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On 04/18/2021 10:01 AM, Larry Francis wrote:

Fauquier Co is now on



The Fauquier Web Page as well as other Virginia Counties is no longer available on Ancestry.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "PAT DUNCAN" <GenNutLdn@...>
To: "VA-FAUQUIER" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:33:27 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] Miss original group of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va!

Many of the Virginia records that were once on Ancestry are now available without charge in the Image section on FamilySearch.org.

From: Mary Foulk via groups.io<mailto:boxerb@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 5:43 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] Miss original group of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va!

I subscribed to Ancestry but find it very hard to find any of the "old Stuff".
I think they ruined our research.
Mary June FoulkKnoxville TN


-----Original Message-----
From: Patricia Kennedy Max <pam@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2021 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] Miss original group of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va!

Hello Shirley,

I moved lists that I managed to groups.io and tried to name them as
close to the rootsweb lists as possible. Most of my lists are surname
lists. You can go there and search for various lists. I know that a
number of rootsweb list managers did not move their lists over so it
makes it more difficult to start a new one with the same members on
groups.io.

This is off topic for this list so please email me directly if you want
to continue this conversation.

Patricia Max

On 03/23/2021 01:29 PM, Shirley Starks wrote:

Back in time, the Rootsweb.com had many free and easy to locate
"groups". They were listed as "Surname Lists" and "location lists".
One was a Fauquier Co, VA List. Over time, we became friendly and
gave each other a lot of help. Like Rebecca, I miss that.
Ancestry.com purchased all things Rootsweb and things waned.
Eventually, it closed the site down to "redo" it. Then it was closed
for new entrees, but open to review the old data posted there.
Believe it still is available. Many pulled their data out when it was
purchased by Ancestry.com. Many left their data which was very helpful.
Without those free sites, most likely my interest would never have
deepened. They were a "stepping stone" to further desire for family
history. Without the data found on Rootsweb, I doubt I would have
subscribed to Ancestry.com. Now, we have to find the open lists on
Facebook. I seldom remember them. Those lists on Ancestry.com are
limited to membership. I never seem to remember them either.
Rebecca, I really really miss the old sites and friends made there
also. Some of them Friends / Quakers.
Shirley
Searching in VA: Russell, LeMaistre; Crier; Rust (4 lines);
Hicks; Middleton; Morehead; Clements; Singleton; Bailey; Massie;
Dyall / Diall; Morrey. Kimble;
Many went to Texas & Oklahoma .. then
California. Many more names.

On 3/23/2021 3:44 PM, Patricia Kennedy Max wrote:

Hello Rebecca,

When you use the term "Friends", did you mean that some were Quakers
(Society of Friends)? There is a group

[email protected]

to exchange specific information about Quaker families throughout the
country.

Patricia Max

On 03/23/2021 12:15 PM, Rebecca M. Bashaw via groups.io wrote:

I miss the original group of people of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va.,
Whom I called Friends? We learned a great deal of information from
each other.

RB

--
If you are an American, your heritage is either Native American, slave, refugee, or immigrant.

----- Original Message -----
From: "PAT DUNCAN" <GenNutLdn@...>
To: "VA-FAUQUIER" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:33:27 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] Miss original group of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va!

Many of the Virginia records that were once on Ancestry are now available without charge in the Image section on FamilySearch.org.

From: Mary Foulk via groups.io<mailto:boxerb@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 5:43 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] Miss original group of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va!

I subscribed to Ancestry but find it very hard to find any of the "old Stuff".
I think they ruined our research.
Mary June FoulkKnoxville TN


-----Original Message-----
From: Patricia Kennedy Max <pam@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2021 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] Miss original group of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va!

Hello Shirley,

I moved lists that I managed to groups.io and tried to name them as
close to the rootsweb lists as possible. Most of my lists are surname
lists. You can go there and search for various lists. I know that a
number of rootsweb list managers did not move their lists over so it
makes it more difficult to start a new one with the same members on
groups.io.

This is off topic for this list so please email me directly if you want
to continue this conversation.

