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Re: Internal groove?
开云体育Although I don’t like his lost foam method here’s one way to get your own shaper. ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Kinzer
Sent: December 14, 2024 9:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Unimat] Internal groove? ? Yes.? Shapers were once pretty common.? The production drawback was the time wasted on the back stroke which, of course, does no cutting.? They are designed (usually a straight mechanical design but a hydraulic scheme came later) so the backstroke is faster than the cut stroke to help at least a little bit. ? Since this group has a small machine focus, there have even been hobbyist sized shapers, notably by Adept in England (almost made a small lathe popular with hobbyists), that are hand powered.? You can see that here: ? ? A planer (for metal, not like a wood planer) is another machine some may not be aware of.? It is a cousin to the shaper, but typically larger, much larger, where the tool bit is stationary, and a long table holding the work piece moves to and fro. ? Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer ? ? ? On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 09:24:33 AM PST, Peter Brooks via groups.io <peter@...> wrote: ? ? Ah, like this: ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_i5-kKv3s ? (Yet another machine I never knew existed! :-) |
Re: Tapmatic 70x Reversible Tapping Attachment #10-5/8 Capacity up for auction on shopgoodwill.com.
开云体育Hi Gang: I think this tapper takes rubber flex collets. I don't see any included, but I'm sure you could make substitute collets. Even with
shipping, not a bad price, if the bid doesn't go too high. Carl. On 12/14/2024 12:35 PM, Richard Burrows
via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Emco Unimat 3 Keep Plate Material?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of John Hutnick via groups.io <johnhutnick@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2024 2:09:10 PM To: Peter Brooks <peter@...>; [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Unimat] Emco Unimat 3 Keep Plate Material? ?
What size of "oilon" is used?? Has anyone here used this before, and where do you buy in the US?? The cheapest that I found on Ebay is $105 for 12"x12"x.250.
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Re: Emco Unimat 3 Keep Plate Material?
Lignum vitae might perhaps do it? ?the tropical oily wood that was once used as water resistant and very strong bearing for the main shaft of ocean going ships. Very expensive these days, ?but I just so happen to have a stash. I might be tempted to try that … ? Van:[email protected] <[email protected]> namens John Hutnick via groups.io <johnhutnick@...> Verzonden:?zaterdag, december 14, 2024 11:12 PM Aan:?key2theattic@... <key2theattic@...>; [email protected] <[email protected]> Onderwerp:?Re: [Unimat] Emco Unimat 3 Keep Plate Material? ? Nobody said Nyloil and I do not know equivalents.?? |
Re: Emco Unimat 3 Keep Plate Material?
As far as I know it’s oil impregnated nylon… I’m in the UK so had no trouble getting it, no idea about the US. Maybe there is an equivalent brand.
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Personally I’m planning on using a thicker section than the original keep plates, there’s quite a lot of room but you’d need longer bolts. |
Re: Internal groove?
I've actually done that when I worked in a machine shop. The machine needs to be locked into its lowest gear and isolated and the tool carefully set to centre height, but the job is quite straightforward. However, it's not as good as using a dedicated slotter, or a slotting attachment on a Bridgeport. Paul B.
On Saturday 14 December 2024 at 11:03:08 GMT, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
I had seen more than once examples of making a keyway using a lathe like a shaper.? By traversing the carriage back and forth manually. Found this video showing exactly that. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 02:16:15 AM PST, Peter Brooks via groups.io <peter@...> wrote:
Thanks Richard, and for the link.
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The page on ‘Involute Broaches’ shows some tooling of triangular section, looks like that is likely.
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Back and forth I guess, with a constant downward pressure. Which led me to look at ‘broaching machines’.
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You learn something everyday. ‘Life long learning’, as they say.
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Re: Triangular Gib Key For Unimat Vertical Column
You're still going to need a relatively large milling machine. The table on my mini-mill is just over 15" long, and I'm not at all sure how close you can get to the ends. I got to use several Bridgeport clones with tables around 50" in my class, and it would have been a snap to do it on one of those. The post I have does have a feature that would help index it, though. That would allow moving it down the table to make multiple cuts if necessary. Bill in OKC? William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better. Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 11:47:13 AM CST, Steve via groups.io <srjones@...> wrote:
What is the shape of the desired grove? Is it a triangle? If the use of a mill is available, then I would use a 45 Deg dovetail end mill to cut the grove in the column. Lay and clamp the column on it's side and cut on the forward face of the column, not the top!! Use the X to cut the length and the Y to cut the depth. Steve On 11/26/2024 7:06 PM, OldToolmaker via groups.io wrote: A few years ago I became interested in David Urwick’s triangular gib key |
Re: Internal groove?
Yes! I've drooled over a couple of "small" planers, but they're considerably larger than a small shaper. Not nearly enough room in my shop, so gave up on that idea.? Bill in OKC? William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better. Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 11:42:53 AM CST, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
Yes.? Shapers were once pretty common.? The production drawback was the time wasted on the back stroke which, of course, does no cutting.? They are designed (usually a straight mechanical design but a hydraulic scheme came later) so the backstroke is faster than the cut stroke to help at least a little bit. Since this group has a small machine focus, there have even been hobbyist sized shapers, notably by Adept in England (almost made a small lathe popular with hobbyists), that are hand powered.? You can see that here: A planer (for metal, not like a wood planer) is another machine some may not be aware of.? It is a cousin to the shaper, but typically larger, much larger, where the tool bit is stationary, and a long table holding the work piece moves to and fro. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 09:24:33 AM PST, Peter Brooks via groups.io <peter@...> wrote:
Ah, like this:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_i5-kKv3s
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(Yet another machine I never knew existed! :-)
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Re: Internal groove?
