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Is VARA used by the SailMail community ?

 

Does the SailMail community use VARA, or are they restricted to PACTOR with the SCS modems ?

Gordon VE3JSJ


Re: VARA on computers with multiple network cards

 

If you¡¯re running a firewall (other than the native Windows Firewall), have you tried to temporarily disable it, see if that might be causing the issue? ?Some 3rd party firewalls try to restrict loopback traffic.

Also, can you give some specific examples of the virtual NICs you¡¯re having to disable? ?Some applications don¡¯t properly remove/disable their virtual NIC when not in use. ?That too could contribute to the problem.

Last question, have you manually disabled IPv6 on some of the NICs? ?Having a mix of disabled/enabled IPv6 stacks can also lead to issuing processing loopback traffic.


Re: VARA VU-meter

 

Take some screen shots and share.

On HF SSB I usually try for a VU meter around 12 O¡¯clock (-20dB) on a 1 kHz filter.
If you use a wide filter (3 kHz) you will obviously get more overall noise.

When receiving a VARA signal, the ¡°noise¡± seems less but of course it isn¡¯t, so the VU meter won¡¯t change a lot.

Yes, the proof is in the S/N value, not the VU meter value.
I think there is a wide range of RECEIVE audio that still works.

I¡¯ve been told ¡°don¡¯t starve the sound card, but don¡¯t saturate it either¡±.
The Goldilocks value is probably around 12 to 2 O¡¯clock on the VU meter.

Try narrow filter if possible for VARA HF 500 Hz mode - see if the copy is better.

But send some screen shots if possible

de k3eui barry


Re: VARA VU-meter

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Edited

It's normal because of ALC


VARA VU-meter

 

Using Vara HF. The level shown on the VU-meter can obviously be changed with the soundcard microphone level. I usually put it a bit to the right of top up. However I find that the value shown (with some flickering) for the audio input is the same both with only noise as well as with a strong received signal. Can anyone explain if this is correct, and if so, how come?

A "strong signal" is (in my opinion) one that darkens the waterfall except where the received signal is shown. With only noise the waterfall is green over the whole passband. As said, in both cases the input level is the same.

And yes, the real proof of a good signal is a high value on the S/N-meter. This can however only be seen during a connection.

73/Torbjorn/SM6AYM


Re: VARA on computers with multiple network cards

 

I may be speaking above my paygrade. Could you set Vara to a unique port and then add an exception to block that port in all other NICs?
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Dave
WB9TEN


Re: VARA on computers with multiple network cards

 

I have a single NIC on my NUC (tehe) and netstat tells me that VARA is listening on 0.0.0.0 - not the 192.168.1.80 shown at the top of the dialog.

You should be able to connect to it at any address present regardless of NIC.

What does "netstat -ta" inform you?


From: "KF0CQA Jonathan" <firepark32@...>
To: "VARA-MODEM" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 9:34:04 PM
Subject: [VARA-MODEM] VARA on computers with multiple network cards

Is there a way to force Vara to use a specific network adapter? Most applications (VarAC, Winlink, etc.) allow me to chose the IP address of the modem, but I can't find any settings or documentation that lets me tell Vara what IP/network it should be on.
The issue is that I have a computer with multiple network cards, due to virtual adapters, vm's, WSL, etc. and quite often I will be unable? to connect to the Vara modem because instead of using 127.0.0.1 it has configured itself to use one of the other network adapters. This can be seen by opening the Vara Setup dialog and the IP address is shown in the title bar


The only way I can get Winlink/VaraAC/etc to connect is to close vara, disable whatever network adapter it has latched onto, then re-launch and hope it attaches to 127.0.0.1 instead of another adapter. Obviously this is not ideal, as I may want to use the resources on those other adapters.


