Feed Transmission For Mini Lathe ?
Hey Guys, I'm hoping some of you bright people will be able to help. I'm looking for a Feed Transmission for a Sieg C0 Mini Lathe. Ive seen photos of them before and they appear really simple, driven by a small rubber belt connected to a shaft with a radius groove for a pulley. The shaft then has two small bevel gears to transfer the motion to the lead-screw. The problem I face is the housing is cast and I could perhaps weld up something else it would be a bit of a faf and the other is that i cant index gears. So I'm looking for some simple parts to make my own. I will need two small bevel gears but can make my own shafts and would also need the rubber belt. How to make the 'housing' will pose the biggest problem, one which i have not thought about as yet but I'm sure i could make this too if i apply myself. I'm just reaching out to see if anyone can help ! Maybe someone has a spare assembly for an old sieg c0 they never use. Mine is an ax-minster but they are the same lathe. I think grizzly also did one, or badged one imported from who knows where. I'm in the UK though so bear this in mind
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Re: Dumb question dept. - and what about the Unimat grub screw
Hi, Herman.
On the tailstock, the one by the quill is a dog point. It rides inside a channel and acts as a stop or a limiting screw. The one by the handle is a cone point, as it is used to firmly lock the bearing in place. (In the manual the bearing is called a "guide pin".) It stabs down into the bearing to freeze it in place within the casting.
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Hello John,
I built a Quorn tool and cutter grinder a few years back so I do have the capability of making my own cutters also. I enjoy grinding my own cutters when the need arises. As I commented before, being self sufficient to a point is a positive thing.
Dick
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Re: Dumb question dept. - and what about the Unimat grub screw
Hi
Gang:
And the
Unimat is the perfect machine to change a set screw to Dog
Point. ( Carbide might help )
Carl.
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If you are going to buy one or two look for ¡°dog point set screws¡±
I have a box of them from other projects.
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Re: Dumb question dept. - and what about the Unimat grub screw
If you are going to buy one or two look for ¡°dog point set screws¡± I have a box of them from other projects.
Dick
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Re: Dumb question dept. - and what about the Unimat grub screw
Screws that are missing several threads and cut square at the end of the screw are ¡°dog screws¡±.? ? Jerry F. ?
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Subject: Re: [Unimat] Dumb question dept. - and what about the Unimat grub screw? Thanks for the fascinating discussion. If I may, what would be the advice for the grub screws that are found on the Unimats? Which form should these have? So far, I believe mine (for drilling head and tail stock) to be flat with some 3 mm of thread removed. Op 30-08-2023 04:24 schreef Tool247 <sjkochan@...>: Yes the typical smaller screws are cold formed. The end of the screw shows what happens when a formed thread is not supported. Those smaller screws are squished between 2 plates with slanted grooves. That is what forms the threads. When the cylindrical shank is squished some of the material deforms out of the end of the screws. If the screw has a squished looking end it was cold formed. If it is perfectly flat with a chamfer then it is machined out of bar stock. Usually over 1¡± are machined.? Under a 1/4¡± are made on high speed machines, 1/4-7/8¡± are on larger former machines and 1¡± and over are usually machined. That is why pricing changes quite drastically around those sizes.? ? If you look carefully, many bolts are not actually flat on the end.? At times I have had to machine the end of a screw flat to not have marring. ? ?
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Re: Dumb question dept. - and what about the Unimat grub screw
Thanks for the fascinating discussion. If I may, what would be the advice for the grub screws that are found on the Unimats? Which form should these have? So far, I believe mine (for drilling head and tail stock) to be flat with some 3 mm of thread removed.
Herman
Thanks in advance?
Op 30-08-2023 04:24 schreef Tool247 <sjkochan@...>:
Yes the typical smaller screws are cold formed. The end of the screw shows what happens when a formed thread is not supported. Those smaller screws are squished between 2 plates with slanted grooves. That is what forms the threads. When the cylindrical shank is squished some of the material deforms out of the end of the screws. If the screw has a squished looking end it was cold formed. If it is perfectly flat with a chamfer then it is machined out of bar stock. Usually over 1¡± are machined.?
Under a 1/4¡± are made on high speed machines, 1/4-7/8¡± are on larger former machines and 1¡± and over are usually machined. That is why pricing changes quite drastically around those sizes.?
If you look carefully, many bolts are not actually flat on the end.? At times I have had to machine the end of a screw flat to not have marring.
