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Re: Why Unimat?
I am a retired machinist/mechanical engineer specialized in mechanical power transmission as in ?speed reducers (gearboxes). I learned about Unimat many decades ago when we were building huge format inkjet printers for the Billboard printing industry. This was prior to digital printing. We used the Unimats to make final tweaks and adjustments to the Jets in the print heads. Since then I have frequently seen a Unimat in engineering labs and prototype labs. Now that I am retired I have taken my mechanical skills and started a Clockworks business repairing antique clocks. I rebuilt a Unimat SL specifically to be geared towards manufacturing bushings to repair old clocks. Its versatility also makes it ?a great piece of equipment for repairing pinions and inserting pinion wires. From the Unimat¡¯s versatility perspective it is probably better for this job than a watchmaker¡¯s lathe.? |
Compound slide with detachable Toolpost
Does anyone know of options for a compound slide for unimat 3 (or PC), that allows attachment of separate tool post?
Or is this not possible due to the limited height range of unimat?? I have the emco compound slide accessory but it doesn't have a detachable tool post? Appreciate any ideas!? Thanks,? JP |
Re: Why Unimat?
I have been a lifelong Tool and Die maker and the Unimat is the most universal small machine tool I have ever owned. I have used it in many configurations together with my 7x16 minilathe. I can mount the Unimat headstock onto my minilathe and use it as a horizontal boring mill. Occasionally I mount the Unimat on the minilathe cross slide.
¡°Versatility Versatility Versatility¡± Dick |
Re: Why Unimat?
More like 2" more, Chuck, except for the older 7x10, which is closer to 7x8 with the stock 3-jaw chuck installed, and the older style of tailstock. Center to center, they're? closer to 10" for 7x10, and nearly 14" for the 7x12's with the newer offset tailstock. LMS has a sale on the 16" bed upgrade right now, for $199.99, IIRC. Micromark and LMS also have 16" mini-lathes, but I don't have any experience with them. Drooled over the upgrade bed for years with my newer style 7x10. Then I wound up with a 10x24, 10x30, and 12x20 lathes, and the extension bed wasn't looking too good at over $250 for a while, and the Micromark only about $1100 for a bit. I got a good deal for mine, and took it because I have larger machines, too.? Bill in OKC? William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better. Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first. IIRC.?
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 11:45:16 PM CDT, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
The Sieg "Baby Lathe" is their C0 model.? I didn't even put it on my list because I feel it is a terrible value.? It is their bottom of the line lathe - and I do mean bottom.? I feel the same about the somewhat larger C1 "Micro Lathe".? For the Chinese lathes, I think the 7xWhatever (Sieg C2 or the similar Real Bull lathes) are the "sweet spot" for smallish Chinese lathes. As an example of "value", I looked around a bit and found a place selling both a C2 and C0.? The C2 was $775 and the C0 was $545.? I think $545 is money not well spent on the very, very minimal C0 when the C2 provides vastly more for not much more money.? I couldn't easily find a price for a C1 Micro Lathe, but it would fall between the two. I would certainly recommend an old Unimat over either the C0 or C1.? But not necessarily over the C2. And if planning to get a C2, there are a myriad of configurations as well as what accessories might be included.? An important one is bed length.? I advocate the longer the better (even though it usually costs more).? Many who are new to machining don't realize, at first, how fast space gets used up by a chuck, work piece in the chuck, drill chuck in the tailstock, and drill in the drill chuck.? (Hint:? It is also nice to be able to slide a tail stock you are not using as far out of the way as possible.)? And there are two tailstock types.? One is sort of T shaped and the other is offset.? The offset style squeezes out a little more space between centers.? And speaking of the, "mini-lathe" lengths aren't really in terms of distance between centers like it is done in the rest of the universe.? They have some marketing hype and most will be about 2 inches less "between centers" than the length claimed. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 09:00:12 PM PDT, Aaron Woods <awoods550@...> wrote:
Thank you for the replies, I completely understand the vintage angle, the Taig and Sherline are among very few tools in my shop made after Y2K. Regarding size, the foot print of a Unimat is only about 2/3 that of the short bed Sherline, and the ability to convert to a mill highlights the small size even more. Of course size is a two sided issue, nice and compact is a plus when space is tight, and leads to cursing when you just need 1/2" more capacity. I think Proxxon is the only company that offers a lathe in the foot print of the Unimat SL. Charles you are spot on in my thinking. If it were as simple as getting online and ordering a Unimat, I would have far less concern recommending one. Then it is simply a matter of look at what is available, compare budget, needs, etc and buy the one that works for you. It is the used nature that raises the issue. It does seem like collectability of the Unimat contributes as much to the asking prices as quality / utility of the lathes. Of course deals turn up, but prices seem to run $300-1200 depending on condition and tooling. At the upper end there are many options for other machines, so you kind of need to really need or want specifically what Unimat offers.? I do find it interesting that so few seem to recommend the very small Sieg "baby" lathes like the Grizzly G0745 which appears to be a near clone of the Unimat 3 at a price new you would be lucky to find a real Unimat for. I appreciate the responses understanding that I'm just looking for the what makes Unimat special, rather than being any kind of knock on them.? ?? |
Re: Why Unimat?