VARA on computers with multiple network cards

 

Is there a way to force Vara to use a specific network adapter? Most applications (VarAC, Winlink, etc.) allow me to chose the IP address of the modem, but I can't find any settings or documentation that lets me tell Vara what IP/network it should be on.
The issue is that I have a computer with multiple network cards, due to virtual adapters, vm's, WSL, etc. and quite often I will be unable? to connect to the Vara modem because instead of using 127.0.0.1 it has configured itself to use one of the other network adapters. This can be seen by opening the Vara Setup dialog and the IP address is shown in the title bar


The only way I can get Winlink/VaraAC/etc to connect is to close vara, disable whatever network adapter it has latched onto, then re-launch and hope it attaches to 127.0.0.1 instead of another adapter. Obviously this is not ideal, as I may want to use the resources on those other adapters.


Re: My VRWS (VARA Radio Web Services) server has released! #digitalham #varac #varachat

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My server is back on 14.110 MHz. I encourage anyone with an HF rig that isn't being used much to fire up the server and let it rest on 14.110 with mine, the more coverage the better!


Re: Need Help - US call sign - unable to send messages when traveling to Europe

 

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Also noted that they only cater for a small group of hams access as well. A service with a kink they operate

Greetings from the Namib

Pieter Jacobs
V51pj

On 12 Jun 2023, at 08:31, G4AON <dave.g4aon@...> wrote:

?On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 04:27 AM, Bryan Moris wrote:
I realize there is some type of law regarding passing digital data in EU if you are an US citizen.
That is not the case, amateur radio is allowed under the CEPT arrangements. The modes are not specified. Don¡¯t forget morse is digital data¡­

The issue is more likely to be the Winlink system not accepting a callsign with a prefix as only registered calls can send traffic.

Just access the Winlink system directly via the internet using your home call.

If it¡¯s any consolation, we have a similar ¡°doesn¡¯t compute¡± issue with the D-Star network using our UK regional callsigns. I was recently in Jersey and should use GJ4AON/P, but the D-Star admins wouldn¡¯t register the regional variants of our calls (not a technical issue, just can¡¯t be bothered), so I had to use G4AON /GJ which isn¡¯t correct under the license terms¡­

73 Dave


Re: Need Help - US call sign - unable to send messages when traveling to Europe

 

Thanks for the information.? This is starting to make sense.? I reviewed your information and the link provided.? The easiest way to look at this is, only the UK, Vienna, and Geneva have Third Party Agreements in place.

So, looking at Winlink Gateway locations in these three areas, only Geneva has one station (3 frequencies) that fall under the Third Party Rules.?

In summary, huge disappointment considering that Winlink should have global capabilities for US citizens.?

Again, thanks for clarifying!
K9BRM


Re: Need Help - US call sign - unable to send messages when traveling to Europe

 

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Here is an excerpt from the Winlink Terms and Conditions on 3rd party traffic restrictions.?? Using ¡°Emergency¡± in the subject line in a non-emergency to circumvent US 3rd party restrictions law is a great way to get kicked off the system¡­

?

Tom N5TW

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Third-Party Traffic
Third-party traffic is any message transmitted between licensed amateurs that is either from or to a non-licensee. Between amateur stations in the Western Hemisphere (with a few exceptions) there is no restriction on third-party traffic being passed over amateur radio. Many countries outside of the Western Hemisphere also now permit third-party traffic over amateur radio. Messages between duly licensed amateurs if they originate from or are delivered over the Internet are not considered third-party traffic. Third-party traffic rules only deal with that portion of the message path which is transmitted over the amateur radio spectrum.

For example: if a message originates from a non-amateur as an internet email in the U.K. and is delivered to a U.S. amateur over the radio from a gateway station in the US, no third-party rule is broken even though the U.K. does not allow third-party traffic over amateur channels. This is because third-party traffic is permitted between two US stations. Likewise, a message originating from a U.S. amateur and passed by radio to a U.S. gateway is okay even if it is addressed to the Internet address of a non-amateur in the U.K. Again, third-party traffic is permitted between the two US stations.

