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Infamy, Infamy in the Late Empire
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I'm not too interested in the Early Republic etc but an fascinated by the "Late" Empire-say 300-450.? I'm wondering (obviously) if Infamy, Infamy contains the data to game that period.? Or is a supplement on the horizon?
TIA
Tom from Seattle
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It seems to me, as someone who has spent a long time studying the Dominate period and beyond that you could possibly use some of the mechanisms from Infamy for the Romans, but not really for the "barbarians", who were not as "barbaric" as those of the Late Republic or early Principate. Concepts like fervour and the use of fanatics seem far less appropriate in Late Antiquity and the beginning of the early Mediaeval.
Looking at the troop types available to the Romans, you need to remember that their equipment was different to that of the Principate; no pila, no segmented armour, probably more mounted archers, more archers on foot too, mail armour for everyone (plus occasional scale armour), long spears, plumbatae, staff slings etc as infantry weapons and probably a different approach to drill. Cavalry would also be different, more heavily armoured in some cases. Some of those things would also apply to the various "barbarian" troop types too, many of whom would have at some point probably fought as allies (foederati) of the Romans in Roman armies and who looked pretty similar anyway. When you look at the Goths (i.e. the Tervingi and Greuthungi) and other Germanic groups, you are looking at people who were far more militarily sophisticated than the Germanic tribes of the time of the Teutoburger Wald and who were themselves Christians, in the main. In fact, as I am writing this, it seems to me that what is required is a different set of rules.? Carole |
开云体育HI Tom, ? As it stands no. You could potentially fudge something but the current base set contains Later Republic & Early Imperial, plus Gauls, Britons and Germans. The next supplement I believe adds ‘Mediterranean’ so Carthage, Greece etc. I expect Late Classical, LIR, Goths, Sasanians etc will appear in a later supplement. ? My one observation would be that the later period and the East are very much more focused on mounted warfare, and so far, the attention has very much been on foot. ? Cheers ? Doug ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
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Sent: 12 November 2020 20:22 To: 'toofatlardies ([email protected])' <[email protected]> Subject: [TooFatLardies] Infamy, Infamy in the Late Empire ? I'm not too interested in the Early Republic etc but an fascinated by the "Late" Empire-say 300-450.? I'm wondering (obviously) if Infamy, Infamy contains the data to game that period.? Or is a supplement on the horizon? TIA Tom from Seattle |
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I think this is the period which is covered in the Dux Britanniarum rule set.? Which coincidentally I see are in a sale on TFLs web site. Egg On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 at 20:22, Tom Downs <tdowns3@...> wrote:
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The Late Empire pretty much turns everything on it's head as it's a completely different kind of warfare.? Much more emphasis on combined arms, mobility and missile power.? In some cases the infantry is only there to support the cavalry.? The Pilum is replaced by the Spiculum, legionaries dont venture much out of their garrisons and much of the horse is armoured impact cavalry with supporting horse archers.? Combined units start to appear and warfare is probably closer to medieval than classical.? Many of the 'barbarian' troops are as well 'drilled' as the Romanised ones.? It is a period of change.?
As Carole says it really needs a set of rules specifically written for it.? Infamy is too focused on the Early Empire to be of much use in the later periods. |
开云体育But only in England. It doesn’t cover any of the East, or Germany – it’s all about Romano-British vs Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Picts and Scotti. ? Nothing about the Germanic or Persian Limes. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
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Sent: 13 November 2020 09:48 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy, Infamy in the Late Empire ? I think this is the period which is covered in the Dux Britanniarum rule set.? Which coincidentally I see are in a sale on TFLs web site. Egg ? On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 at 20:22, Tom Downs <tdowns3@...> wrote:
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开云体育Not to mention that the Legions are relegated to occasional starring? appearances in losses. And the Auxilia Palatina become elite, the change from centrally raised legions to local forces and so on. ? No, it would be a challenge to add the 4th Century in. It’s not included in Dux other than a very small subset, and not relevant to more than one remote, small, insignificant Roman province on the outskirts of Europe. ? D. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
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Sent: 13 November 2020 14:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy, Infamy in the Late Empire ? The Late Empire pretty much turns everything on it's head as it's a completely different kind of warfare.? Much more emphasis on combined arms, mobility and missile power.? In some cases the infantry is only there to support the cavalry.?
The Pilum is replaced by the Spiculum, legionaries dont venture much out of their garrisons and much of the horse is armoured impact cavalry with supporting horse archers.? Combined units start to appear and warfare is probably closer to medieval than classical.?
Many of the 'barbarian' troops are as well 'drilled' as the Romanised ones.? It is a period of change.? |
开云体育DougWhat’s up with Sub Romans ?
And Romano Brits ?
?Where else would we get an Upper Class ? ?;-) Best Regards
Mike Leese
(N. Wales)
On 13 Nov 2020, at 21:56, Doug Melville <dougmelville@...> wrote:
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开云体育Nah – that was largely the Normans. ? But you could always argue that the ruling classes still speak Latin. ? D. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
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Sent: 13 November 2020 22:29 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy, Infamy in the Late Empire ? Doug What’s up with Sub Romans ? And Romano Brits ? ?Where else would we get an Upper Class ? ?;-) Best Regards ? Mike Leese (N. Wales) ?
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 at 14:37, sackatotties <stephendphilp@...> wrote: The Late Empire pretty much turns everything on it's head as it's a completely different kind of warfare.? Much more emphasis on combined arms, mobility and missile power.? In some cases the infantry is only there to support the cavalry.? The Pilum is replaced by the Spiculum, legionaries dont venture much out of their garrisons and much of the horse is armoured impact cavalry with supporting horse archers.? Combined units start to appear and warfare is probably closer to medieval than classical.? Many of the 'barbarian' troops are as well 'drilled' as the Romanised ones.? It is a period of change.? Indeed - Oman's 'Art of War in the Middle Ages' starts with Adrianople in 378.? Basically once heavy cavalry becomes the premier arm it's medieval not ancient any more.
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