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Re: Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHey Royce, MESA doesn¡¯t make the stepper drivers.? Just the interface from the computer to the stepper drivers.? So how are you creating the step/dir signals from the Pi to the stepper drivers? With the BeagleBone Black the advantage was the co-processors that created very accurate timing and pulse trains as they operated outside of Linux. However the Pi doesn¡¯t have that hence the need for some sort of module that takes commands and creates accurate step/dir and can read high resolution encoder A/B+Z signals. John ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of roycegb via groups.io
Sent: August 26, 2024 6:01 AM To: John Dammeyer; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Unimat] Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software ? I use NEMA17s for my Unimat SL conversion. ?Get dual shaft versions since they allow easy manual override. ? I use cheap Chinese stepper drivers, although MESA may be simpler. ? I now use a Raspberry Pi running Linux CNC. ? ? ? ? I never found latency to be much of a problem on a small Unimat ? ? ? Linux can be tricky if you are not computer savvy. ? ? ? ? Linux CNC is outstanding whenever you just want to use machine code (G Code). It allows named variables, repetitive looping, subroutines, math on the variables. ?These allow you to do many tasks right in LinuxCNC. ? I used older versions of Sketchup with the PhlatBoyz extension for years. ?It is a CAD program that is simple to use but finicky. ?I am currently moving to Fusion 360. ? Royce ? |
Re: Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software
I use NEMA17s for my Unimat SL conversion. ?Get dual shaft versions since they allow easy manual override.
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I use cheap Chinese stepper drivers, although MESA may be simpler.
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I now use a Raspberry Pi running Linux CNC. ?
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? ? I never found latency to be much of a problem on a small Unimat
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? ? Linux can be tricky if you are not computer savvy. ?
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? ? Linux CNC is outstanding whenever you just want to use machine code (G Code). It allows named variables, repetitive looping, subroutines, math on the variables. ?These allow you to do many tasks right in LinuxCNC.
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I used older versions of Sketchup with the PhlatBoyz extension for years. ?It is a CAD program that is simple to use but finicky. ?I am currently moving to Fusion 360.
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Royce
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Re: Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýPeter, This is one option for a 3 or 4 axis set of drivers.? Reasonably inexpensive.? I even bought two more than 10 years ago and haven¡¯t used them yet. ? I also have several of these picked up for much the same reason for a project that never happened but these would work for a DB200. ? ? or here you get the break out board and the stepper drivers. ? For the lathe that would give you a spare driver if one failed.? Then connect to the MESA 7i92 and either run LinuxCNC from your laptop using the Ethernet connection to the MESA board or use a Pi4 with an old keyboard and mouse. ? John ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Brooks
Sent: August 25, 2024 12:22 PM To: John Dammeyer; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Unimat] Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software ? Thanks John for the replies and the comprehensive information. Nice YouTube video too. I¡¯m in the UK BTW. ? It may be far more complex than I first thought! Some serious research will be required I think. ? Any suggestions for an adequate (but not overly complex) primer on the internet? ? The Raspberry Pi is a great idea, good and compact. ? Cheers, Peter |
Re: Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software
Thanks John for the replies and the comprehensive information. Nice YouTube video too. I¡¯m in the UK BTW.
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It may be far more complex than I first thought! Some serious research will be required I think.
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Any suggestions for an adequate (but not overly complex) primer on the internet?
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The Raspberry Pi is a great idea, good and compact.
