Re: Question for you guys that are tech savvy
I got belts from Doug Feistamel at his site at
At the bottom of his home page, he describes his belts in detail saying they are polyurethane.? They happen to be orange, but it should be noted that the "industry standard" for O-Ring colors is not a hard and fast rule.? And the ones from Unimat-Vintage-Lathe don't seem to be a standard O-Ring anyway but a purpose designed belt that happens to look just like an O-Ring.
I consider these to be top quality belts.
I used to design instrumentation for deep ocean applications and used many O-Rings for sealing purposes.? There are many materials and "durometers" (hardness) and there are plenty that would not be suitable for a Unimat drive belt.? So, if you just buy some O-Ring, it might or might not be suitable.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 08:21:10 AM PDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
Ok, I am on a learning curve right now. It looks like the color is important, the industry uses the color of the O ring as a code to tell what it is made of. I got lucky years ago when I ordered the white ones. Here is a link to what the colors mean.
And here is data on the white ones that I have
If you do a web search of -334 or -339 Oring 70 Duro White FDA NBR you will find many sources for them. Here is a data link for the black ones
Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:24:49 AM EDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes. ?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
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The FDA certification will make them more expensive, but at $3.68 for 20 of them, I doubt it's all that significant! I identify as a cheap bastrich, but even I won't worry about that! ;)
Bill in OKC
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On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:42:58 AM CDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
From the package labels, I think that the 70 Duro is the measure of hardness on the shore scale, White is the color, FDA is FDA approved, NBR is the compound - Buna- Nitrile. All I know is they were cheap and have worked for a long time for me.? ?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 11:29:30 AM EDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
If the o-ring is made of buna-n that it is buna-n. The color does not change the chemistry.?
Maybe color coding O-rings would help avoid something as erroneous as placing an EP O-ring where a nitrile O-ring ought to be. The industry's answer to this was to designate black for nitrile, brown for fluorocarbon, red for Neoprene, rust for
Silicone, blue for fluorosilicone, and purple for EP.
The FDA designation means that it can be used in manufacturing places where food or drugs are processed because the Buna-n material is safe and does not leach any chemicals.
Andrei?
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Ok, I am on a learning curve right now. It looks like the color is important, the industry uses the color of the O ring as a code to tell what it is made of. I got lucky years ago when I ordered the white ones. Here is a link
to what the colors mean.
And here is data on the white ones that I have
If you do a web search of -334 or -339 Oring 70 Duro White FDA NBR you will find many sources for them.
Here is a data link for the black ones
Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:24:49 AM EDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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From the package labels, I think that the 70 Duro is the measure of hardness on the shore scale, White is the color, FDA is FDA approved, NBR is the compound - Buna- Nitrile. All I know is they were cheap and have worked for a long time for me.? ?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 11:29:30 AM EDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
If the o-ring is made of buna-n that it is buna-n. The color does not change the chemistry.?
Maybe color coding O-rings would help avoid something as erroneous as placing an EP O-ring where a nitrile O-ring ought to be. The industry's answer to this was to designate black for nitrile, brown for fluorocarbon, red for Neoprene, rust for
Silicone, blue for fluorosilicone, and purple for EP.
The FDA designation means that it can be used in manufacturing places where food or drugs are processed because the Buna-n material is safe and does not leach any chemicals.
Andrei?
Get
Ok, I am on a learning curve right now. It looks like the color is important, the industry uses the color of the O ring as a code to tell what it is made of. I got lucky years ago when I ordered the white ones. Here is a link
to what the colors mean.
And here is data on the white ones that I have
If you do a web search of -334 or -339 Oring 70 Duro White FDA NBR you will find many sources for them.
Here is a data link for the black ones
Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:24:49 AM EDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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If the o-ring is made of buna-n that it is buna-n. The color does not change the chemistry.?
Maybe color coding O-rings would help avoid something as erroneous as placing an EP O-ring where a nitrile O-ring ought to be. The industry's answer to this was to designate black for nitrile, brown for fluorocarbon, red for Neoprene, rust for
Silicone, blue for fluorosilicone, and purple for EP.