The Winlink System servers automatically enforce US FCC rules regarding third-party traffic when at least one station in a circuit is licensed in the USA. US rules prohibit third party traffic between stations licensed in the US and a foreign country that does not have a third-party traffic agreement with the United States. A list of those that do is kept at:?. Should a message from or to an internet email address be proposed for transfer between stations where third party traffic is prohibited it will be held at the CMS for delivery by a pathway that will not violate the governing rules, and a service message will be delivered instead describing the situation and how the message may be legally retrieved. If a Winlink user tries to send third-party traffic through stations that do not permit such traffic, the message is refused and a service message will be delivered instead, describing the situation and how the message may be legally sent. These Winlink Terms and Conditions of Use are more conservative than the governing FCC rules in some situations.

Users and sysops must make themselves familiar with third-party rules for the country in which they are operating as well as linking with if they are exchanging messages from or to internet addresses or non-amateurs. US gateway sysops should know that ¡ì97.219(c) provides protection for licensees operating as part of a message forwarding system. "...the control operators of forwarding stations that retransmit inadvertently communications that violate the rules in this Part are not accountable for the violative communications. They are, however, responsible for discontinuing such communications once they become aware of their presence."

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bryan Moris
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2023 10:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [VARA-MODEM] Need Help - US call sign - unable to send messages when traveling to Europe

?

I have a US all sign and frequently travel to various countries in EU for work.? When I use winlink and connect to an EU winlink station, I can connect but every time, I am unable to pass traffic.? Basically, it somehow determines that I am a US call sign and then rejects my connection.

I realize there is some type of law regarding passing digital data in EU if you are an US citizen.? I am looking for a way around this or some idea on getting an EU call sign?? Sometimes the return messages states if I put "Emergency" in the header, it will let me through.? But, I would like to pass just normal traffic.?

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Bryan
K9BRM


Re: Need Help - US call sign - unable to send messages when traveling to Europe

 

On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 04:27 AM, Bryan Moris wrote:
I realize there is some type of law regarding passing digital data in EU if you are an US citizen.
That is not the case, amateur radio is allowed under the CEPT arrangements. The modes are not specified. Don¡¯t forget morse is digital data¡­

The issue is more likely to be the Winlink system not accepting a callsign with a prefix as only registered calls can send traffic.

Just access the Winlink system directly via the internet using your home call.

If it¡¯s any consolation, we have a similar ¡°doesn¡¯t compute¡± issue with the D-Star network using our UK regional callsigns. I was recently in Jersey and should use GJ4AON/P, but the D-Star admins wouldn¡¯t register the regional variants of our calls (not a technical issue, just can¡¯t be bothered), so I had to use G4AON /GJ which isn¡¯t correct under the license terms¡­

73 Dave


Need Help - US call sign - unable to send messages when traveling to Europe

 

I have a US all sign and frequently travel to various countries in EU for work.? When I use winlink and connect to an EU winlink station, I can connect but every time, I am unable to pass traffic.? Basically, it somehow determines that I am a US call sign and then rejects my connection.

I realize there is some type of law regarding passing digital data in EU if you are an US citizen.? I am looking for a way around this or some idea on getting an EU call sign?? Sometimes the return messages states if I put "Emergency" in the header, it will let me through.? But, I would like to pass just normal traffic.?

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Bryan
K9BRM


Re: Vara HF security encryption

 

Its more usual for? secure circuits to deploy? encryption? in the? traffic supplied to? the? modem and recovery taking place before the? display equipment , the? level of complexity is the? users? choice , the key could be a? few digits or a floppy disk full?

The modem itself remains unaffected , the association comments are not relevant?

Take ww2 enigma?

Massage > coding > 5 fig groups > CW Key+Operator = over air?

over air > Rx+ CW reading operator > 5 fig groups > decrypt > message?

This appears to be a? working enigma machine? emulation , alphabet only, appears not to accept numbers?




73-Graham
g0nbd


Re: Vara HF security encryption

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Two versions:
1. Amateur Radio version?

2. VarAC for government or Commerical use?

David E. Theriault
President
4K Solutions, LLC
(706) 593-9070
KO4KHB

SDVOSB (CvE)


On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Stephen W9SK <stephen@...> wrote:

?
Bundling a product that provides direct support for ham radio use with other components that are illegal to use in the US is a direct invitation for legal action against distributors by the FCC.? An example is what happened to US distributors of Baofeng/Anytone/etc products that could do both ham (ARS) radio and business (LMR) use.? After fines resulting from FCC legal action they were successful in getting the product OEMs to change the products they were selling to comply with federal law.? Individual holders of FCC issued ARS (ham) licenses practicing that also risk loss of their licenses.