The Sieg "Baby Lathe" is their C0 model.? I didn't even put it on my list because I feel it is a terrible value.? It is their bottom of the line lathe - and I do mean bottom.? I feel the same about the somewhat larger C1 "Micro Lathe".? For the Chinese lathes, I think the 7xWhatever (Sieg C2 or the similar Real Bull lathes) are the "sweet spot" for smallish Chinese lathes. As an example of "value", I looked around a bit and found a place selling both a C2 and C0.? The C2 was $775 and the C0 was $545.? I think $545 is money not well spent on the very, very minimal C0 when the C2 provides vastly more for not much more money.? I couldn't easily find a price for a C1 Micro Lathe, but it would fall between the two. I would certainly recommend an old Unimat over either the C0 or C1.? But not necessarily over the C2. And if planning to get a C2, there are a myriad of configurations as well as what accessories might be included.? An important one is bed length.? I advocate the longer the better (even though it usually costs more).? Many who are new to machining don't realize, at first, how fast space gets used up by a chuck, work piece in the chuck, drill chuck in the tailstock, and drill in the drill chuck.? (Hint:? It is also nice to be able to slide a tail stock you are not using as far out of the way as possible.)? And there are two tailstock types.? One is sort of T shaped and the other is offset.? The offset style squeezes out a little more space between centers.? And speaking of the, "mini-lathe" lengths aren't really in terms of distance between centers like it is done in the rest of the universe.? They have some marketing hype and most will be about 2 inches less "between centers" than the length claimed. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 09:00:12 PM PDT, Aaron Woods <awoods550@...> wrote:
Thank you for the replies, I completely understand the vintage angle, the Taig and Sherline are among very few tools in my shop made after Y2K. Regarding size, the foot print of a Unimat is only about 2/3 that of the short bed Sherline, and the ability to convert to a mill highlights the small size even more. Of course size is a two sided issue, nice and compact is a plus when space is tight, and leads to cursing when you just need 1/2" more capacity. I think Proxxon is the only company that offers a lathe in the foot print of the Unimat SL. Charles you are spot on in my thinking. If it were as simple as getting online and ordering a Unimat, I would have far less concern recommending one. Then it is simply a matter of look at what is available, compare budget, needs, etc and buy the one that works for you. It is the used nature that raises the issue. It does seem like collectability of the Unimat contributes as much to the asking prices as quality / utility of the lathes. Of course deals turn up, but prices seem to run $300-1200 depending on condition and tooling. At the upper end there are many options for other machines, so you kind of need to really need or want specifically what Unimat offers.? I do find it interesting that so few seem to recommend the very small Sieg "baby" lathes like the Grizzly G0745 which appears to be a near clone of the Unimat 3 at a price new you would be lucky to find a real Unimat for. I appreciate the responses understanding that I'm just looking for the what makes Unimat special, rather than being any kind of knock on them.? ?? |
Re: Why Unimat?
Thank you for the replies, I completely understand the vintage angle, the Taig and Sherline are among very few tools in my shop made after Y2K. Regarding size, the foot print of a Unimat is only about 2/3 that of the short bed Sherline, and the ability to convert to a mill highlights the small size even more. Of course size is a two sided issue, nice and compact is a plus when space is tight, and leads to cursing when you just need 1/2" more capacity. I think Proxxon is the only company that offers a lathe in the foot print of the Unimat SL.
