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Re: Alinco DR-135TMKIII

 

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On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 6:53?AM Carol Flaherty via <flaherty.66=[email protected]> wrote:
Re: " Our new local VARA node is up?and running." Location?

On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 3:51?PM Bob W0EG via <morrisnc7=[email protected]> wrote:
Our new local VARA node is up?and running.? My Alinco DR-135T and Repeater Builder 9600 interface module work great.? WIDE mode and AUTO TUNE works.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:51?AM Bob W0EG via <morrisnc7=[email protected]> wrote:
Lloyd,

I just received my Alinco DR-135T from Antenna Farm.? Programmed it immediately?using RT Systems software and info from my ICOM IC-2200H. This is an obsolete?radio and they are the only source I found who still had stock.? I also got the modem module from Repeater Builder, specifically?made for this radio and 9600baud VARA FM. The module plugs into the DB9 on the radio and has a USB interface to the PC.? I haven't?been?able to try it on the air for VARA FM yet as the local node is still awaiting?a frequency assignment from the coordonator. This eario also has airband AM receive like the 2200H.? The newer 2300H and latest ICOM omit airband.?

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:01?AM Lloyd KO4L via <lmitchell=[email protected]> wrote:
Peter, you are great, such a smaller compact unit. I will get one and try.? it was also recommended by another ham usung them for his winlink and packet stack.
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Lloyd KO4L


Re: Alinco DR-135TMKIII

 

Re: " Our new local VARA node is up?and running." Location?


On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 3:51?PM Bob W0EG via <morrisnc7=[email protected]> wrote:
Our new local VARA node is up?and running.? My Alinco DR-135T and Repeater Builder 9600 interface module work great.? WIDE mode and AUTO TUNE works.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:51?AM Bob W0EG via <morrisnc7=[email protected]> wrote:
Lloyd,

I just received my Alinco DR-135T from Antenna Farm.? Programmed it immediately?using RT Systems software and info from my ICOM IC-2200H. This is an obsolete?radio and they are the only source I found who still had stock.? I also got the modem module from Repeater Builder, specifically?made for this radio and 9600baud VARA FM. The module plugs into the DB9 on the radio and has a USB interface to the PC.? I haven't?been?able to try it on the air for VARA FM yet as the local node is still awaiting?a frequency assignment from the coordonator. This eario also has airband AM receive like the 2200H.? The newer 2300H and latest ICOM omit airband.?

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:01?AM Lloyd KO4L via <lmitchell=[email protected]> wrote:
Peter, you are great, such a smaller compact unit. I will get one and try.? it was also recommended by another ham usung them for his winlink and packet stack.
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Lloyd KO4L


Re: Alinco DR-135TMKIII

 

They are a great combination.


On Sun, Sep 1, 2024, 5:51 PM Bob W0EG via <morrisnc7=[email protected]> wrote:
Our new local VARA node is up?and running.? My Alinco DR-135T and Repeater Builder 9600 interface module work great.? WIDE mode and AUTO TUNE works.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:51?AM Bob W0EG via <morrisnc7=[email protected]> wrote:
Lloyd,

I just received my Alinco DR-135T from Antenna Farm.? Programmed it immediately?using RT Systems software and info from my ICOM IC-2200H. This is an obsolete?radio and they are the only source I found who still had stock.? I also got the modem module from Repeater Builder, specifically?made for this radio and 9600baud VARA FM. The module plugs into the DB9 on the radio and has a USB interface to the PC.? I haven't?been?able to try it on the air for VARA FM yet as the local node is still awaiting?a frequency assignment from the coordonator. This eario also has airband AM receive like the 2200H.? The newer 2300H and latest ICOM omit airband.?

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:01?AM Lloyd KO4L via <lmitchell=[email protected]> wrote:
Peter, you are great, such a smaller compact unit. I will get one and try.? it was also recommended by another ham usung them for his winlink and packet stack.
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Lloyd KO4L


Re: Alinco DR-135TMKIII

 

Our new local VARA node is up?and running.? My Alinco DR-135T and Repeater Builder 9600 interface module work great.? WIDE mode and AUTO TUNE works.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:51?AM Bob W0EG via <morrisnc7=[email protected]> wrote:
Lloyd,

I just received my Alinco DR-135T from Antenna Farm.? Programmed it immediately?using RT Systems software and info from my ICOM IC-2200H. This is an obsolete?radio and they are the only source I found who still had stock.? I also got the modem module from Repeater Builder, specifically?made for this radio and 9600baud VARA FM. The module plugs into the DB9 on the radio and has a USB interface to the PC.? I haven't?been?able to try it on the air for VARA FM yet as the local node is still awaiting?a frequency assignment from the coordonator. This eario also has airband AM receive like the 2200H.? The newer 2300H and latest ICOM omit airband.?