A modified VarAC product that eliminates ham band support may be okay to bundle with encryption for LMR or marine band use, but would also require compliance with other FCC regs for LMR which includes inability for the end user to change configuration or use frequency channels that are not assigned to the user org for their unique license by the FCC.

Something to keep in mind for USA.?

Stephen W9SK

On June 10, 2023 10:57:42 AM "W8NSI James" <w8nsi@...> wrote:

To Dave KO4KHB;
We understand your desire to package an encryption ham radio product with your commercial communication packages to government agencies for a profit.

Ham radio by its nature is not secure.

You can list URLs to download security software with your products or even burn a cd/dvd with them to include when you make a sale.
Or you can contact the authors direct for a commercial encryption capable version.
Or sell them a dragon P4 pactor modem!

--

73 de w8nsi Jim
Yes, I am a VET too. Vietnam '68-'72
ts-480, ft-857, 75m loop. efhw [40-10], 4btv
ft-818nd, mfj efhw [40-10] for portable
registered Winlink and Vara-modem user


Re: Vara HF security encryption

 

Thanks everyone for your input into this topic. I will be attending an Ecomm meeting tomorrow with NZ Police so have solutions for this issue when asked.
Best wishes and thanks from NZ 73 Nigel ZL2SEA


Re: Vara HF security encryption

 

Bundling a product that provides direct support for ham radio use with other components that are illegal to use in the US is a direct invitation for legal action against distributors by the FCC.? An example is what happened to US distributors of Baofeng/Anytone/etc products that could do both ham (ARS) radio and business (LMR) use.? After fines resulting from FCC legal action they were successful in getting the product OEMs to change the products they were selling to comply with federal law.? Individual holders of FCC issued ARS (ham) licenses practicing that also risk loss of their licenses.

A modified VarAC product that eliminates ham band support may be okay to bundle with encryption for LMR or marine band use, but would also require compliance with other FCC regs for LMR which includes inability for the end user to change configuration or use frequency channels that are not assigned to the user org for their unique license by the FCC.

Something to keep in mind for USA.?

Stephen W9SK

On June 10, 2023 10:57:42 AM "W8NSI James" <w8nsi@...> wrote:

To Dave KO4KHB;
We understand your desire to package an encryption ham radio product with your commercial communication packages to government agencies for a profit.

Ham radio by its nature is not secure.

You can list URLs to download security software with your products or even burn a cd/dvd with them to include when you make a sale.
Or you can contact the authors direct for a commercial encryption capable version.
Or sell them a dragon P4 pactor modem!

--

73 de w8nsi Jim
Yes, I am a VET too. Vietnam '68-'72
ts-480, ft-857, 75m loop. efhw [40-10], 4btv
ft-818nd, mfj efhw [40-10] for portable
registered Winlink and Vara-modem user


Re: Vara HF security encryption

 

To Dave KO4KHB;
We understand your desire to package an encryption ham radio product with your commercial communication packages to government agencies for a profit.

Ham radio by its nature is not secure.

You can list URLs to download security software with your products or even burn a cd/dvd with them to include when you make a sale.
Or you can contact the authors direct for a commercial encryption capable version.
Or sell them a dragon P4 pactor modem!

--

73 de w8nsi Jim
Yes, I am a VET too. Vietnam '68-'72
ts-480, ft-857, 75m loop. efhw [40-10], 4btv
ft-818nd, mfj efhw [40-10] for portable
registered Winlink and Vara-modem user


Re: Vara HF security encryption

 

I meant VARA moden not VaraC. Why add encryption complication to an amateur radio product when there are already easily publicly available methods of encryption?
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73 de w8nsi Jim
ts-480, ft-857, 75m loop. efhw [40-10], 4btv
ft-818nd, mfj efhw [40-10] for portable
registered Winlink and Vara-modem user