The FDA designation means that it can be used in manufacturing places where food or drugs are processed because the Buna-n material is safe and does not leach any chemicals.
Andrei?
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Ok, I am on a learning curve right now. It looks like the color is important, the industry uses the color of the O ring as a code to tell what it is made of. I got lucky years ago when I ordered the white ones. Here is a link
to what the colors mean.
And here is data on the white ones that I have
If you do a web search of -334 or -339 Oring 70 Duro White FDA NBR you will find many sources for them.
Here is a data link for the black ones
Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:24:49 AM EDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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Re: Question for you guys that are tech savvy
Ok, I am on a learning curve right now. It looks like the color is important, the industry uses the color of the O ring as a code to tell what it is made of. I got lucky years ago when I ordered the white ones. Here is a link to what the colors mean.
And here is data on the white ones that I have
If you do a web search of -334 or -339 Oring 70 Duro White FDA NBR you will find many sources for them. Here is a data link for the black ones
Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:24:49 AM EDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes. ?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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Re: Question for you guys that are tech savvy
Guys, there is no, none, nada, zero difference between white, red, black buna-n o-rings.?
Just buy what you find when you need it.?
The color is just decorative.
Andrei
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I inclosed a O ring Standard chart that you can down load. I checked the Jet Gasket company's web site and I am not seeing the white O rings, they do still sell the black ones and they are $3.68 for 20 of them.
Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:54:51 AM EDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
I found two of the packages, one is " -339? Oring 70 DURO WHITE FDA NBR" and the other is " -334 ORING 70 DURO WHITE FDA NBR". These are a standard size 3/16" cross section O rings. The company name on the packages packages that I have is Jet
Gasket & Seal. I got white at the time, they also come in black and red. The important data is the size -334 and -339 , and Duro 70. I got two packages of 5 and I am still using the original one.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:30:02 AM EDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
Boatloads of o-rings here. I buy small ones to hold my cadence sensor on the left pedal crank on my bike.?
Measure with a string around your pulling and buy the nearest size down.
Andrei
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I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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I inclosed a O ring Standard chart that you can down load. I checked the Jet Gasket company's web site and I am not seeing the white O rings, they do still sell the black ones and they are $3.68 for 20 of them.
Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:54:51 AM EDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
I found two of the packages, one is " -339? Oring 70 DURO WHITE FDA NBR" and the other is " -334 ORING 70 DURO WHITE FDA NBR". These are a standard size 3/16" cross section O rings. The company name on the packages packages that I have is Jet Gasket & Seal. I got white at the time, they also come in black and red. The important data is the size -334 and -339 , and Duro 70. I got two packages of 5 and I am still using the original one. ?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:30:02 AM EDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
Boatloads of o-rings here. I buy small ones to hold my cadence sensor on the left pedal crank on my bike.?
Measure with a string around your pulling and buy the nearest size down.
Andrei
Get
I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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I found two of the packages, one is " -339? Oring 70 DURO WHITE FDA NBR" and the other is " -334 ORING 70 DURO WHITE FDA NBR". These are a standard size 3/16" cross section O rings. The company name on the packages packages that I have is Jet Gasket & Seal. I got white at the time, they also come in black and red. The important data is the size -334 and -339 , and Duro 70. I got two packages of 5 and I am still using the original one. ?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:30:02 AM EDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
Boatloads of o-rings here. I buy small ones to hold my cadence sensor on the left pedal crank on my bike.?
Measure with a string around your pulling and buy the nearest size down.
Andrei
Get
I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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It is pulley, not pulling.?
God, I hate the autocorrect function.?
Andrei?
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Boatloads of o-rings here. I buy small ones to hold my cadence sensor on the left pedal crank on my bike.?
Measure with a string around your pulling and buy the nearest size down.
Andrei
Get
I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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Boatloads of o-rings here. I buy small ones to hold my cadence sensor on the left pedal crank on my bike.?
Measure with a string around your pulling and buy the nearest size down.
Andrei
Get
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I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes.
?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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I got them on Ebay a few years ago, they are? a standard size O ring. I will check my notes to see if I wrote down the O ring sizes. ?Jeff
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 09:23:12 AM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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Hello Jeff,
Where do you purchase your white buna belts?