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:01?AM Lloyd KO4L via <lmitchell=[email protected]> wrote:
Peter, you are great, such a smaller compact unit. I will get one and try.? it was also recommended by another ham usung them for his winlink and packet stack.
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Lloyd KO4L


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

After the holiday, you may find a clue to the difference between the computers by examining the "varafm.log" text files that are in the same folder as the installed VARA FM software.?
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Also, compare the "varafm.ini" configuration files for each installation.
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Enjoy the holiday!!
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Mark - AD7EF


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

Mark...thanks for the screens.?
I setup on a different PC....running Windows 10 (same version as my laptop) BUT it worked as advertised with the same radio and the same cables as before!
So whatever is wrong is in my laptop.? I am in the process of deleting any updates to see if they are the problem or not.
Enjoy the Labor Day weekend....so taking a break from this to enjoy.
Thanks again.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 1:04?PM Mark Davis via <markad7ef=[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 05:00 AM, Donald Schneider wrote:
I never see a count just SENDING that never stops.
Donald;
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I have VARA FM v4.3.7 set up on a WIndows 10 computer, running by itself (no Winlink express). Regardless of whether I have a radio connected, when I click the 'connect' button (power-plug icon) on the Auto Tune (Drive Level Calibration) window, I see a "count up" to the right of where "Sending..." is displayed:
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After the count-up (on the left side of the '/') reaches 10, if I don't get a response from the station identified in the "Calibrate with:" field, I get a screen looking this (always the case if I don't have a radio connected / turned on):
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While the count-up sequence is running, the VARA FM main window looks like this:
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Note the "Drive Level Calibration... nn/10" message displayed on the status line, at the bottom of the VARA FM main window. Also note that, while the VARA FM modem is in a 'transmit' condition, no needle is displayed on the 'VU' meter... this meter only displays the received audio level.
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Do your 'Auto Tune' (Drive Level Calibration) and/or main VARA FM windows behave differently than what I've described?
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Mark - AD7EF?
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Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 05:00 AM, Donald Schneider wrote:
I never see a count just SENDING that never stops.
Donald;
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I have VARA FM v4.3.7 set up on a WIndows 10 computer, running by itself (no Winlink express). Regardless of whether I have a radio connected, when I click the 'connect' button (power-plug icon) on the Auto Tune (Drive Level Calibration) window, I see a "count up" to the right of where "Sending..." is displayed:
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After the count-up (on the left side of the '/') reaches 10, if I don't get a response from the station identified in the "Calibrate with:" field, I get a screen looking this (always the case if I don't have a radio connected / turned on):
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While the count-up sequence is running, the VARA FM main window looks like this:
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Note the "Drive Level Calibration... nn/10" message displayed on the status line, at the bottom of the VARA FM main window. Also note that, while the VARA FM modem is in a 'transmit' condition, no needle is displayed on the 'VU' meter... this meter only displays the received audio level.
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Do your 'Auto Tune' (Drive Level Calibration) and/or main VARA FM windows behave differently than what I've described?
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Mark - AD7EF?
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Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 05:04 AM, Donald Schneider wrote:
By strong voice pattern I mean there are lots of bars at the bottom of the radio screen
On pretty much every VHF / UHF FM transceiver with a LCD display (such as on your ID-800H) the bar-graph indicator only shows output power level on transmit... there isn't any indication of the modulation level.
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Having the 'Listen' (or 'Monitor') box checked in the sound control-panel won't tell you whether transmit audio is actually getting to the radio. To check that, you need to monitor your transmitted signal on a separate receiver. A hand-held VHF / UHF radio is an excellent tool for this purpose.
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Mark - AD7EF?