Charles you are spot on in my thinking. If it were as simple as getting online and ordering a Unimat, I would have far less concern recommending one. Then it is simply a matter of look at what is available, compare budget, needs, etc and buy the one that works for you. It is the used nature that raises the issue. It does seem like collectability of the Unimat contributes as much to the asking prices as quality / utility of the lathes. Of course deals turn up, but prices seem to run $300-1200 depending on condition and tooling. At the upper end there are many options for other machines, so you kind of need to really need or want specifically what Unimat offers.? I do find it interesting that so few seem to recommend the very small Sieg "baby" lathes like the Grizzly G0745 which appears to be a near clone of the Unimat 3 at a price new you would be lucky to find a real Unimat for. I appreciate the responses understanding that I'm just looking for the what makes Unimat special, rather than being any kind of knock on them.? ?? |
Re: Why Unimat?
I just had to use one of mine to make four 1/4" brass spacers to fit over 6-32 screws. perfect size for that.
?Jeff -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Seiter <d.seiter@...> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Apr 12, 2023 9:21 pm Subject: Re: [Unimat] Why Unimat? One other note- Other than the U100 motor, they have zero plastic- I love that!?
-Dave
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 07:59:30 AM PDT, Aaron Woods <awoods550@...> wrote:
I don't have a Unimat. I'd like one but I already have several small lathes so getting one is simply a want rather than a need.
I became interested in a lathe for model work, and ended up buying a Sherline, since they could be bought new and have a good reputation.? The topic of small lathes often comes up in modeling circles. I can do a decent comparison between Taig, Sherline and Atlas / Craftsman 6" since I have used them, but have never been hands on with a Unimat. For somebody in the market for a small lathe, what would you say the major perks of a Unimat are?? Obviously size goes for the SL/SB if someone wants very compact and the various attachments can make it a handy if expensive many in one tool. With the prices Unimats can ask, I begin to wonder if they are still a good suggestion for a beginner. You can get a new Taig or Sherline for about the same money as the average asking price of a Unimat. As I don't have experience with Unimat that is a question I can't answer. |
Re: Why Unimat?
One other note- Other than the U100 motor, they have zero plastic- I love that!? -Dave
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 07:59:30 AM PDT, Aaron Woods <awoods550@...> wrote:
I don't have a Unimat. I'd like one but I already have several small lathes so getting one is simply a want rather than a need. I became interested in a lathe for model work, and ended up buying a Sherline, since they could be bought new and have a good reputation.? The topic of small lathes often comes up in modeling circles. I can do a decent comparison between Taig, Sherline and Atlas / Craftsman 6" since I have used them, but have never been hands on with a Unimat. For somebody in the market for a small lathe, what would you say the major perks of a Unimat are?? Obviously size goes for the SL/SB if someone wants very compact and the various attachments can make it a handy if expensive many in one tool. With the prices Unimats can ask, I begin to wonder if they are still a good suggestion for a beginner. You can get a new Taig or Sherline for about the same money as the average asking price of a Unimat. As I don't have experience with Unimat that is a question I can't answer. |
Re: Why Unimat?
I grew up with my father's Unimat, and still have it, along with many accessories I've made over the years (like a steady rest and large milling table/vise).? My issue with it was it's small size; I was always pushing the envelope of what I could do with it, as my 3/8" endmill holder can attest to.? The poor little thing is still in great shape, which is a testament to its' quality.? I eventually got a Logan 825, and a longbed Clausing 11", which get 98% of the use these days.? That said, I always smile when I need to drag it out for a project.?? Aside: A few years ago, I missed two very cheap Schaublin 102 watchmakers' lathes by a few minutes, but ended up with lots of accessories for them that the buyer completely missed (he obviously wasn't a watchmaker or even a machinist, as they are worth more than the lathes!? I've been looking for another cheap but quality plain lathe I can use the accessories with ever since (I'm half Swiss, so it must be a Swiss lathe!) -Dave
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 07:59:30 AM PDT, Aaron Woods <awoods550@...> wrote:
I don't have a Unimat. I'd like one but I already have several small lathes so getting one is simply a want rather than a need. I became interested in a lathe for model work, and ended up buying a Sherline, since they could be bought new and have a good reputation.? The topic of small lathes often comes up in modeling circles. I can do a decent comparison between Taig, Sherline and Atlas / Craftsman 6" since I have used them, but have never been hands on with a Unimat. For somebody in the market for a small lathe, what would you say the major perks of a Unimat are?? Obviously size goes for the SL/SB if someone wants very compact and the various attachments can make it a handy if expensive many in one tool. With the prices Unimats can ask, I begin to wonder if they are still a good suggestion for a beginner. You can get a new Taig or Sherline for about the same money as the average asking price of a Unimat. As I don't have experience with Unimat that is a question I can't answer. |
Re: Why Unimat?