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Yes the typical smaller screws are cold formed. The end of the screw shows what happens when a formed thread is not supported. Those smaller screws are squished between 2 plates with slanted grooves. That is what forms the threads. When the cylindrical shank is squished some of the material deforms out of the end of the screws. If the screw has a squished looking end it was cold formed. If it is perfectly flat with a chamfer then it is machined out of bar stock. Usually over 1¡± are machined.?
Under a 1/4¡± are made on high speed machines, 1/4-7/8¡± are on larger former machines and 1¡± and over are usually machined. That is why pricing changes quite drastically around those sizes.?
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If you look carefully, many bolts are not actually flat on the end.? At times I have had to machine the end of a screw flat to not have marring.
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Kevin Groenke @ PersonMakeObject
Also, the reason set (grub) screws have many end varieties is because that is a "working" portion of the design. On typical bolts and applicatiin, the primary "working" portion of the design is the head and shoulder which, of course, there are almost countless varieties of.
On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, 1:57 PM Peter Brooks < peter@...> wrote: I have a dumb question - why are there flat, cup and cone termination varieties of grub screw, when bolts only (as far as I¡¯m aware) come in one style?
I¡¯m guessing they have a specific purpose¡
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If you look carefully, many bolts are not actually flat on the end.? At times I have had to machine the end of a screw flat to not have marring.
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Hello
Peter:
You are
right, bolts usually only have the straight end, but there are
self-tapping ends.
But the
Point is the "working" end of a set screw, and each Point has
a special purpose.
Flat
and Oval points are mostly for clamping and not damaging the
shaft.
Cup and
Cone points are for more robust clamping where scoring the
shaft is acceptable.
Dog and
Half Dog points (also called
extended point)? often seat in slots in shafts allowing a
sliding fit.
Soft-Tip
points avoid damaging the shaft and can be brass or plastic.
There
are also Hollow-Lock set screws for locking and adjusting a
second set screw.
Check
for a large assortment.
Carl.
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termination varieties of grub screw, when bolts only (as far as
I¡¯m aware) come in one style?
I¡¯m guessing they have a specific purpose¡
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Kevin Groenke @ PersonMakeObject
I was thinking of writing an answer but just did a copy/paste from Wikipedia instead. Also, many bolts do have different end shapes.
"Set screws appear with a variety of tip (point) types. The different shaped tips have different properties that engineers can utilize. If an engineer were to use a detent to ensure proper nesting of the screw, they might choose to use a cone point type of screw. One might often need to use a flat point when the screw must press perfectly flat against a surface. The most common type is the cup point. This type works well because the surface is rounded so that a small surface area is in contact, but it does not have extremely high stress at one point like that of a cone point. Durability studies show that the cup point offers superior resistance to wear while maintaining a strong grip. Knurled cup points offer the added advantage of a locking action (similar to that of a serrated lock washer) that prevents the screws from working loose in high-vibration applications."
On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, 1:57 PM Peter Brooks < peter@...> wrote: I have a dumb question - why are there flat, cup and cone termination varieties of grub screw, when bolts only (as far as I¡¯m aware) come in one style?
I¡¯m guessing they have a specific purpose¡
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I have a dumb question - why are there flat, cup and cone termination varieties of grub screw, when bolts only (as far as I¡¯m aware) come in one style?
I¡¯m guessing they have a specific purpose¡
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Hello Jeffrey,
I agree every one of us has only a limited amount of time and non of us knows how much time that is so we make the most it while we are still able.
Dick
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On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 05:14 PM, Jkle379184 wrote:
Tom's Tool Store has gone the way of many of our old suppliers. I used the Way Back Machine Internet search engine and located his old site. I was then able to download his old online catalog so I have the information and photos for the Unimats.?
I'm pretty sure all the information, but with detailed drawings and part numbers of many more parts, is available in the files section where there are Unimat manuals for the DB/SL and the U3. Not sure about the U4 or the PC/Basic.
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Hello, John
Yes, I have lifetime supply of belt making materials and years ago happened upon a package of ten DB-200 headstock bearings at an auction. Also picked up a box of used spindles.
Dick
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This is like most hobbies where people have a range of interests and points of view.? None are inherently wrong.? One person's view may be different from that of another, but that does not negate anyone's view.
In the business world, "make or buy" decisions tend to be strongly based on hard facts like cost, time, and in-house capability.? In a hobby, nobody has to follow these rules.? They can do whatever they want.? And not do whatever they don't want..