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Cheers,
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Re: Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOh and BTW, I did find that the Arduino based electronic gearing required a 600 PPR encoder but apparently the encoder they recommend doesn¡¯t have an index pulse (Z).? LinuxCNC needs an Index pulse so don¡¯t get caught buying a $10 encoder only to find it won¡¯t work for threading. ? A bit of Aliexpress research shows up this encoder as an example.? Available with various supply voltages and PNP or NPN outputs and encoder counts. ? ? Now if you set up your spindle to turn with a DC or AC servo motor and toothed belt and have a second motor on the Milling Machine expansion then you can not only use the Uniimat DB-200 as a CNC 2 axis mill but add the 4th axis for indexing the lathe spindle.? Sky is the limit for this depth of ¡®playing¡¯. ? John ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Dammeyer
Sent: August 25, 2024 10:30 AM To: [email protected]; peter@... Subject: Re: [Unimat] Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software ? Hi Peter, There¡¯s no end of stepper motors and motor drivers in various combinations.? And everyone will have an opinion on what is best so I¡¯ll leave that to others.? On my Gingery Lathe I have these discontinued stepper drivers and a breakout board that goes to my Electronic Lead Screw which only requires a 1PPR spindle sensor. ? I was going to use a Beaglebone Black and this cape but support for MachineKit (LinuxCNC offshoot) dried up and the cape required normally open limit switches plus is discontinued too.? Here¡¯s a link to a 6 year old video where the BeagleBone was used to run Z and Y axis of my mill.
? For the control system what can you buy that makes the least impact on your budget?? Not all laptops will work with LinuxCNC because of their internal battery saving approach.? For example battery voltage drops a bit so does the processor clock (to conserve power) and suddenly you have a response issue. ? I went a different direction for my playing on the bench and ultimately for one of my systems. A Raspberry Pi4 4GB can always be repurposed for something like Home Assistant or any other projects.? Doesn¡¯t go out of style as quickly as a laptop.? Keyboards, mice and monitors now often come for free. ? The break out boards come from China and run under $20 and have a standard parallel port interface connector and powered from USB or a 5V supply to isolate the Motor side from the processor. ? And finally the best and easiest way to use LinuxCNC is with the Mesa 7i92TF for example.? There are more extensive MESA products for larger CNC systems but other than the break out boards and the MESA everything else is recyclable and the MESA card can be resold. ? ? For the lathe the only other thing you will need is some sort of multi-line encoder on the lathe spindle to detect position and speed.? John ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Brooks ? I'm lucky enough to have about three quarters of a second Unimat 3 to play with, and (while this is a huge rabbit hole that I probably don't need to dive down) I'm interested in trying out some CNC technology. ? I wouldn't want to buy a CNC kit - I'd tinker on myself, so would be particularly like to learn from those who have done it DIY. ? ?- what type and size stepper motors did you use? ?- what hardware controller? ?- what software?? I would more than likely use Linux on a laptop. ?- how you attached the motors ? Plus of course any other advice from your experiences. ? Many thanks! |
Re: Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Peter, There¡¯s no end of stepper motors and motor drivers in various combinations.? And everyone will have an opinion on what is best so I¡¯ll leave that to others.? On my Gingery Lathe I have these discontinued stepper drivers and a breakout board that goes to my Electronic Lead Screw which only requires a 1PPR spindle sensor. ? I was going to use a Beaglebone Black and this cape but support for MachineKit (LinuxCNC offshoot) dried up and the cape required normally open limit switches plus is discontinued too.? Here¡¯s a link to a 6 year old video where the BeagleBone was used to run Z and Y axis of my mill.