Patricia Max

On 03/23/2021 01:29 PM, Shirley Starks wrote:

Back in time, the Rootsweb.com had many free and easy to locate
"groups". They were listed as "Surname Lists" and "location lists".
One was a Fauquier Co, VA List. Over time, we became friendly and
gave each other a lot of help. Like Rebecca, I miss that.
Ancestry.com purchased all things Rootsweb and things waned.
Eventually, it closed the site down to "redo" it. Then it was closed
for new entrees, but open to review the old data posted there.
Believe it still is available. Many pulled their data out when it was
purchased by Ancestry.com. Many left their data which was very helpful.
Without those free sites, most likely my interest would never have
deepened. They were a "stepping stone" to further desire for family
history. Without the data found on Rootsweb, I doubt I would have
subscribed to Ancestry.com. Now, we have to find the open lists on
Facebook. I seldom remember them. Those lists on Ancestry.com are
limited to membership. I never seem to remember them either.
Rebecca, I really really miss the old sites and friends made there
also. Some of them Friends / Quakers.
Shirley
Searching in VA: Russell, LeMaistre; Crier; Rust (4 lines);
Hicks; Middleton; Morehead; Clements; Singleton; Bailey; Massie;
Dyall / Diall; Morrey. Kimble;
Many went to Texas & Oklahoma .. then
California. Many more names.

On 3/23/2021 3:44 PM, Patricia Kennedy Max wrote:

Hello Rebecca,

When you use the term "Friends", did you mean that some were Quakers
(Society of Friends)? There is a group

[email protected]

to exchange specific information about Quaker families throughout the
country.

Patricia Max

On 03/23/2021 12:15 PM, Rebecca M. Bashaw via groups.io wrote:

I miss the original group of people of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va.,
Whom I called Friends? We learned a great deal of information from
each other.

RB

--
If you are an American, your heritage is either Native American, slave, refugee, or immigrant.

-----Original Message-----
From: Patricia Kennedy Max <pam@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2021 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] Miss original group of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va!

Hello Shirley,

I moved lists that I managed to groups.io and tried to name them as
close to the rootsweb lists as possible.? Most of my lists are surname
lists.? You can go there and search for various lists.? I know that a
number of rootsweb list managers did not move their lists over so it
makes it more difficult to start a new one with the same members on
groups.io.

This is off topic for this list so please email me directly if you want
to continue this conversation.

Patricia Max

On 03/23/2021 01:29 PM, Shirley Starks wrote:

Back in time, the Rootsweb.com had many free and easy to locate
"groups".? They were listed as "Surname Lists" and "location lists".
? ? One was a Fauquier Co, VA List.? Over time, we became friendly and
gave each other a lot of help.? Like Rebecca, I miss that.
Ancestry.com purchased all things Rootsweb and things waned.
Eventually, it closed the site down to "redo" it.? Then it was closed
for new entrees, but open to review the old data posted there.?
Believe it still is available.? Many pulled their data out when it was
purchased by Ancestry.com.? Many left their data which was very helpful.
? Without those free sites, most likely my interest would never have
deepened.? They were a "stepping stone" to further desire for family
history.? Without the data found on Rootsweb,? I doubt I would have
subscribed to Ancestry.com.? Now, we have to find the open lists on
Facebook.? I seldom remember them.? Those lists on Ancestry.com are
limited to membership.? I never seem to remember them either.
? ? Rebecca, I really really miss the old sites and friends made there
also.? Some of them Friends / Quakers.
Shirley
Searching in VA:? Russell,? LeMaistre;? Crier;? Rust (4 lines);
Hicks;? Middleton;? Morehead;? Clements;? Singleton;? Bailey; Massie;?
Dyall / Diall;? Morrey. Kimble;
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Many went to Texas & Oklahoma .. then
California.? Many more names.

On 3/23/2021 3:44 PM, Patricia Kennedy Max wrote:

Hello Rebecca,

When you use the term "Friends", did you mean that some were Quakers
(Society of Friends)?? There is a group

[email protected]

to exchange specific information about Quaker families throughout the
country.

Patricia Max

On 03/23/2021 12:15 PM, Rebecca M. Bashaw via groups.io wrote:

I miss the original group of people of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va.,
Whom I called Friends?? We learned a great deal of information from
each other.

RB

--
If you are an American, your heritage is either Native American, slave, refugee, or immigrant.