True that! Though it can be a heck of a supplement to a bigger workshop, too.? Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better. Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 03:55:59 PM CDT, Elliot Nesterman <elliot@...> wrote:
The other thing to remember is that the Unimat was not advertised as simply a lathe. It was the Unimat Micro Machine Shop. Its versatility was its strength. Now, if you have enough room to set up a hobby machine shop, room for a micro- or mini-lathe, table-top milling machine, small bench grinder, and a few other essentials, then the Unimat's versatility isn't needed. But if you only have room for only one machine at a time, then being able to relatively quickly turn it from a lathe to a mill to a grinder to a jigsaw/tablesaw, et al. will certainly recommend it to you. And because it is both a lathe and a mill out of the box, most of the various accessories can be made right on the Unimat. My 2?, Elliot Nesterman On 4/12/23 1:08 PM, Jkle379184 via groups.io wrote: Unimat is one of the few small lathes that you can take out of the box --
Elliot Nesterman elliot@... www.ajoure.net "The finest jewel cannot disguise a flawed character." |
Re: Why Unimat?
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simply a lathe. It was the Unimat Micro Machine Shop. Its versatility was its strength. Now, if you have enough room to set up a hobby machine shop, room for a micro- or mini-lathe, table-top milling machine, small bench grinder, and a few other essentials, then the Unimat's versatility isn't needed. But if you only have room for only one machine at a time, then being able to relatively quickly turn it from a lathe to a mill to a grinder to a jigsaw/tablesaw, et al. will certainly recommend it to you. And because it is both a lathe and a mill out of the box, most of the various accessories can be made right on the Unimat. My 2?, Elliot Nesterman On 4/12/23 1:08 PM, Jkle379184 via groups.io wrote: Unimat is one of the few small lathes that you can take out of the box --
Elliot Nesterman elliot@... www.ajoure.net "The finest jewel cannot disguise a flawed character." |
Re: Why Unimat?
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Elegance...the modern appear like stacked Legos.? On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 11:31 AM Bill in OKC too via <wmrmeyers=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Why Unimat?
I have a number of answers, based in several imperatives I've experienced over the past nearly 60 years. First off, back before Prepping was even a thing, my 2nd step-father was expecting Armageddon any minute now. That was 1965. He was training my little brother and I (10yo & 8.5yo) to be his own little private army. Our grandma was Mormon, and kept spare food for when times got tough, based on the teachings of her new church, (became a Mormon in 1955, the year I was born) and having been a newly-wed wife & mother during the Great Depression. We asked our SF why he wasn't storing food. He said we didn't have to, as the Mormons were storing it for us. We were being trained to take it from others, IOW. Knowing my grandpa and grandma, this just didn't seem like a really good idea. ;) We got knives, and bb guns, and training in how to use them. Also encouraged to play war games with our friends, and we watched Combat! and Sea Hunt with him on TV. With tips on how to do better, fighting. He was UDT in the navy. That was the base organization that later became Navy SEAL's. We noted that he wasn't reloading, wasn't practicing shooting firearms, and wasn't storing parts for them, either.? |
Re: Why Unimat?
Unimat is one of the few small lathes that you can take out of the box set up on the kitchen table, do decent work with . And then put it back in it's wooden brief case, and stow away under a bed or closet until the next time. It can handle watch, clock repair, small kits, steam engines and a host of other projects and still be carried under your arm. The 7x lathes are nice, but they are not that portable.
?Jeff -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Apr 12, 2023 12:16 pm Subject: Re: [Unimat] Why Unimat? That's an interesting question since it involves a desire for a "hobbyist" lathe, whatever the brand, but in the year 2023.