? For the control system what can you buy that makes the least impact on your budget?? Not all laptops will work with LinuxCNC because of their internal battery saving approach.? For example battery voltage drops a bit so does the processor clock (to conserve power) and suddenly you have a response issue. ? I went a different direction for my playing on the bench and ultimately for one of my systems. A Raspberry Pi4 4GB can always be repurposed for something like Home Assistant or any other projects.? Doesn¡¯t go out of style as quickly as a laptop.? Keyboards, mice and monitors now often come for free. ? The break out boards come from China and run under $20 and have a standard parallel port interface connector and powered from USB or a 5V supply to isolate the Motor side from the processor. ? And finally the best and easiest way to use LinuxCNC is with the Mesa 7i92TF for example.? There are more extensive MESA products for larger CNC systems but other than the break out boards and the MESA everything else is recyclable and the MESA card can be resold. ? ? For the lathe the only other thing you will need is some sort of multi-line encoder on the lathe spindle to detect position and speed.? John ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Brooks
Sent: August 25, 2024 8:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Unimat] Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software ? I'm lucky enough to have about three quarters of a second Unimat 3 to play with, and (while this is a huge rabbit hole that I probably don't need to dive down) I'm interested in trying out some CNC technology. ? I wouldn't want to buy a CNC kit - I'd tinker on myself, so would be particularly like to learn from those who have done it DIY. ? ?- what type and size stepper motors did you use? ?- what hardware controller? ?- what software?? I would more than likely use Linux on a laptop. ?- how you attached the motors ? Plus of course any other advice from your experiences. ? Many thanks! |
Recommendations for stepper motors, controller, software
I'm lucky enough to have about three quarters of a second Unimat 3 to play with, and (while this is a huge rabbit hole that I probably don't need to dive down) I'm interested in trying out some CNC technology.
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I wouldn't want to buy a CNC kit - I'd tinker on myself, so would be particularly like to learn from those who have done it DIY.
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?- what type and size stepper motors did you use?
?- what hardware controller?
?- what software?? I would more than likely use Linux on a laptop.
?- how you attached the motors
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Plus of course any other advice from your experiences.
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Many thanks! |
Re: Anyone Actively Unimat?
I got my U3 with the intention of making small parts for large format cameras and accessories... but so far I've mainly been working on things to 'improve' it (DC motor, collet holder, threading etc.).
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I have used it to modify a few things though and really enjoy using it.
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I haven't owned a lathe before and this is the only one I have.? I'm trying hard to resist getting any more ! |
Re: Thread Size on ER32 collet.
Thank you, Andrei!
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Re: Thread Size on ER32 collet.
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Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2024 9:08:00 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [Unimat] Thread Size on ER32 collet. ?
Does anyone know what the thread size is on an ER-32 collet closer nut?
I want to adapt my Unimat the nose to fit the collet closer nut.
Thanks,
Dick
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Thread Size on ER32 collet.
Does anyone know what the thread size is on an ER-32 collet closer nut?
I want to adapt my Unimat the nose to fit the collet closer nut.
Thanks,
Dick
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Re: Unimat DB200 Dutch Motor Diagram
#db200
I'm trying to do the opposite. I just got the same motor. It is packed with decades of dust and grease and I'm trying to take it spart to clean.
I removed 2 long screws and 4 screws that hold the capacitor cover. The aluminum end caps sit in the cylindrical body very tight. Do you just pull them out? Anything else I'm missing? |
Re: Just bought a DB200, need a motor. (Doesnt have to be an EMCO).
Hi needed to change the motor on my Unimat SL as it kept tripping the power.
I bought a 12v DC motor and a cheap PWM speed controller for it.
I 3D printed a pulley for the motor so I could turn a new pulley. I wanted to be able to put the origianl motor back if needed.
I added a 12V 5amp power supply I had then 3D printed an enclosure for the speed control and on/off switch (12v) and got it running.?
I can't remember the price of the motor or PWM speed controller but they weren't a lot.
As you can see from the photo I'm converting a drill chuck to an M12 for the lathe as I didn't have one.
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Re: Just bought a DB200, need a motor. (Doesnt have to be an EMCO).
You'll be way happier with the 24 VDC conversion. They have comfortable power and run cool. The power supply and switching speed control are not expensive. And replacement motors are inexpensive. Neil On Thu., Aug. 22, 2024, 4:29 a.m. Carl via , <carl.blum=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Just bought a DB200, need a motor. (Doesnt have to be an EMCO).
