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Thread Milling


 

I have a requirement for some M6 internally threaded through holes. In the past I have done this same job by drilling holes and tapping with a standard tap followed by a bottoming tap.I usually produce about 80 pieces. As you can see this is a tedious and monotonous task.
This time I am seriously considering doing this job by internal thread milling on the lathe.
I am wondering if anyone on this group has ever contemplated doing the same? I have the means of grinding a carbide milling cutter so that will not be an issue. The parts are about 6mm through.

Dick


 

If you are talking about what I think you are talking about, it doesn't seem very practical.? That's a pretty small size for that sort of thing.? Thread milling is a close cousin to single point threading and requires the same lathe capability to feed at a thread rate as the part rotates.? The only difference is that you have a powered rotating milling cutter independently powered and twirling about as you make just a single pass to create the thread instead of a threading tool and multiple passes.? I would think that for a 6 mm thread it would be extremely difficult to pull off.? Maybe I'm missing something here.

I used to handle a lot of repetitive tapping using a "fast tapper" or "tapping head" (Tapmatic brand in my case) which is a device with a clutch that automatically reverses once the tapping is done and you start withdrawing.? Might be worth looking into.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 05:09:29 PM PST, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:


I have a requirement for some M6 internally threaded through holes. In the past I have done this same job by drilling holes and tapping with a standard tap followed by a bottoming tap.I usually produce about 80 pieces. As you can see this is a tedious and monotonous task.
This time I am seriously considering doing this job by internal thread milling on the lathe.
I am wondering if anyone on this group has ever contemplated doing the same? I have the means of grinding a carbide milling cutter so that will not be an issue. The parts are about 6mm through.

Dick


 

Charles,
I owned two Tapmatic tappers some years ago. They are nice to use and I wish I still had them. They are very expensive to buy even on the used market. It is not cost effective for me and the job I have.
Dick

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Dick,
If you set up the Uni as a mill/drill press and use a spiral point tap
you could knock these out pretty quickly, if you have a reversing motor.
With the standard Uni motors removing the tap will take a bit of hand
cranking. How much cranking depends on the depth of the hole.
For through holes a spiral point tap is what you want. For blind holes
use a spiral flute tap.
Elliot


On 2/24/23 9:43 AM, OldToolmaker via groups.io wrote:
Charles,
I owned two Tapmatic tappers some years ago. They are nice to use and I
wish I still had them. They are very expensive to buy even on the used
market. It is not cost effective for me and the job I have.
Dick
--
Elliot Nesterman
elliot@...
www.ajoure.net

"The finest jewel cannot disguise a flawed character."


 

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Hello Dick and Elliot:

I had a lot of holes to tap in plastic and built a reversing tapper from a cordless drill:

The switch is a DPDT push button to reverse the drill.

Then when I was at my brother-in-law's we needed to tap a bunch of holes so we built a crank to clamp on his drill press spindle:

Guided tapping is the way to go, I try to avoid hand tapping at all cost!

Good luck, Carl.

On 2/24/2023 10:30 AM, Elliot Nesterman wrote:

Dick,
If you set up the Uni as a mill/drill press and use a spiral point tap
you could knock these out pretty quickly, if you have a reversing motor.
With the standard Uni motors removing the tap will take a bit of hand
cranking. How much cranking depends on the depth of the hole.
For through holes a spiral point tap is what you want. For blind holes
use a spiral flute tap.
Elliot

On 2/24/23 9:43 AM, OldToolmaker via groups.io wrote:
Charles,
I owned two Tapmatic tappers some years ago. They are nice to use and I
wish I still had them. They are very expensive to buy even on the used
market. It is not cost effective for me and the job I have.
Dick
--
Elliot Nesterman
elliot@...


"The finest jewel cannot disguise a flawed character."


 

I'm confused¡ªI've never had a bottoming tap and I've seen others in this group say all their bottoming taps were made up from broken plug taps. I thought the whole purpose of the bottoming tap was to finish the thread at the bottom of a blind hole. Why would you need one for a through hole??

Tim in VT


 

? ? ?If you grind the end of a broken tap flat, you have a bottoming tap.? Sometimes useful even?on a through hole in an odd position.


On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:06 PM vt_biketim <tchock59@...> wrote:
I'm confused¡ªI've never had a bottoming tap and I've seen others in this group say all their bottoming taps were made up from broken plug taps. I thought the whole purpose of the bottoming tap was to finish the thread at the bottom of a blind hole. Why would you need one for a through hole??