Long ago, the appeal of the Unimat was that it made a hobby lathe a possibility.? I don't there was very much, if any, competition for that size lathe and certainly not with its features.? There was the Adept lathe made in the UK and I know that at least some model railroad hobbyists had them.? (Adept seemed to phase out of the marketplace in the 1960's about when Unimat phased in.)? And then there was the Manson Lathe (later Master Lathe) marketed to hobbyists, but it was quite small and very limited in performance.? And any number of watchmaker style lathes.
So, when the Unimat came along with a lot of features at a pretty reasonable price it really filled a mostly open niche.? Especially since the basic machine could also do respectable milling and act as a drill press which seemed pretty unique at the time.
I think they did that with a fairly elegant design (even if it didn't have cast ways) where the "basic" machine would satisfy the needs of the majority of buyers at a reasonable price.? For the small percentage of people who needed more features, there was the vast array of accessories.? The accessories today being far more rare than the basic machine.? They were first marketed as "10 in 1" machines but you had to buy major accessories to get the count up to ten.? After a while they marketed it as a "6 in 1" with what the basic machine could do and eventually a "5 in 1" as they dropped the configuration of using the head as a hand power drill in their promotion.
But that was then, this is now.? You probably already have what would be my "today" choice for "hobby" sized machine with the Sherline.? Of course, you have to buy a separate lathe and mill if you want decent milling.? (Milling in a lathe with a milling attachment usually being rather limited in performance - but an option if only doing a little of it and only doing fairly light work.)
For just a "small" lathe, the Chinese 7xWhatever "mini-lathes" are hard to beat on price for they can do.? The thing is you might have to do a lot of work on the lathe depending on the quality of performance you want.? Some jokingly call them "kits".? But some are happy with them out of the box.? The primary advantage other than handling much larger work pieces than a Unimat or Sherline or Taig, while still having a pretty small footprint, is that they are a real "engine lathe" with built in power feed and thread cutting (with change gears).? So, it is more in a class with the 6 inch Atlas, I suppose.? But more compact.? Also, prices have been rising to buy a new 7xWhatever over the last few years, but still competitive.? I suggested to people a few years back to get them while the getting was good as it was likely prices would start going up a lot - and they have.
But for today, I don't see the Unimat as a best choice if you are looking for price versus performance.? If you are wanting a tool to use rather than to collect.? Too much of the price is because it is a collectors' item rather than for performance.? However, you can get a perfectly usable Unimat for a lot less than a new Sherline.? Unimats are actually typically less in "real dollars" compared to what they cost new.? In 1960 a basic Unimat was about $139 and that is $1400 in today's dollars.
For a new hobbyist lathe, I very much prefer the Sherline over the Taig.? And if desiring to get a "real" lathe where you don't need ham handed accessories to power feed or thread, then a Chinese 7xWhatever or a used 6 inch Atlas (or Craftsman) would top my list.
There are some other very respectable products such as the Prazi lathes, but they are quite expensive.? Or other alternatives for the Atlas 6 inch class lathe such as the Myford from the UK, but that's also expensive and much larger than a "hobbyist" size lathe.
On a more general note, I'm a believer in trying to get the machine you want even if you have to save up for it for a while.? It is no fun in the long run to get the machine you didn't want.? Also, for anyone who actually MAKES anything, there will likely be a lot of tooling also purchased.? Sometimes a lot of tooling.? And that costs about the same whether putting it on the lathe you really wanted versus the lathe you didn't want.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 07:59:30 AM PDT, Aaron Woods <awoods550@...> wrote:
I don't have a Unimat. I'd like one but I already have several small lathes so getting one is simply a want rather than a need.
I became interested in a lathe for model work, and ended up buying a Sherline, since they could be bought new and have a good reputation.? The topic of small lathes often comes up in modeling circles. I can do a decent comparison between Taig, Sherline and Atlas / Craftsman 6" since I have used them, but have never been hands on with a Unimat. For somebody in the market for a small lathe, what would you say the major perks of a Unimat are?? Obviously size goes for the SL/SB if someone wants very compact and the various attachments can make it a handy if expensive many in one tool. With the prices Unimats can ask, I begin to wonder if they are still a good suggestion for a beginner. You can get a new Taig or Sherline for about the same money as the average asking price of a Unimat. As I don't have experience with Unimat that is a question I can't answer. |
Re: Why Unimat?
