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Re: Unimat PC motor

Bill Williams
 

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??? ??? Keith, I share your frustration in trying to get data on the R/C model motors. They seem to operate in some non SI universe. Should you succeed in ferreting out the specs please share it.? Baffled Bill in Boulder!

On 3/1/20 11:39 AM, Keith S. Angus via Groups.Io wrote:

I intend to replace the motor on mine soon. I searched for a long time before I came to the conclusion you can't get a more powerful motor that fits in the hole for the original one, unless you go to RC model motors. They claim phenomenal power in a small space, but don't last long. However, in this application they would run well below rated power, so they might last a bit longer. I have never been able to get enough information on a possible motor and a driver all together to know what to buy. It's a bit frustrating as the RC crowd work in strange units, of LIPO cells and Kv figures. Some proper data on power, current, torque and voltage would be useful, preferably with some performance curves.



Re: Unimat PC motor

 

Hi Keith
Thanks for the reply.
What is the actual size is the motor that comes with the Unimat PC.
I was thinking of putting a 24v DC motor is as they are very popular, but if they are too big it's a no-go.


Re: Unimat PC motor

 

yes its a unimat 3, i have had it from new back in the 1970's its been loved and used then sat for years and is now back being loved and used.

------ Original Message ------
Sent: 01/03/2020 18:56:13
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Unimat PC motor

Hi Peter.
Thanks for the photos.
It looks a nice setup. Is that a Unimat 3?


Re: Unimat PC motor

 

Hi Peter.
Thanks for the photos.
It looks a nice setup. Is that a Unimat 3?


Re: Unimat PC motor

 

I intend to replace the motor on mine soon. I searched for a long time before I came to the conclusion you can't get a more powerful motor that fits in the hole for the original one, unless you go to RC model motors. They claim phenomenal power in a small space, but don't last long. However, in this application they would run well below rated power, so they might last a bit longer. I have never been able to get enough information on a possible motor and a driver all together to know what to buy. It's a bit frustrating as the RC crowd work in strange units, of LIPO cells and Kv figures. Some proper data on power, current, torque and voltage would be useful, preferably with some performance curves.

I have got a powerful brushless DC motor and driver that should eat the job, but it will need to be fitted outside the casing, roughly where the power supply is at the moment. That will mean redoing the belts. I will make pulleys for plain belts, as the toothed belts are so noisy. I'm also looking to see if I can devise a proper back gear for low speeds. I used to work with a mill that had it built into the final pulley, but that was a bit bigger than the Basic lathe. The motor runs up to 12000 revs, so I would gear it for that as the maximum speed. Allow for a 2:1 range on the speed control and have a second pulley for half speed, maybe another one after that, then back gear for really low revs. Then the aim is to put modern NC onto it.

It might take a bit of doing - it might never get done!


Keith


Re: Unimat PC motor

 

no the motor i had was just fixed to the base board i have on the lathe, and then i joined a polyethelene belt to the right length.

------ Original Message ------
Sent: 01/03/2020 16:23:04
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Unimat PC motor

Thanks Peter.
Did the mod need any special machining to mount the motor any further away?
I don't suppose you have any photos do you?


Re: Unimat PC motor

 

Thanks Peter.
Did the mod need any special machining to mount the motor any further away?
I don't suppose you have any photos do you?


Re: Unimat PC motor

 

no great hassle to change out, you just need the 24V motor and a power supply, i added a speed controller too, then its just mount the motor (i mounted mine further away which gives me more room around the lathe) and make up a new belt to length.

------ Original Message ------
Sent: 01/03/2020 14:58:41
Subject: [Unimat] Unimat PC motor

Hi All

I have a unimat SL that works fine but is just a bit too small.

I was thinking about the Unimat PC but the motors are under-powered.

Is it a big job to change the motor for a 24v DC, has anybody done it?

Thanks


Unimat PC motor

 

Hi All

I have a unimat SL that works fine but is just a bit too small.

I was thinking about the Unimat PC but the motors are under-powered.

Is it a big job to change the motor for a 24v DC, has anybody done it?

Thanks


Unimat on TV show

 

Watched the TV show Grimm on NBC for several years and just rewatched Season 1, episode 1 on Netflix. ?Note that the clockmaker has a green Unimat on his workbench in the background.


Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

My experience with the main longitudinal leadscrew is, A) it is very mild steel, easily bent, B) being a tiny bit out of true does not affect operation, and C) I have successfully hand straightened, until, by trial and error, "good enough is good enough".