For example, on the largest mini-lathe group, there are countless projects being done to improve the quality of the lathe and make all manner of attachments.? This exists to the point where you seldom see a non-lathe project actually made on the lathe.? And there is nothing wrong with that.? Many are first time lathe owners where the lathe itself becomes a project and the get a lot of fun and satisfaction.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 07:59:05 PM PDT, John Entwistle via groups.io <jentwistle3@...> wrote:
What sort of stuff should we be making? Bearings? Drive belts? I grind my own hss, but i¡¯m not making any end mills or drill bits.
On Aug 26, 2023, at 8:54 PM, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote: ?
Yes, we probably should be making our own parts for our own machines,?although not all Unimat owners are willing to expend their time on making their own?parts for their machines. I for one enjoy building my own Unimat parts. I like the freedom from reliance?on others for my replacement parts. I do?not need to be dependent?on others and the?high prices they charge. Dick
On Saturday, August 26, 2023, 2:46 PM, Jeffrey Kropp <jeffreykropp1@...> wrote: ? ? ? ?I have reached an age where time is not unlimited.? Therefore I prefer to use my time for making things other than more lathe accessories.? YouTube often shows me ways of machining something w/o giving in to the temptation of acquiring additional lathe tooling..... This idea of making your own parts is too difficult and time consuming.? I have lathes, etc., to make things for my hobby, model trains.? My hobby is not to be supporting the Unimat.? Many Unimats and their accessories I keep as a collector.? When I want to do work, I frequently turn to other machines:? Emco, Sherline, Cowells, Taig.? I am fortunate to have them, but they are a lifetime of collecting.
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Yes, we probably should be making our own parts for our own machines,?although not all Unimat owners are willing to expend their time on making their own?parts for their machines. I for one enjoy building my own Unimat parts. I like the freedom from reliance?on others for my replacement parts. I do?not need to be dependent?on others and the?high prices they charge. Dick
On Saturday, August 26, 2023, 2:46 PM, Jeffrey Kropp <jeffreykropp1@...> wrote: ? ? ? ?I have reached an age where time is not unlimited.? Therefore I prefer to use my time for making things other than more lathe accessories.? YouTube often shows me ways of machining something w/o giving in to the temptation of acquiring additional lathe tooling..... This idea of making your own parts is too difficult and time consuming.? I have lathes, etc., to make things for my hobby, model trains.? My hobby is not to be supporting the Unimat.? Many Unimats and their accessories I keep as a collector.? When I want to do work, I frequently turn to other machines:? Emco, Sherline, Cowells, Taig.? I am fortunate to have them, but they are a lifetime of collecting.
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Yes, we probably should be making our own parts for our own machines,?although not all Unimat owners are willing to expend their time on making their own?parts for their machines. I for one enjoy building my own Unimat parts. I like the freedom from reliance?on others for my replacement parts. I do?not need to be dependent?on others and the?high prices they charge.
On Saturday, August 26, 2023, 2:46 PM, Jeffrey Kropp <jeffreykropp1@...> wrote: ? ? ? ?I have reached an age where time is not unlimited.? Therefore I prefer to use my time for making things other than more lathe accessories.? YouTube often shows me ways of machining something w/o giving in to the temptation of acquiring additional lathe tooling..... This idea of making your own parts is too difficult and time consuming.? I have lathes, etc., to make things for my hobby, model trains.? My hobby is not to be supporting the Unimat.? Many Unimats and their accessories I keep as a collector.? When I want to do work, I frequently turn to other machines:? Emco, Sherline, Cowells, Taig.? I am fortunate to have them, but they are a lifetime of collecting.
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? ? ? ?I have reached an age where time is not unlimited.? Therefore I prefer to use my time for making things other than more lathe accessories.? YouTube often shows me ways of machining something w/o giving in to the temptation of acquiring additional lathe tooling.....
This idea of making your own parts is too difficult and time consuming.? I have lathes, etc., to make things for my hobby, model trains.? My hobby is not to be supporting the Unimat.? Many Unimats and their accessories I keep as a collector.? When I want to do work, I frequently turn to other machines:? Emco, Sherline, Cowells, Taig.? I am fortunate to have them, but they are a lifetime of collecting.
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OldToolmaker
Carl
Herman de Leeuw
Tool247
John Entwistle