That's an interesting question since it involves a desire for a "hobbyist" lathe, whatever the brand, but in the year 2023. Long ago, the appeal of the Unimat was that it made a hobby lathe a possibility.? I don't there was very much, if any, competition for that size lathe and certainly not with its features.? Therre was the Adept lathe made in the UK and I know that at least some model railroad hobbyists had them.? (Adept seemed to phase out of the marketplace in the 1960's about when Unimat phased in.)? And then there was the Manson Lathe (later Master Lathe) marketed to hobbyists, but it was quite small and very limited in performance.? And any number of watchmaker style lathes. So, when the Unimat came along with a lot of features at a pretty reasonable price it really filled a mostly open niche.? Especially since the basic machine could also do respectable milling and act as a drill press which seemed pretty unique at the time. I think they did that with a fairly elegant design (even if it didn't have cast ways) where the "basic" machine would satisfy the needs of the majority of buyers at a reasonable price.? For the small percentage of people who needed more features, there was the vast array of accessories.? The accessories today being far more rare than the basic machine.? They were first marketed as "10 in 1" machines but you had to buy major accessories to get the count up to ten.? After a while they marketed it as a "6 in 1" with what the basic machine could do and eventually a "5 in 1" as they dropped the configuration of using the head as a hand power drill in their promotion. But that was then, this is now.? You probably already have what would be my "today" choice for "hobby" sized machine with the Sherline.? Of course, you have to buy a separate lathe and mill if you want decent milling.? (Milling in a lathe with a milling attachment usually being rather limited in performance - but an option if only doing a little of it and only doing fairly light work.) For just a "small" lathe, the Chinese 7xWhatever "mini-lathes" are hard to beat on price for they can do.? The thing is you might have to do a lot of work on the lathe depending on the quality of performance you want.? Some jokingly call them "kits".? But some are happy with them out of the box.? The primary advantage other than handling much larger work pieces than a Unimat or Sherline or Taig, while still having a pretty small footprint, is that they are a real "engine lathe" with built in power feed and thread cutting (with change gears).? So, it is more in a class with the 6 inch Atlas, I suppose.? But more compact.? Also, prices have been rising to buy a new 7xWhatever over the last few years, but still competitive.? I suggested to people a few years back to get them while the getting was good as it was likely prices would start going up a lot - and they have. But for today, I don't see the Unimat as a best choice if you are looking for price versus performance.? If you are wanting a tool to use rather than to collect.? Too much of the price is because it is a collectors' item rather than for performance.? However, you can get a perfectly usable Unimat for a lot less than a new Sherline.? Unimats are actually typically less in "real dollars" compared to what they cost new.? In 1960 a basic Unimat was about $139 and that is $1400 in today's dollars. For a new hobbyist lathe, I very much prefer the Sherline over the Taig.? And if desiring to get a "real" lathe where you don't need ham handed accessories to power feed or thread, then a Chinese 7xWhatever or a used 6 inch Atlas (or Craftsman) would top my list. There are some other very respectable products such as the Prazi lathes, but they are quite expensive.? Or other alternatives for the Atlas 6 inch class lathe such as the Myford from the UK, but that's also expensive and much larger than a "hobbyist" size lathe. On a more general note, I'm a believer in trying to get the machine you want even if you have to save up for it for a while.? It is no fun in the long run to get the machine you didn't want.? Also, for anyone who actually MAKES anything, there will likely be a lot of tooling also purchased.? Sometimes a lot of tooling.? And that costs about the same whether putting it on the lathe you really wanted versus the lathe you didn't want. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 07:59:30 AM PDT, Aaron Woods <awoods550@...> wrote:
I don't have a Unimat. I'd like one but I already have several small lathes so getting one is simply a want rather than a need. I became interested in a lathe for model work, and ended up buying a Sherline, since they could be bought new and have a good reputation.? The topic of small lathes often comes up in modeling circles. I can do a decent comparison between Taig, Sherline and Atlas / Craftsman 6" since I have used them, but have never been hands on with a Unimat. For somebody in the market for a small lathe, what would you say the major perks of a Unimat are?? Obviously size goes for the SL/SB if someone wants very compact and the various attachments can make it a handy if expensive many in one tool. With the prices Unimats can ask, I begin to wonder if they are still a good suggestion for a beginner. You can get a new Taig or Sherline for about the same money as the average asking price of a Unimat. As I don't have experience with Unimat that is a question I can't answer. |
Re: Why Unimat?