On 03/23/2021 01:29 PM, Shirley Starks wrote:

Back in time, the Rootsweb.com had many free and easy to locate "groups". They were listed as "Surname Lists" and "location lists".
One was a Fauquier Co, VA List. Over time, we became friendly and gave each other a lot of help. Like Rebecca, I miss that.
Ancestry.com purchased all things Rootsweb and things waned. Eventually, it closed the site down to "redo" it. Then it was closed for new entrees, but open to review the old data posted there. Believe it still is available. Many pulled their data out when it was purchased by Ancestry.com. Many left their data which was very helpful.
Without those free sites, most likely my interest would never have deepened. They were a "stepping stone" to further desire for family history. Without the data found on Rootsweb, I doubt I would have subscribed to Ancestry.com. Now, we have to find the open lists on Facebook. I seldom remember them. Those lists on Ancestry.com are limited to membership. I never seem to remember them either.
Rebecca, I really really miss the old sites and friends made there also. Some of them Friends / Quakers.
Shirley
Searching in VA: Russell, LeMaistre; Crier; Rust (4 lines); Hicks; Middleton; Morehead; Clements; Singleton; Bailey; Massie; Dyall / Diall; Morrey. Kimble;
Many went to Texas & Oklahoma .. then California. Many more names.

On 3/23/2021 3:44 PM, Patricia Kennedy Max wrote:

Hello Rebecca,

When you use the term "Friends", did you mean that some were Quakers (Society of Friends)? There is a group

[email protected]

to exchange specific information about Quaker families throughout the country.

Patricia Max

On 03/23/2021 12:15 PM, Rebecca M. Bashaw via groups.io wrote:

I miss the original group of people of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va., Whom I called Friends? We learned a great deal of information from each other.

RB

On 3/23/2021 3:44 PM, Patricia Kennedy Max wrote:

Hello Rebecca,

When you use the term "Friends", did you mean that some were Quakers (Society of Friends)?? There is a group

[email protected]

to exchange specific information about Quaker families throughout the country.

Patricia Max

On 03/23/2021 12:15 PM, Rebecca M. Bashaw via groups.io wrote:

I miss the original group of people of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va., Whom I called Friends?? We learned a great deal of information from each other.

RB

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 1:38:07 p.m. CST, Vince Hackley <vahackley@...> wrote:

That interesting Darrel. I don’t know anything about myheritage. If you know any male Hackleys on this platform, please send them my way. I’d lover to get them to test in FTDNA. I don’t know if their myheritage Y DNA would be uploadable. I know FTDNA does accept some types of DNA results obtained from other companies.



Also, where did you find your information on this John Hackley of Culpeper? I don’t have this info in my database.



Vince



From: Darrel Hockley <ddh_regina@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 2:58 PM
To: Vince Hackley <vahackley@...>; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] different Y-DNA lines for different Hackleys



Hi Vince,



Yes I was saying that maybe your line of Hackleys may not be the same as the Culpeper line but from what you said below, you probably do descend from them. What got me into the Hackley-Hockley relationship theory is that I have a man with the surname McMurray who is a Hockley Y-DNA match (Family Tree DNA). He also has his DNA on the myheritage site. He matches several Hackleys there who descend originated from Culpeper County, VA (he is 3rd to Distant cousins to them). I got one of them to test with Family Tree DNA and it turns out his Y-DNA is Vaughan rather than Hackley. This Mr. Hackley as it turns out is a descendant of Oliver Vaughan (ca 1795 to after 1880) of Culpeper County who had at least three children with Sarah "Sally" Hackley (ca 1795 to ca 1840), a mix race lady who I believe is the daughter of Lt. John Hackley (ca 1748 to 1801) of Culpeper County and his black slave Lydia (ca 1754 to ca. 1830). Upon his death in 1801 he freed all of his slaves which I believe was really his common law wife Lydia and their children. John Hackley left his money and other property to his fellow white relatives. It was illegal for him to have a family with a black woman, so he probably hoped by giving them their freedom, he hoped things would work out for them in the long run.



Darrel



On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 12:36:58 p.m. CST, Vince Hackley <vahackley@... <mailto:vahackley@...> > wrote:





Sorry, but your message was a bit confusing. You said “So it might be the case that the Y-DNA of the colonial Culpeper County, VA line of Hackleys might still be the same for my Essex, England line of Hockleys, which is in the R U152 haplogroup family? The line of Hackleys for Vince Hackley might be a separate Y-DNA line (northern provinces of BNA)?”. I interpreted “might be the same” as saying that the two lines are the same, while that is impossible. I guess you saying that my line might not be related to the “Virginia line”, in which case there is a chance your line is the same as the “Virginia line”, presuming my line to be different.



In theory, you are correct. But in reality, this is highly unlikely. The three Hackley men who tested on FTDNA (including me) come from two different lines separated geographically. Also, I have an additional match at Y111 with someone who is fairly certain their g-grandfather is a specific Hackley who is of the Virginia Line. He has not tested Big Y yet, so I can’t confirm this, but given that he is the only non Hackley surname match, I think it is likely correct.