C) certainly applies if the shipping charge is twice the cost of the part!

Martin P.



Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

It'll cost me $56 for shipping of the $25 part


Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

To pin down the bend, you need to turn it and dial indicate.? You can only tell so much with a visual inspection and a flat plate or straightedge.? And even when you find the exact bend, you may not be able to perfectly correct it.? Let's say I put the screw between 2 v-blocks on a milling machine table and press down a thousandth or two at a time.? Can it be made perfect?? You will likely always have a funny spot as you turn the screw to move the carriage, but it should not affect accuracy.? Again, why not just spend $25 and get on with enjoying your Unimat?


On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 6:50 AM Toot <kallumjones@...> wrote:
Thanks Jerry,

Good point on the reversed thread didn't even cross my mind. I've given it a clean and re-grease. It's running much smoother but it does appear to have a bit of a bend in it when I wind the screw. I did hold it up against a straight edge to look for any bends but didn't notice anything so it's a little hard to pin down where the bend in the screw is


Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

Per Lathe City specs: Lead screw M8-1.0 left hand.
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But it might be easier and cheaper to just buy a new lead screw.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Unimat-DB-SL-Mini-Lathe-Lead-Screw-Ref-DB201-5/133336735349?hash=item1f0b7d1e75:g:8kIAAOSwfzJeSnQb

http://www.tomstoolstore.com/unimat-leadscrew-key-no-4/


Re: Will this handle slitting saws and gear cutters?

 

THat is indeed the slitting saw/table saw arbor.? Match the bore of your blades to your arbor.? If you need to make an arbor patterned after the one pictured adjusting to fit gear cutters , slitting saws etc.


Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

?I like to cut to nuts in half. Two section go under the threaded rod and a third goes on top where you are applying pressure. This will stop you from deforming the threads.
?Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl <carl.blum@...>
To: Unimat <[email protected]>; aescinga.pgen <aescinga.pgen@...>
Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

Hi:
To straighten a shaft, roll it on a flat surface. You will know if it bumps. Then if you have an arbor press, put the shaft between two V blocks with hump high in the center. Press it gently down. At work we would put an indicator on the press. We would press just a bit more each time until the shaft was straight.
Carl.
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"Peter ashby via Groups.Io" <aescinga.pgen@...> wrote:

I cant remember the thread size but it is a 1mm pitch left hand thread

------ Original Message ------
From: "Dave W" <fahrwud@...>
Sent: 29/02/2020 14:56:39
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

The thread size doesn¡¯t spring to mind, but there may be a suitable thread file available. Just an example here:?http://thetoolshop.shoprw.com/Thread-File---Metric-P-19471.html

Dave W


Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

Why fool around with this when you can buy a new lead screw from Tom's Tool Store for $25?? Keep the old damaged one as a spare.? Regarding straightening, the most accurate way that I have found is to the hold it in a bigger lathe, turn by hand and use an indicator, then move an inch or two, indicate again, etc.? If you want to try the glass plate method, mark the screw so you can turn 90 deg at a time, and keep sliding .002 shim under it to test.? For clearing a section of thread, take a tool bit used for screw thread cutting, and scrape through the affected threads by hand with magnifying glass.


Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

Hi:
To straighten a shaft, roll it on a flat surface. You will know if it bumps. Then if you have an arbor press, put the shaft between two V blocks with hump high in the center. Press it gently down. At work we would put an indicator on the press. We would press just a bit more each time until the shaft was straight.
Carl.
Sent from my NOOK

"Peter ashby via Groups.Io" <aescinga.pgen@...> wrote:

I cant remember the thread size but it is a 1mm pitch left hand thread

------ Original Message ------
From: "Dave W" <fahrwud@...>
Sent: 29/02/2020 14:56:39
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

The thread size doesn¡¯t spring to mind, but there may be a suitable thread file available. Just an example here:?

Dave W


Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

Hi:
You could try a thread file. They don't care if the thread is left or right handed. You just need one with a 1mm pitch, the files I have, have 8 different pitches on them. 25 TPI might work OK.
Carl.


Sent from my NOOK


Re: Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

 

I cant remember the thread size but it is a 1mm pitch left hand thread

------ Original Message ------
From: "Dave W" <fahrwud@...>
Sent: 29/02/2020 14:56:39
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Unimat SL lead screw not looking right

The thread size doesn¡¯t spring to mind, but there may be a suitable thread file available. Just an example here:?

Dave W