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 12:05 PM, Carl wrote:
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I was assuming that any power supply would built into a decent casing, with a mains switch, and maybe a separate on/off switch for the output. A power indicator and an output fuse would be normal. To connect to the lathe I have used three pin XLR audio connectors. I find the cheaper ones have nice solid brass pins suitable for the current involved. On my version I had extra options on the front panel, assuming I would have several uses for the power supply, but they haven't happened yet. The variable speed controller is also in the same box, and I have a switch option for direct 24 V or speed control. I have found it inconvenient to reach over to the back of the bench to adjust the speed and start/stop the motor, hence my recommendation to put the speed controller on a base plate along with the lathe..
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As for taping over the vents on a sewing machine motor, I was looking for a "proper" solution to the motor problem - something which will still be in use in 20 years time. Most tape falls off after a while.
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And for treadle drive, I've seen a complete work bench, with an SL at the centre of it, on a sewing machine treadle stand. Only the lighting was not powered off the treadle. Adding some more electrics to charge a small battery while the machine is running could solve that problem. It seemed to work quite well.
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Re: Turning Wood
Factory options to use the unimat for wood were many. Table saw, jig saw, planer, Tool rests, mounts, table router etc. ?Jeff
On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 11:57:18 AM EDT, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
There is nothing inherently wrong with using a metal lathe to turn wood.? And, interestingly, the Unimat even has an accessory or two related to cutting wood. HOWEVER, wood chips and dust contain moisture that metal chips do not.? If not well cleaned after use, this can lead, sometimes quickly, to rust or corrosion of bare metal machine parts. Metal lathes tend to have more nooks and crannies than wood lathes so are a little harder to get really clean.? That's the only caveat I have. Also, it's best to not have the machine to oily.? Wipe it off well first.? This helps keep the wood dust from sticking. The below photos are not of a Unimat, but of one of the Chinese torture machines - er - I mean mini-lathes.? A hub for a 1/10 scale stagecoach model, and one of the rings cut into 90 degree segments to be part of trim for curved corners of a woodworking project. That sawdust on the top of the cross slide and elsewhere would have probably caused rust in a matter of hours of not cleaned off.? There is already some staining from some prior corrosion on that surface, but not from wood.? Sort of inexplicably. Same with the sawdust piling up everywhere in this photo. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 06:09:16 AM PDT, Nate Crouch <ncrouchdesign@...> wrote:
Hi John, ? ?? Nice work, a handle? ? ? I totally get your sentiment with the "wood" thing.? But it brings to mind the question I've long had about the source of the stigma? I have my opinions, but I would love to hear from others. It is harder to quantify that's for sure.? On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 8:35?AM Lawrence Miller via <larrymiller2728=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Turning Wood
There is nothing inherently wrong with using a metal lathe to turn wood.? And, interestingly, the Unimat even has an accessory or two related to cutting wood. HOWEVER, wood chips and dust contain moisture that metal chips do not.? If not well cleaned after use, this can lead, sometimes quickly, to rust or corrosion of bare metal machine parts. Metal lathes tend to have more nooks and crannies than wood lathes so are a little harder to get really clean.? That's the only caveat I have. Also, it's best to not have the machine to oily.? Wipe it off well first.? This helps keep the wood dust from sticking. The below photos are not of a Unimat, but of one of the Chinese torture machines - er - I mean mini-lathes.? A hub for a 1/10 scale stagecoach model, and one of the rings cut into 90 degree segments to be part of trim for curved corners of a woodworking project. That sawdust on the top of the cross slide and elsewhere would have probably caused rust in a matter of hours of not cleaned off.? There is already some staining from some prior corrosion on that surface, but not from wood.? Sort of inexplicably. Same with the sawdust piling up everywhere in this photo. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 06:09:16 AM PDT, Nate Crouch <ncrouchdesign@...> wrote:
Hi John, ? ?? Nice work, a handle? ? ? I totally get your sentiment with the "wood" thing.? But it brings to mind the question I've long had about the source of the stigma? I have my opinions, but I would love to hear from others. It is harder to quantify that's for sure.? On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 8:35?AM Lawrence Miller via <larrymiller2728=[email protected]> wrote:
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