I've seen a table saw used to cut aluminum for motor mounts for McCullough chainsaw motors for my uncles racing go-karts. Not seen steel cut that way. Think the table saw would run too fast for that in steel.? A slitting saw on a horizontal milling machine would likely work for rough stock removal. Could also work on a vertical mill. I've got one of each, if I can get farther into my project list, I may be able to find out. Also have some side milling cutters for the horizontal mill. And it may be closer to operational than the HF mini-mill. One of these days I need to buy a machine tools that's ready to run! ? Bill in OKC? William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better. Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 11:40:22 AM CST, pat goodyear <pgoodyear@...> wrote:
Cutting a grove on the milling column, a couple of methods come to mind.? You could use a carbide blade on a table saw, lock the column so it couldn't rotate and make a couple shallow passes with the table saw.? ?Another way would be to use a key way cutter in a router on a router table and cut a grove that way, or use a dovetail cutter to cut a triangular grove in the milling column.? ?As for the head only a small depth would be needed and using a dremel with a diamond burr would be sufficient to hog off material, and finish with a file using it as a gouge to cut the square shape.?
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?Just my old school farm boy raised thoughts, oh and my dad was a blacksmith.?
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Re: Internal groove?
Yep! So you need to find a neighbor? who has one, if possible.?? Bill in OKC? William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better. Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 11:24:31 AM CST, Peter Brooks via groups.io <peter@...> wrote:
Ah, like this:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_i5-kKv3s
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(Yet another machine I never knew existed! :-)
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Re: Internal groove?
Correction.? I meant Adept "also made a small lathe...", not "almost made a small lathe..." Don't know why my brain is making such mistakes.? Must be age. Incidentally, for those who may not know, that lathes.co.uk site is an absolute treasure trove.? I don't see it at his site now, but recently he offered a copy of the entire site on a USB drive for a fair price, and, of course, you get to keep the USB drive.? Naturally, it is the site as of a certain date as it keeps growing.? But it was (is?) a way to have a huge archive in case the online one goes away at some point. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer?
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 09:42:47 AM PST, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
Yes.? Shapers were once pretty common.? The production drawback was the time wasted on the back stroke which, of course, does no cutting.? They are designed (usually a straight mechanical design but a hydraulic scheme came later) so the backstroke is faster than the cut stroke to help at least a little bit. Since this group has a small machine focus, there have even been hobbyist sized shapers, notably by Adept in England (almost made a small lathe popular with hobbyists), that are hand powered.? You can see that here: A planer (for metal, not like a wood planer) is another machine some may not be aware of.? It is a cousin to the shaper, but typically larger, much larger, where the tool bit is stationary, and a long table holding the work piece moves to and fro. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 09:24:33 AM PST, Peter Brooks via groups.io <peter@...> wrote:
Ah, like this:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_i5-kKv3s
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(Yet another machine I never knew existed! :-)
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Re: Tapmatic 70x Reversible Tapping Attachment #10-5/8 Capacity up for auction on shopgoodwill.com.
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Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2024 12:35:02 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [Unimat] Tapmatic 70x Reversible Tapping Attachment #10-5/8 Capacity up for auction on shopgoodwill.com. ?
There is a Tapmatic 70x Reversible Tapping Attachment #10-5/8 Capacity up for auction on shopgoodwill.com
This might be useful for someone who has a larger lathe, I have a DB200 so this is to big for mine.
Looks like it could be a morse taper 2...
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https://shopgoodwill.com/item/217491933
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Re: Triangular Gib Key For Unimat Vertical Column
What is the shape of the desired grove? Is it a triangle?
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If the use of a mill is available, then I would use a 45 Deg dovetail end mill to cut the grove in the column. Lay and clamp the column on it's side and cut on the forward face of the column, not the top!! Use the X to cut the length and the Y to cut the depth. Steve On 11/26/2024 7:06 PM, OldToolmaker via groups.io wrote: A few years ago I became interested in David Urwick’s triangular gib key |
Re: Internal groove?
Yes.? Shapers were once pretty common.? The production drawback was the time wasted on the back stroke which, of course, does no cutting.? They are designed (usually a straight mechanical design but a hydraulic scheme came later) so the backstroke is faster than the cut stroke to help at least a little bit. Since this group has a small machine focus, there have even been hobbyist sized shapers, notably by Adept in England (almost made a small lathe popular with hobbyists), that are hand powered.? You can see that here: A planer (for metal, not like a wood planer) is another machine some may not be aware of.? It is a cousin to the shaper, but typically larger, much larger, where the tool bit is stationary, and a long table holding the work piece moves to and fro. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 09:24:33 AM PST, Peter Brooks via groups.io <peter@...> wrote:
Ah, like this:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_i5-kKv3s
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(Yet another machine I never knew existed! :-)
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