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

Good Morning,
By strong voice pattern I mean there are lots of bars at the bottom of the radio screen like there is when I key the mike and talk.
When I said I hear the tone when I hit the TUNE button I temporarily had the computer speaker turned on instead of the radio.? I also had the listen box checked in the playback part of the sound settings. Just trying to verify that a tone is being sent and what the DRIVER setting changes sound like.
Thanks


On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 11:07?PM Mark Davis via <markad7ef=[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 04:55 PM, Donald Schneider wrote:
TUNE button turns on TX and shows a strong voice pattern
What do you mean by "shows a strong voice pattern"?
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Also, you said: "I can listen and hear the tone using my local speaker when using TUNE...". Which speaker are you hearing a tone from... the radio? the computer? Unless you're monitoring your TX signal on a separate radio, you shouldn't hear any tone when you click the Tune button, or when running an Auto Tune or Ping.
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Mark - AD7EF


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

I never see a count just SENDING that never stops.
Thanks


On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 10:41?PM Mark Davis via <markad7ef=[email protected]> wrote:
When you click the connect button (power- plug icon) on the Auto Tune screen, do you see a count displayed¡­ 1 to 11?
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Mark - AD7EF


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 04:55 PM, Donald Schneider wrote:
TUNE button turns on TX and shows a strong voice pattern
What do you mean by "shows a strong voice pattern"?
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Also, you said: "I can listen and hear the tone using my local speaker when using TUNE...". Which speaker are you hearing a tone from... the radio? the computer? Unless you're monitoring your TX signal on a separate radio, you shouldn't hear any tone when you click the Tune button, or when running an Auto Tune or Ping.
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Mark - AD7EF


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

When you click the connect button (power- plug icon) on the Auto Tune screen, do you see a count displayed¡­ 1 to 11?
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Mark - AD7EF


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

Yes both. But the radio is not Transmiting and no voice activity at the bottom of the screen either.
73 NB5C Donal


On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 8:08?PM Mark Davis via <markad7ef=[email protected]> wrote:
Did you enter a call sign on the Auto Tune or Ping window?
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Mark - AD7EF


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

Did you enter a call sign on the Auto Tune or Ping window?
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Mark - AD7EF


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

OK group.? I have removed and reloaded VARA FM with new settings.? Confirmed since the new one is on the E drive instead of C drive where it always was before.
Using just VARA FM....TUNE button turns on TX and shows a strong voice pattern.? AUTOTUNE and Ping do nothing.? 2 different radios with DigiRig and matched cables / Signalink and matched cables.
All sound settings confirmed and tested.? I can listen and hear the tone using my local speaker when using TUNE but nothing with Ping or AUTOTUNE.
So...next week -I will try my backup PC which is also running Win 10 but I have an archived copy of Win 8.1
Yall enjoy your Labor Day weekend.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 9:45?AM Lloyd KO4L via <lmitchell=[email protected]> wrote:

When I used auto-tune. I was shocked at how little drive was required to get all ?ACCEPTED.? I read somewhere, probably this group, that while monitoring via a second receiver, each level should be distinctive in its level ,especially the upper levels. I kept backing down until i could hear each level, just as the recommendation to turn down the drive. And voila! It's worked!!

73, you'll get it? KO4L Lloyd

Lloyd M. Mitchell (KO4L)
lmitchell@...

On Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 10:04?AM Steve Fiala via <sfiala56=[email protected]> wrote:
Maybe I missed it but what PC are you running this on?


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 11:21 AM, Donald Schneider wrote:
Can I send a NARROW to them also or only a WIDE.
The NARROW or WIDE setting has no effect on whether another RMS gateway or P2P station responds to 'Auto Tune' or 'Ping' requests.
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During email or chat sessions, VARA FM automatically negotiates the connection between the stations, to the lowest common denominator of the NARROW or WIDE capabilities of either station.
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Mark - AD7EF
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Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

Many thanks.? Now most of the stations close have WIDE settings.? Can I send a NARROW to them also or only a WIDE.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 12:39?PM Mark Davis via <markad7ef=[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 05:04 AM, Donald Schneider wrote:
When I use "AutoTune" do all the nodes listed in the Channel Select tab of Winlink Session do that function?
Donald;
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Yes! Any station that is already able to serve as a Winlink RMS gateway (on your channel list), or as a P2P station, will respond to 'Auto Tune' or 'Ping' requests.
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Keep in mind, though, that you need to run the 'Auto Tune' or 'Ping' test with a nearby station, to be sure you and the other station can "hear" each other.
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Mark - AD7EF


Re: VARA FM never triggers Transmit on Icom ID-800H

 

On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 07:45 AM, Lloyd KO4L wrote:
while monitoring via a second receiver, each level should be distinctive in its level ,especially the upper levels
Definitely!!!
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A separate hand-held VHF/UHF radio is an excellent tool for monitoring / diagnosing your VARA FM setup.
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Mark - AD7EF
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Re: DRA-50 with Yaesu FT-857D

 

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Paul,

I'll assume you're considering installing a DRA-45 with a? to give similar compatibility as a DRA-50.