Tim in VT


 

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Hi Tim:

I remember the stamping die shop I was in hired a mold maker from LA. In die sets they drill holes for springs and call for flat bottoms. Not used to die work the mold maker tried to start the hole with the flat bottom drill, it walked all over the die set. We then told him to drill to depth with a regular drill and then remove the corners with a flat bottom drill.

Carl.

On 2/24/2023 12:06 PM, vt_biketim wrote:

I'm confused¡ªI've never had a bottoming tap and I've seen others in this group say all their bottoming taps were made up from broken plug taps. I thought the whole purpose of the bottoming tap was to finish the thread at the bottom of a blind hole. Why would you need one for a through hole??

Tim in VT


 

Depends on how deep the hole is. If you can run the tap all the way down, you don't need a bottoming tap for a through hole. If your tap is too short, you might. You can certainly make a bottoming tap from a broken tap, but you can buy bottoming taps, too. And sets of taps. I've gotten a few sets, with a taper tap, plug tap, and bottoming tap, and made a few bottoming taps. Depends on how the money is flowing. ;)? A home-made bottoming tap from a broken tap will be shorter than the factory bottoming tap. You can braze an extension onto a tap to get more reach if you need it.?

I've never been flush enough to buy a Tapmatic, though I'd love to, and if I ever wind up rich, I will certainly get a set! ;) I may just try the homebrew tapping head, got a couple of 12V B&D drills that batteries aren't available for.?

Useful info on taps, and the various types of taps:?

HTH!

Bill in OKC

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Aphorisms to live by:
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On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 11:06:49 AM CST, vt_biketim <tchock59@...> wrote:


I'm confused¡ªI've never had a bottoming tap and I've seen others in this group say all their bottoming taps were made up from broken plug taps. I thought the whole purpose of the bottoming tap was to finish the thread at the bottom of a blind hole. Why would you need one for a through hole??

Tim in VT


 

I've had drills walk all over before, but never tried to start a hole with a flat bottom drill. I keep trying to tell people I'm crazy, not stupid. ;) Not sure how many of them are buying it! Great investment for starting drills where you want them is an automatic center punch. You can buy them, or build one yourself. Starrett makes a really nice one, but this is what I've been using for years:?
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Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better



On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 11:38:12 AM CST, Carl <carl.blum@...> wrote:


Hi Tim:

I remember the stamping die shop I was in hired a mold maker from LA. In die sets they drill holes for springs and call for flat bottoms. Not used to die work the mold maker tried to start the hole with the flat bottom drill, it walked all over the die set. We then told him to drill to depth with a regular drill and then remove the corners with a flat bottom drill.

Carl.

On 2/24/2023 12:06 PM, vt_biketim wrote:
I'm confused¡ªI've never had a bottoming tap and I've seen others in this group say all their bottoming taps were made up from broken plug taps. I thought the whole purpose of the bottoming tap was to finish the thread at the bottom of a blind hole. Why would you need one for a through hole??

Tim in VT


 

Probably not what you are looking for, but I use this. ?An easy conversion to a reversing electric drill.


 

A long time ago we had this discussion. In England the three taps are Taper, Second & Plug and a bottoming tap is usually made by grinding the point and lead off a pug tap so you can tap all the way to the bottom of a blind hole.

In America the three taps are Taper, Second & Bottoming. Hence confusion. I have decided to call them First, Second & Third. Should be clear enough to everyone.

To add to the confusion a lot of sets these days do not cut the full thread form until you use the third one. I often use a taper tap, the first one, to cut full threads in thin materials. Sometimes that won't work now.

Ages ago I had to tap a lot of M6 holes in a bit of framework. The holes were drilled in a pillar drill, and then I used a pistol drill to run the tap through, forward and reverse, BUT that was in Al alloy. In steel you would need specialised tap, not sure just what, spiral point, spiral flute, but there are taps to do the job.


 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 05:57 PM, Bill in OKC too wrote:
drill to depth with a regular drill and then remove the corners with a flat bottom drill.
I was assured long ago that a flat bottom drill is made from a slightly bigger drill, with the cutting edges ground off the flutes, and the end flattened. Never seen anyone take the trouble, perhaps because there's only one company I've worked with who had a cylindrical grinder.


 

? This link should take you to a listing for an American Gator tapping tool that can be used on a mill or drill press, ect. Might fit your need.
John