I was making a more general comment previously, that there may be other Hackleys (in England for example) who are not related to me but may be related to you. Hackley is not a common name, but it is not rare either.



If I am able to get a Hackley male with a clear descendance from the Virginia Line ancestors to test Big Y, and he also matches, then I can say with high confidence that the two predominant Hackley lines in the US are not related to your Hockleys.



We’ll have to wait and see. BTW…I found that I posted over a year ago asking for male Hackleys from the Virginia Line to test. I even offered to split costs.



Vince



From: Darrel Hockley <ddh_regina@... <mailto:ddh_regina@...> >
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 1:59 PM
To: Vince Hackley <vahackley@... <mailto:vahackley@...> >
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] different Y-DNA lines for different Hackleys



What I am saying is that since R-U152 is Italo-Gaulish, then it probably came to Essex, England with the Roman soldiers.



On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 11:44:33 a.m. CST, Vince Hackley < <mailto:vahackley@...> vahackley@...> wrote:





Not sure I follow this. R-DF21 and R-U152 are on completely separate lines of descent below R-P312, which is over 4000 years to MRCA. They are not related in genealogical time. In fact they split pre-Bronze Age.

On 03/23/2021 12:15 PM, Rebecca M. Bashaw via groups.io wrote:

I miss the original group of people of Rootsweb Fauquier Co., Va., Whom I called Friends? We learned a great deal of information from each other.

RB

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 12:36:58 p.m. CST, Vince Hackley <vahackley@...> wrote:


Sorry, but your message was a bit confusing. You said “So it might be the case that the Y-DNA of the colonial Culpeper County, VA line of Hackleys might still be the same for my Essex, England line of Hockleys, which is in the R U152 haplogroup family? The line of Hackleys for Vince Hackley might be a separate Y-DNA line (northern provinces of BNA)?”. I interpreted “might be the same” as saying that the two lines are the same, while that is impossible. I guess you saying that my line might not be related to the “Virginia line”, in which case there is a chance your line is the same as the “Virginia line”, presuming my line to be different.

?

In theory, you are correct. But in reality, this is highly unlikely. The three Hackley men who tested on FTDNA (including me) come from two different lines separated geographically. Also, I have an additional match at Y111 with someone who is fairly certain their g-grandfather is a specific Hackley who is of the Virginia Line. He has not tested Big Y yet, so I can’t confirm this, but given that he is the only non Hackley surname match, I think it is likely correct.

?

I was making a more general comment previously, that there may be other Hackleys (in England for example) who are not related to me but may be related to you. Hackley is not a common name, but it is not rare either.

?

If I am able to get a Hackley male with a clear descendance from the Virginia Line ancestors to test Big Y, and he also matches, then I can say with high confidence that the two predominant Hackley lines in the US are not related to your Hockleys.

?

We’ll have to wait and see. BTW…I found that I posted over a year ago asking for male Hackleys from the Virginia Line to test. I even offered to split costs.

?

Vince

?

From: Darrel Hockley <ddh_regina@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 1:59 PM
To: Vince Hackley <vahackley@...>
Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] different Y-DNA lines for different Hackleys

?

What I am saying is that since R-U152 is Italo-Gaulish, then it probably came to Essex, England with the Roman soldiers.

?

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 11:44:33 a.m. CST, Vince Hackley <vahackley@...> wrote:

?

?

Not sure I follow this. R-DF21 and R-U152 are on completely separate lines of descent below R-P312, which is over 4000 years to MRCA. They are not related in genealogical time. In fact they split pre-Bronze Age.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 12:02:14 p.m. CST, Vince Hackley <vahackley@...> wrote:

Actually, I see that I posted a request for Hackley males to test Y-DNA in Jan 2020...a little over a year ago. I have received no nibbles thus far.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 11:25:39 a.m. CST, Vince Hackley <vahackley@...> wrote:

Hi Darrell,

Yes, looking at the Y-tree your main line splits off from mine after P312,
which is more than 4000 years ago. Mine belongs to L21-DF21 "Atlantic
Celtic" and more specifically is below the "Little Scottish Cluster" (S3058)
whereas your Hockleys belong to the Italo-Gaulish haplogroups below U152. So
very different lines. DF21 is associated with British/Irish Celtic.

Vince