: I am at a loss

 

I have mine set at default which I think is 5. I don't think I ever thought to change the mic gain, but it might help to reduce it on your station.
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73
John Denison
KD5YOU


Re: I am at a loss

 

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Out of curiosity what do you keep your mic gain at with the 2980?

On Jan 27, 2025, at 20:40, Matt N2NFG via groups.io <matthewlangone@...> wrote:

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This could be it. Thanks so much John. I’m going to make some adjustments when I get home from work and see what happens?

On Jan 27, 2025, at 19:55, John Denison via groups.io <kd5you@...> wrote:

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Since you are using a Yaesu FT-2980, you might be driving it with too much audio into the microphone jack. When I had my FT-2980 in my go kit, I had a Signalink USB, but I had to keep the TX volume very low to keep from overdriving the transmitted signal. My VARA gateways use Digirigs but they are going into the 6 pin data plugs on their respective radios. Also the FT-2980 will do most of the VARA Wide speeds. I've achieved 19k bps when I had mine set up for Winlink/VARA connections. I always get confused with which set of Ping values are for which station.
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73
John Denison
KD5YOU


Re: I am at a loss

 

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This could be it. Thanks so much John. I’m going to make some adjustments when I get home from work and see what happens?

On Jan 27, 2025, at 19:55, John Denison via groups.io <kd5you@...> wrote:

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Since you are using a Yaesu FT-2980, you might be driving it with too much audio into the microphone jack. When I had my FT-2980 in my go kit, I had a Signalink USB, but I had to keep the TX volume very low to keep from overdriving the transmitted signal. My VARA gateways use Digirigs but they are going into the 6 pin data plugs on their respective radios. Also the FT-2980 will do most of the VARA Wide speeds. I've achieved 19k bps when I had mine set up for Winlink/VARA connections. I always get confused with which set of Ping values are for which station.
?
73
John Denison
KD5YOU


Re: I am at a loss

 

Since you are using a Yaesu FT-2980, you might be driving it with too much audio into the microphone jack. When I had my FT-2980 in my go kit, I had a Signalink USB, but I had to keep the TX volume very low to keep from overdriving the transmitted signal. My VARA gateways use Digirigs but they are going into the 6 pin data plugs on their respective radios. Also the FT-2980 will do most of the VARA Wide speeds. I've achieved 19k bps when I had mine set up for Winlink/VARA connections. I always get confused with which set of Ping values are for which station.
?
73
John Denison
KD5YOU