The Yaesu FT-857D has a Mini-DIN-6 female data connector and requires a male to male Mini-DIN-6 cable to connect a DRA-50 (or adapted DRA-45) to this radio.? I offer two cable lengths:



The instructions on making VARA FM or HF work with a DRA are detailed on the website, here is the link:


Unlike VOX derived PTT sound cards - you are free to set the transmit level with any of the following controls:
1 - The onboard pots (usually R14).
2 - Windows Speaker Level - (doesn't need to be 100%).
3 - The "Drive" level in VARA.

The two DRA's mentioned here do not have VOX, and use "C-Media Hardware PTT" - which explained in detail here:


Other than setting the receive audio level (using control R12 on the DRA) the default jumper settings (for digital) should work fine.? Remember to properly select the RX baud correctly depending on the radio's mode.? If you're looking for a recommendation - the DRA-50M is a good choice, but a standard DRA-50 or even the adapted DRA-45 all have about the same performance and capability.

Hope this helps...
Kevin W3KKC

On 8/29/2024 5:01 AM, Paul Tuttle KD7ISA wrote:

August 2024: what setup do I need to get an FT-857D going with a DRA board? What cable? 6 pin Mini DIN to 6 pin mini DIN? Anything special for Vara FM and HF? I have a DRA-45 (modified to -50). I could also use a different model as I have several.


Re: DRA-50 with Yaesu FT-857D

 

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On 8/29/2024 5:01 AM, Paul Tuttle KD7ISA wrote:
August 2024: what setup do I need to get an FT-857D going with a DRA board? What cable? 6 pin Mini DIN to 6 pin mini DIN? Anything special for Vara FM and HF? I have a DRA-45 (modified to -50). I could also use a different model as I have several.??
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The FT-857 performs very well on VARA, both on HF and VHF, but you will require different settings/connections to the 6-pin mini-DIN data port for VHF/FM and HF/SSB operation.

This is the insustry-standard pinout of? the 6-pin mini-DIN data port:

Note that there are TWO receive audio contacts but only ONE transmit audio contact.? You will need two different cables and/or jumper settings,?? and different radio menu settings, ? to use the two modes (VHF/FM or HF). ?

Note that these discussions refer to "1200 baud" and "9600 baud" packet -- however these labels also apply to other modes that also use either low-speed narrow-band data or high-speed wide-band data.??

The FT-857 has two non-voice modes select-able :?? "DIG" and "PKT" .??? It is not immediately obvious, but these two modes really mean? "data modes over HF/SSB ("DIG") and "data modes over VHF/FM" ("PKT") -- even if you are using non-packet modes.?? These non-voice modes automatically cut off the radio's front-panel mic input so that random room noises don't get mixed with your transmitted data.?


RECEIVE???? For VHF/FM, you must connect the receive line of the interface to the "9600" receive audio pin. If you use the "1200" pin, you will not be able to achieve the higher speeds of VARA-FM. ? For HF, you must connect to the "1200"? Receive Audio pin of the port.? (The wide-band "9600" pin is only active on FM.) ? The Masters interfaces have a jumper? ("JU-5") to select one or the other.???

[For convenience, I have connected a single-pole, double-throw toggle switch to the pins of JU-5, so I can switch between HF/1200 or VHF/9600 instantly, without opening the case.? I have done this to all my interfaces including SignaLink USB, Yaesu SCU-17, and my homebrew ones.]


TRANSMIT ? ? The single "Data In" TRANSMIT audio line on the DIN port is used by both modes, but the signal levels required are wildly different.? On HF only a few hundred millivolts of TX audio are required to drive the SSB transmitter to full output. ? On high-speed VHF, several VOLTS of audio, similar to TTL-logic-level signals are required.

You make this change? in transmit sensitivity with the FT-857's menus.?
-?? Menu Item 073 "PKT RATE" changes the transmit sensitivity between millivolts of audio ("1200" baud) and VOLTS of audio ("9600" baud).
-?? Menu Items 071 and 072 allow you to adjust the transmit audio level individually for the narrow-band ("1200 baud") mode and the wide-band ("9600 baud") modes.


Bottom line:? You will have to change radio modes ("DIG" vs "PKT"), shift a jumper in the interface (or cable), and change a radio menu setting to shift between HF and VARA-FM modes. ? (In addition, of course, to starting different versions of the VARA program.) ?


I have tested and verified that this works, and have been able to achieve 25,000 bits/sec on VARA-FM FAST with the FT-857 (and it's little brother the FT-818 "porta-luggie") on 2 meters.



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