Major perks are the size, portability. The multitude of add on and tasks that it can do. It truly is a all in one machines that you can use as needed or time allows and then put it away. I also have a long bed Atlas 10" and a antique Monarch 14" QC that I use.
?Jeff -----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Woods <awoods550@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Apr 12, 2023 10:59 am Subject: [Unimat] Why Unimat? I don't have a Unimat. I'd like one but I already have several small lathes so getting one is simply a want rather than a need.
I became interested in a lathe for model work, and ended up buying a Sherline, since they could be bought new and have a good reputation.? The topic of small lathes often comes up in modeling circles. I can do a decent comparison between Taig, Sherline and Atlas / Craftsman 6" since I have used them, but have never been hands on with a Unimat. For somebody in the market for a small lathe, what would you say the major perks of a Unimat are?? Obviously size goes for the SL/SB if someone wants very compact and the various attachments can make it a handy if expensive many in one tool. With the prices Unimats can ask, I begin to wonder if they are still a good suggestion for a beginner. You can get a new Taig or Sherline for about the same money as the average asking price of a Unimat. As I don't have experience with Unimat that is a question I can't answer. |
Re: Why Unimat?
I have a unimat 3, why a unimat, well I also have 2 smaller lathes a flexispeed and a watchmakers lathe, yet my preference is the unimat, somehow itd just sturdier and more precise than the smaller lathes, I have more accessories for the unimat too maybe, a collet chuck and live and dead centres for the tailstock, so yes, when it comes to making small stuff I default to the unimat, I certainly wouldnt go bigger (i have a 13" south bend for big stuff- if its too big for the unimat, then it goes in the southbend. I do use the other lathes sometimes, depends where I am, the flexispeed is at my electronics bench upstairs, the watchmakers at my modelling workbench, and the Unimat is in the workshop, so that sometimes dictates which lathe to use. for instance I used the flexispeed to create an 8BA eyebolt the other week (yes an approx 2mm thread eyebolt) (it was cold in the workshop)
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From "Aaron Woods" <awoods550@...>
Date 12/04/2023 15:59:25
Subject [Unimat] Why Unimat? I don't have a Unimat. I'd like one but I already have several small lathes so getting one is simply a want rather than a need. |
Re: Why Unimat?
This seems a perfect answer. I operate old ham radios I reload ammunition using old reloaders. The quality and craftsmanship of vintage machines gives me pride of ownership and use. John On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:05?AM Steve Johnson <steve@...> wrote: For me, I love old things, especially tools and machines. I smile whenever I look at my Unimat. Such a beautiful machine. And also because I only need it for super small parts, the tiny size is perfect. If I ever need to do larger parts, I would go for a Sherline.? |
Re: Why Unimat?
For me, I love old things, especially tools and machines. I smile whenever I look at my Unimat. Such a beautiful machine. And also because I only need it for super small parts, the tiny size is perfect. If I ever need to do larger parts, I would go for a Sherline.?
I think some people like them as collector pieces, buying all of the accessories - most of which I would never use (scroll saw, grinder, hand drill for example). I actually have two of them, one will be set up as a mill, the other a lathe. |
Why Unimat?
I don't have a Unimat. I'd like one but I already have several small lathes so getting one is simply a want rather than a need.
I became interested in a lathe for model work, and ended up buying a Sherline, since they could be bought new and have a good reputation.? The topic of small lathes often comes up in modeling circles. I can do a decent comparison between Taig, Sherline and Atlas / Craftsman 6" since I have used them, but have never been hands on with a Unimat. For somebody in the market for a small lathe, what would you say the major perks of a Unimat are?? Obviously size goes for the SL/SB if someone wants very compact and the various attachments can make it a handy if expensive many in one tool. With the prices Unimats can ask, I begin to wonder if they are still a good suggestion for a beginner. You can get a new Taig or Sherline for about the same money as the average asking price of a Unimat. As I don't have experience with Unimat that is a question I can't answer. |