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Re: Please explain APRS related
开云体育On 12/28/2024 9:56 PM, Todd AL7PX via
groups.io wrote:
Where else would the GPS show up? ?? If you are not operating
mobile (i.e. not changing position), you don't really need a GPS
connected anyway - just hand-enter your latitude and longitude
into PinPoint or other APRS client.?
NO!? The Soundmodem is a conventional packet TNC in software -
completely irrelevant to operations with VARA.? [NOTE that you
might want to use the Soundmodem instead of VARA on 2M VHF to take
part in conventional packet APRS on 144.39 since the IC-9100 is a
"DC-to-light" HF/VHF/UHF radio.] VARA is your software modem.? It uses a sound card (either internal to the computer, or an external one connected by USB) to generate data tones on TX and to decode data tones on RX.? You need to connect the soundcard output and input on the computer,? to the radio's rear panel "DATA" port.? The IC-9100 appears to have two such ports - the industry-standard 6-pin mini-DIN port -and-? a full-size 13-pin DIN port that is proprietary to Icom. ??? You will need to make up (or acquire) an appropriate cable to connect the interface to one of these radio ports.? You will also need a USB cable to connect a USB port on the
computer to the USB port on the Icom,? for PTT keying.??
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Re: Please explain APRS related
Hello Steve:
Ok, your explanation was very good and have Pinpoint configured I think. VaraHF modem SW is of course working ok. My GPS shows up on Pinpoint too.
Now I need to get pinpoint to interface with the Icom 9100. What piece of software is used? "UZ7HO Soundmodem"? ?
Thanks,
AL7PX
Todd
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Re: Please explain APRS related
开云体育On 12/28/2024 4:45 PM, WA4WSZ -
Patricia via groups.io wrote:
If you have seen my website, you probably now know I was in Viet
Nam between Apr 1968 to June 1970.?? My first year there, I was a "professional amateur", running a
MARS station in Bien Hoa, about 40 miles NE of Saigon.? Like all
MARS stations at the time, we ran civilian Collins "S-Line" ham
gear to place phone patches from US bases in Viet Nam to stations
in the US.? (There was no civilian phone service in Viet Nam
outside downtown Saigon at the time - all calls home from troops
there went by HF radio.)? We were lucky - the peak of the US
buildup in VN coincided with the 1968-1969 solar max - 10 meters
was open VN<-->stateside about 12-14 hours a day, and 20
meters was open nearly around the clock. My final six months were with AFVN - American Forces Vietnam Network radio-TV.? I literally lived the real-life "Good Morning Vietnam" in the engineering dept.? The look and feel of the movie is incredibly close to the real thing.? The only detail Hollywood screwed up on in the movie was the jeeps. They used Korean-war-vintage Kaiser jeeps in the movie,? instead of the Ford-built M-151s we actually had in VN.? AFVN was not some toy 10 watt campus FM station - it was like
major market AM-FM-TV broadcasting in the states. At the peak of
the war, the network had 7 TV stations and 10 radio stations up
and down what was then South Viet Nam.?? AFVN AM 540 in Saigon was
a 50,000 watt monster - it was the loudest AM signal anywhere in
East Asia at the time.? Helped by a full-size 1/4-wave antenna
stick (460 feet at 540 KHz) who's ground system radials were 6"
under salt water at high tide.? You could hear the thing 140 miles
away in the day time on a cheap pocket radio. At night, it was
heard EVERYWHERE in Asia.? We routinely got reception reports from
India, Australia Taiwan, Indonesia, New Zealand, Singapore, etc.?
On my R&R I would hear it at night on a portable radio in
Tokyo. AFVN's AM signal was so outstanding that the Air Force used it's
signal for navigating B-52s and AC-130 gun ships all over
South-East Asia,? in preference to the usual aviation
non-directional beacons. Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com Skype:??????? WA8LMF EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band] Home Page:????????? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency Change Coming 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here: ???? - APRS over VARA? -- ?? "Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels ?? - ?