Dick
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I have been running the 24vdc for years without any problems. I also switched years ago to white Buna O rings for drive belts. Cheap and I like the fact that if they need to, they can slip and save the unimat or tooling. But as of today I have not had any belt slippage using them. ?Jeff
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 04:15:47 PM EDT, OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:
Aaron,
The problems with the original Unimat universal motor are the facts that the motor runs at one speed and tends to want to race and they tend to run hot.
The 24 volt dc motor on the other hand is much more controllable, does not tend to race, get hot or need to rest to cool off.
Dick
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Aaron,
The problems with the original Unimat universal motor are the facts that the motor runs at one speed and tends to want to race and they tend to run hot.
The 24 volt dc motor on the other hand is much more controllable, does not tend to race, get hot or need to rest to cool off.
Dick
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It seems like a motor that size defeats the point of a little lathe like a Unimat, being bigger than the lathe itself. I don't care for the size of the motor on my Taig, and am considering smaller alternatives.?
On a Unimat I'd think a small 1/12-1/15hp universal motor as you often find with watchmakers lathes would be a good choice. You can often find them for around $50 and they are suited to using a speed controller, like the HF one mentioned.?
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My motor was playing up on my Unimat, so I fitted a 12v motor I had laying around that fit straight onto the bracket to get the lathe working again.
I then got a 12V 150w MY6812 scooter motor. All I had to do was add a hole on the front plate for an M5 nut and it fit onto the existing bracket.
A simple speed PWM controller was added and now I have a nice quiet Unimat. I 3D printed the pulley as I didn't want to modify the existing one.
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I too have setup to use a 24v motor with power supply and speed controller, I turned a new end plate for the motor to fit it to the motor bracket and I also made a new 3 step pulley to fit on the larger shaft size it's all still in the making at the moment but it is looking good so far. The motor was a NOS from a friend I had to replace the screws as when fitting the new end plate they came up short, and not been able to find out the rpm of the motor yet but will do soon. Another small problem I have is the shaft is 11mm so when bored out of the pulley it does not leave much to lock onto the pin going through the motor shaft have to find another way to do it. The controller I found on Amazon built it into a box and works well but it does not give out rpm only %. Phill    ?
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I am using a 24v DC scooter motor with a power supply and speed controller on my DB200 lathe. Unbelievably quiet and smooth running.
Actually, I have two of these. The second motor is used on my vertical milling setup. If I recall correctly I paid about 25$ each for the motors on EBay a couple of years ago.
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Re: tailstock end of Unimat alloy bed...
You can see them on the German ebay. They aren¡¯t that much longer. I¡¯m making a set of 36¡± specifically for tapering walking stick blanks for wood carving. Didn¡¯t seem to make much sense to me to buy an inexpensive Chinese wood lathe that looks just as flimsy as the Unimat.
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:12 PM, budda648@... wrote: ?I am considering fashioning a set of extended way bars from 12mm linear rod, specifically to allow myself just a little bit of additional room for drill and tap operations. The $30 in stock from McMaster should do until I have space for a larger lathe. I have heard of the extended way bars for woodworking but have never seen them appear on eBay for sale.
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Re: tailstock end of Unimat alloy bed...
Having done a set of standard way bars out of 12mm linear guide rod, I can say it's doable. Ordered 600mm of 12mm linear guide rod and a chopped bed and have determined that they're a little short for the spare bed chunk I bought, but I'd I radius the cut end of the bed to match the corner radii on the original bed, it should be about right.?
Keep getting delayed in getting some of the other work that needs done before I can play, so it's not done yet.
Though the 300mm of 12mm linear guide rod was several inches longer than the stock bed, and might have sufficed. Photos are in the photos section under downloaded photos.?
Bill in OKC?
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On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 03:12:23 PM CDT, <budda648@...> wrote:
I am considering fashioning a set of extended way bars from 12mm linear rod, specifically to allow myself just a little bit of additional room for drill and tap operations. The $30 in stock from McMaster should do until I have space for a larger lathe. I have heard of the extended way bars for woodworking but have never seen them appear on eBay for sale.
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Bill in OKC too
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