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Rules Question - Chain of Command - JOP Placement

Mitch Abrams All Messages By This Member #200828 I have a two part question regarding Jump Off Points and their placement. There is a dispute between two players and I am the umpire of the campaign -? Question 1: Page 13 of the rules clearly states that if no cover is available the JOP must be placed on the table edge.? But a FAQ asked: Q: If a JOP must be placed at the table edge, is this just the player's friendly or starting edge, or is it any point where a Patrol Marker's zone touches an edge, so possibly a side edge? A: Anywhere the Patrol Marker's zone touches an edge and yes that does include a side edge. ?[Both are good w/ this] It is the next portion that is the issue. ?It goes on to say "Often being limited to a JOP on an edge can be a bad thing but a side edge will often present opportunities to flank an enemy and sacrificing the benefit of cover for a daring flank move can sometimes pay dividends. It is this last portion that is the problem. ?One person thinks this just presents an alternative way a appreciating that it is not all bad news if forced to put the JOP on the table edge. ?The other thinks this allows them to forego cover so they can choose to make a daring flank move. ? Question 2: ?How you handle individual trees in a Pint Size Campaign? ?One person says it is cover for a whole squad. Another says this is a single tree - not really there - just table atmosphere. ?Do you consider a tree to be cover for putting a JOP behind it? Sorry to trouble people with this but it is the last (game 9) game of the campaign that has run quite smoothly - although by the two questions asked, most would not think so. ?Also, the campaign is tied and whoever win the next game wins the campaign. ? Thanks in advance for any light you might shed on this so a successful conclusion to the campaign can be reached. Best, Mitch?
Penguin Koen All Messages By This Member #200829 My 2 cents: 1. It's just an appreciation, JoPs not on an edge must be in cover. Those on an edge don't have to be in cover. And yes, JoPs on a side edge can be quite good.? 2. A single tree is not cover, neither for a squad or a JoP. It is mainly decorative.? Cheers Koen Op ma 23 aug. 2021 05:55 schreef Mitch Abrams <mhabrams@...>: toggle quoted message Show quoted text I have a two part question regarding Jump Off Points and their placement. There is a dispute between two players and I am the umpire of the campaign -? Question 1: Page 13 of the rules clearly states that if no cover is available the JOP must be placed on the table edge.? But a FAQ asked: Q: If a JOP must be placed at the table edge, is this just the player's friendly or starting edge, or is it any point where a Patrol Marker's zone touches an edge, so possibly a side edge? A: Anywhere the Patrol Marker's zone touches an edge and yes that does include a side edge. ?[Both are good w/ this] It is the next portion that is the issue.? It goes on to say "Often being limited to a JOP on an edge can be a bad thing but a side edge will often present opportunities to flank an enemy and sacrificing the benefit of cover for a daring flank move can sometimes pay dividends. It is this last portion that is the problem.? One person thinks this just presents an alternative way a appreciating that it is not all bad news if forced to put the JOP on the table edge.? The other thinks this allows them to forego cover so they can choose to make a daring flank move. ? Question 2: ?How you handle individual trees in a Pint Size Campaign?? One person says it is cover for a whole squad. Another says this is a single tree - not really there - just table atmosphere.? Do you consider a tree to be cover for putting a JOP behind it? Sorry to trouble people with this but it is the last (game 9) game of the campaign that has run quite smoothly - although by the two questions asked, most would not think so.? Also, the campaign is tied and whoever win the next game wins the campaign. ? Thanks in advance for any light you might shed on this so a successful conclusion to the campaign can be reached. Best, Mitch?
Ralph Plowman All Messages By This Member #200830 The sacrificing of cover refers, I believe, to the fact that you are forced to place your JOP on the table edge due to a lack of it. It is not presenting a new rule whereby troops deploying from a JOP on the table edge can ignore cover. As for single trees; Ininderstand Chain of Command to use a figure to human scale of 1:1, so a single tree represents just that. A section using it as cover would have to adopt some kind of Hanna Barbera arrangement with heads peering out vertically along the trunk.
Doug Melville All Messages By This Member #200831 开云体育 Yep. What he said. Regards Doug Get toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ralph Plowman via groups.io <ralph.plowman@...> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:30:41 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Rules Question - Chain of Command - JOP Placement ? The sacrificing of cover refers, I believe, to the fact that you are forced to place your JOP on the table edge due to a lack of it. It is not presenting a new rule whereby troops deploying from a JOP on the table edge can ignore cover. As for single trees; Ininderstand Chain of Command to use a figure to human scale of 1:1, so a single tree represents just that. A section using it as cover would have to adopt some kind of Hanna Barbera arrangement with heads peering out vertically along the trunk.
James Catchpole All Messages By This Member #200832 On the first point, I don't believe the 'sacrificing the benefit of cover' in the FAQ means you can choose to put a JOP on the table edge if cover is available from that patrol marker - if there is any cover available you must use it. What it does mean is that you have a choice as to which patrol markers you use to place a JOP, so you can choose to use one for which there is no cover, so the JOP ends up on the table edge, rather than one where the JOP could be in cover. As to the tree, I don't know know how your table is set up, but I'm assuming you mean a tree on its own outside of any marked area of terrain? If so, then a single tree isn't going to be good cover for a single man, let alone a section, so I wouldn't say it counts for placing a JOP either. A JOP represents an area with sufficient cover that a section could have advanced up to it without being observed (even if on the table edge, it's assumed that such a covered route exists off the table edge). A wood or a hedge allows that, a single tree does not. Hope that helps. Cheers, Jim toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, 04:55 Mitch Abrams, <mhabrams@...> wrote: I have a two part question regarding Jump Off Points and their placement. There is a dispute between two players and I am the umpire of the campaign -? Question 1: Page 13 of the rules clearly states that if no cover is available the JOP must be placed on the table edge.? But a FAQ asked: Q: If a JOP must be placed at the table edge, is this just the player's friendly or starting edge, or is it any point where a Patrol Marker's zone touches an edge, so possibly a side edge? A: Anywhere the Patrol Marker's zone touches an edge and yes that does include a side edge. ?[Both are good w/ this] It is the next portion that is the issue.? It goes on to say "Often being limited to a JOP on an edge can be a bad thing but a side edge will often present opportunities to flank an enemy and sacrificing the benefit of cover for a daring flank move can sometimes pay dividends. It is this last portion that is the problem.? One person thinks this just presents an alternative way a appreciating that it is not all bad news if forced to put the JOP on the table edge.? The other thinks this allows them to forego cover so they can choose to make a daring flank move. ? Question 2: ?How you handle individual trees in a Pint Size Campaign?? One person says it is cover for a whole squad. Another says this is a single tree - not really there - just table atmosphere.? Do you consider a tree to be cover for putting a JOP behind it? Sorry to trouble people with this but it is the last (game 9) game of the campaign that has run quite smoothly - although by the two questions asked, most would not think so.? Also, the campaign is tied and whoever win the next game wins the campaign. ? Thanks in advance for any light you might shed on this so a successful conclusion to the campaign can be reached. Best, Mitch?

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