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Re: Please explain APRS related
Thanks for the thorough explanation Stephen.? I am new to Vara and the digital modes, but very interested.? This helps. My husband was communications in Nam 1966-1969.? Sadly he didn't survive his agent orange exposure. He was very private about his time there but I have his photos.? The photos on your website are very interesting. 73, Patricia, WA4WSZ
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On Saturday, December 28th, 2024 at 2:24 PM, WA8LMF via groups.io <wa8lmf3@...> wrote:
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Re: Please explain APRS related
开云体育[I am posting this on the list, instead
of an individual reply, because I think it may be of general
interest to other users.]
On 12/28/2024 1:35 PM, Todd AL7PX via
groups.io wrote:
APRS (the Automatic Packet Reporting System) was originally
conceived of by the late WB4APR (Bob Bruninga - an EE professor at
the US Naval Academy ), as an all-purpose system for distributing?
information of interest to hams over the air.?? Unlike most digi
comms, APRS has no two-way hand-shaking logical? "connection"
between stations. It uses the "unconnected information"? a.k.a.
"UI-Frame" beacon mode of packet radio to send one-to-many
broadcast-style messages.?? [APRS was patterned on the
battle-field "situational awareness" messaging systems being
developed by the Army and Navy at the time.] In addition to the well-known position reports from vehicles,
APRS is used to send reports from unattended weather stations,
announcements of events like ham fests and swaps, coordinate
search-and rescue efforts, etc.? APRS can also exchange short
one-liner cellphone-style-SMS text messages between specific
callsigns, and even to/from internet email addresses.? For over 40 years, APRS has been conducted with 1200-baud VHF
packet and 300-baud HF packet on HF.?? The earliest use of APRS
was to report positions of boats in U.S. Naval Academy yacht races
on Chesapeake Bay in the 1970's. Originally an exclusively RF-based activity, connections between
RF and the Internet were added to APRS in the mid 1980s.? APRS
"igates" (Internet GATEways) can connect RF activities in areas
far too distant from each other to communicate directly on RF
alone.? (This is similar to the Internet "worm holes" created by
EchoLink, DMR, Yaesu C4FM, D-Star etc.)? It can also connect
people with radios to people with just an Internet connection,
such as a smart phone). VHF packet-based APRS is done all over North America on the same
VHF channel -- 144.390 MHz. As a mobile, you drive into and out-of
the range of hundreds of base station "digipeaters" and "igates"
as you travel, each of which will automatically retransmit your
beacons and messages over the local area on RF -- and pass your
beacons to the "APRS-IS (APRS Internet System). The APRS-IS is a
inter-connected? system of dozens of Internet? servers and mapping
websites world-wide.? Traditionally, APRS was done with hardware radio modems a.k.a.
"TNCs" - "Terminal Node Controller".? These would be connected via
an RS-232 serial port to a computer running APRS "client" software
for messaging and mapping position reports.? Note that APRS DOES NOT use software like WinLink, VarAC or
FLdigi -- APRS is a completely different activity that just
happens to be able to exploit the KISS-over-IP connection present
in the VARA modem software. 300-baud HF packet-based APRS has been used for over 4 decades at the very top end of the 30-meter band for long-range APRS in locations without 2-meter APRS coverage. The actual RF frequencies of the two-tone 200-Hz-shift FSK transmissions are 10.149.200 MHz & 10.149.400 MHz. Typically this is done by tuning the radio to 10.147.600 MHz USB "dial frequency" which will yield the 1600 / 1800 Hz audio tones most classic hardware packet devices respond to. Classic AFSK-based 1200-baud packet radio works well on VHF-FM,
but classic packet is a HORRIBLE mode for HF.? It
is absolutely intolerant to the QRM, noise, selective fading and
multipath distortion common on HF. There is no
forward-error-correction like most modern digimodes, often
requiring transmissions to be repeated over and over again to get
through. In the last few years, far superior data-transmission modes for
HF use have appeared.? The VARA soundcard soft modem is orders of
magnitude better at "getting through" than classic packet on HF.?
With data wrapped? in? two layers of forward error correction, it
can provide error-free copy on signals so weak they can literally
cannot be heard in the radio speaker!? On the other hand, with a
strong noise-free signal, it can automatically increase speed to
exceed the throughput of a 1200-baud VHF packet modem in a 500 Hz
CW bandwidth on HF. For about two years now, I have been advocating using VARA for
APRS activity as a VASTLY superior replacement for classic
packet on HF. ? I have tested it for this purpose over 10s of
thousands of miles of mobile operating on 30 meters.? I have
even done three-way shoot-outs comparing 300-baud-packet vs VARA
va FLdigi in MFSK16 mode on road trips.? APRS-over-VARA is now
beginning to take off --? about a dozen stations around North
America are now active on the mode regularly. I am routinely
hearing and being heard by G4HYG in Scotland on the
APRS-over-VARA mode.? Several stations are now running
APRS-over-VARA igates 24/7. ? Because of VARA's incredible weak-signal capability, it is
practical for a mobile or RVer to be tracked and to communicate
almost anywhere with low power and modest antennas; i.e. Yaesu
FT-818 "porta-luggie" and a 30M HamStick-type whip or random wire.
During my 6300-mile round-trip from central Michigan to Los
Angeles and back this October, mu mobile was being heard and gated
to the Internet almost constantly using a FT-891 transceiver with
Quicksilver Radio "QuickStik" mobile whip connected to my mobile
Panasonic Toughbook mobile laptop.? I had numerous two-way
messaging contacts over the same setup as well.
Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com Skype:??????? WA8LMF EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band] Home Page:????????? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency Change Coming 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here: ???? - APRS over VARA? -- ?? "Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels ?? - ?
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Please explain APRS related
I am interested in using and joining this mode of operation but fail to fully understand the basics of operation.
I have used and currently have installed Winlink RMS client software and have completely operational. I access my local RMS VARA high speed Vara FM and also use VarAC HF mode. I also have have FLdigi latest version installed and using for sitorB monitoring and other modes. Can someone please explain to me what use does APRS and fundamental operation use do (other than location) and explain thoroughly give example of all software combined actually do? How are messages sent? What SW are you using? FLdigi? I like to utilize 30 meters but fail to find others who use this band for much of any mode other than FT8, which I have no interest in whatsoever.??
Todd
AL7PX |
Switch to New 30M APRS-over-VARA Channel.
开云体育I have been promoting the change-over to the new 30-meters APRS-over-VARA channel for several weeks now.?? I had previously proposed the switch-over for New Years Eve UTC.??? However, I am already seeing numerous stations
on the new 10.148.200 MHz USB
channel.? And virtually no one on the old 10.147.600 MHz
channel. Should I consider this migration a "done deal" and move the WA8LMF APRS-over-VARA main igate and UI-mapping-webserver infrastructure over to the new channel early? View of the new 30M APRS-over-VARAchannel as I
write this...
Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com Skype:??????? WA8LMF EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band] Home Page:????????? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency Change Coming 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here: ???? - APRS over VARA? -- ?? "Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels ?? - ?
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Re: Yaesu FTM-7250 Setup
开云体育On 12/26/2024 11:47 AM, DOUGLAS FRIEDT
wrote:
This radio has no provisions for computer remote control a.k.a. "CAT".?? Thus selecting a specific radio model in VARA (or any other soundcard program) is irrelevant. You will have to use the generic radio-agnostic RTS or DTR pins of a serial port on the computer for PTT. ? Or use an interface device like a SignaLink that has an internal VOX-like PTT keying system. ? The FTM-7250 is a poor choice for data modes, especially VARA,?
since it lacks the rear-panel mini-DIN "data port", forcing you to
use the MIC jack and SPEAKER jack for digi-modes. ? [The min-USB
port on the rear panel labeled "DATA" is only for updating the
radio's firmware, not the alternate audio input/output + PTT
needed for sound card digi modes.]? ? Without the dedicated mini-DIN data port, you will NEVER be able to achieve the higher data rates that VARA can deliver.
Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com Skype:??????? WA8LMF EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band] Home Page:????????? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency Change Coming 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here: ???? - APRS over VARA? -- ?? "Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels ?? - ?
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Re: Yaesu FTM-7250 Setup
开云体育Hi,Sorry, yes signal link. ?Thanks very much and have a good day. ?I have the mic cable from Signal Link. ?? Douig N8FRJ
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Re: Yaesu FTM-7250 Setup
On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 08:47 AM, DOUGLAS FRIEDT wrote:
I have a Soundlink that I would like to configure with it.Doug; ?
Do you mean a "SignaLink"?
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If that's the case, you'd select "VOX" as the PTT option in the "PTT via" frame of the VARA FM "Settings -> PTT..." window.
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Also, since there isn't any "DATA" connector on this radio, you'll have to connect the ptt output and TX audio of your rig-interface device (SignaLink or otherwise) to the radio's mic connector, and get RX audio from the external speaker jack.
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Mark - AD7EF |
Re: VARA APRS DX
Good to see that my station GM4HYG-2 is regularly appearing on the map.
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I run two separate HF APRS stations at a very low RF noise rural location.
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GM4HYG? runs robust packet with a SCS modem with an IC-746 feeding a vertical antenna. This should be good for DX.
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GM4HYG-2 runs APRS over VARA and GM4HYG-1 runs 300 bd AX.25 using a Tentec Corsair II with a syntheszer I developed for an SDR transceiver project.
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This feeds a 30m horizontal dipole at 7m agl. At this height it should work as a NVIS antenna? not for DX.
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Looking at the statistics for both stations through December on APRS.FI I can see that I received no packets from US or Canadian stations on GM4HYG using robust packet
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I received 1 packet from WB8SKP-9 on 300 bd AX.25 and 44 on APRS over VARA from WB8SKP-9. The great circle distance is 3936 miles. This is using a NVIS antenna!
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The VARA HF mode is far better than 300 db AX.25 but members of this forum knew this already!
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Regards,
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Chris GM4HYG |
Re: VARA APRS DX
开云体育On 12/25/2024 4:23 PM, Tony via
groups.io wrote:
? G4HYG is my "co-conspirator" in the migration to the the new
APRS-over-VARA ;channel.?? He pioneered another non-packet mode
for APRS transmission two decades ago.??? The program "APRS
Messenger" sent APRS packets over PSK63 or MFSK16.? [At the time,
before FT-8 exploded onto the ham radio scene, PSK31 was the hot
weak-signal DX mode.]??
The frequency 10.149.700 MHz was the center of the actual APRS Messenger RF channel in the 1990's & early 2000s.? We are now trying to migrate APRS-over-VARA to the same channel center -- this is done by setting the radio dial frequency to 10.148.200 Mhz USB .
Here is what I am seeing this morning on this frequency with my TS-2000 and G5RV-type 105' dipole:? Note the "Wall-to-Wall" DX from the US west coast to Scotland UK at the same time.
Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com Skype:??????? WA8LMF EchoLink:? Node #? 14400? [Think bottom of the 2-meter band] Home Page:????????? 30 Meter?? APRS-over VARA? Frequency Change Coming 1 Jan 2025.?? Details Here: ???? - APRS over VARA? -- ?? "Studio B" Ham Shack on Wheels ?? - ?
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VARA APRS DX
开云体育
? All:
Noticed at least one DX station on 30M VARA APRS today (see attached). There used to be quite a few Europeans on Robust Packet APRS, but those numbers have dwindled to a handful of stations and a few I-gates.?
Like VARA, it was far superior to standard HF packet, but one needed to purchase an expensive SCS modem to get on the air at the time, which is probably the reasons why it didn't take off.? ?
I've tested VARA using an HF path simulator and it appears to be even more robust than RP — there's certainly a night and day difference in HF channel performance when compared to standard HF packet, which is clearly noticeable when comparing the two on-air.??
Should be interesting to see if VARA APRS takes off.?
Tony -K2MO? |
Re: New APRS-over-VARA Channel -- PinPoint Web Site Missing
It was still down an hour or so ago, but it is back up now. On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 8:03?AM WA8LMF via <wa8lmf3=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Even More Joining New APRS-over-VARA Channel
On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 04:51 PM, WA8LMF wrote:
?? Once again, FOR HF, the path settings should be blank.Thank you Stephen! Understood and implemented immediately: 2024-12-24 08:57:46 CET:?>APIN21,qAR,:!4741.75N/00838.43E-PinPoint?v2.1
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73, Markus HB9BRJ |