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IABSM: Question on appropriate cards for scenarios

Dan All Messages By This Member #199940 So I've just bought the 2005 Summer and 2005 Christmas Specials in order to be able to try out the two Battle of the Bulge scenarios, "Walking in a Winter Wonderland" and "The Freezing 401st" Two items I noticed are in the OOB / Cards list of Winter Wonderland:?? Item A: Regimental Support Two 75mm infantry guns (5 crew) 3 x Stug IIIH (one of which is commanded by Bart Klankern (Big Man) and is classed as Elite. There are also three separate Panzer cards, one for each Stug.? Does that mean if the Regimental Support card is drawn both the 75mm guns and all three Stugs could be activated? And that the Panzers have two options for getting activated, either via an individual panzer card or via the Regimental Support Card Item B: There is an OOB for a? Heavy Platoon? Four MMGs (3 crew each) Two SdKfz 251/2 with 80mm mortars One SdKfz 251/9 However, there is not a German Heavy Platoon card listed. Is that an oversight? Lastly, in looking at both of these Bulge scenarios, I noticed that each tank has its own card. However in other scenarios I notice that tanks are more commonly grouped in platoons.? For future scenario design considerations ( I hope to adapt some AH Squad Leader, Battlefront, or Fireball Forward scenarios to IABSM)....is there a general rule for determining when e.g. 3-4 tanks should have their own Armor Platoon Card vs individual Armor 1, Armor 2, etc. cards Thanks in advance. -Dan
Steve Burt All Messages By This Member #199941 2005 would be IABSM v2 rather than the current v3 - so big man are defined as d4+1, d6 dAv and so on? If so, then yes, there are likely to be differences; tanks operating in platoons only came in with v3 as I recall. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 01:48, Dan <dan.albrecht.vt@...> wrote: So I've just bought the 2005 Summer and 2005 Christmas Specials in order to be able to try out the two Battle of the Bulge scenarios, "Walking in a Winter Wonderland" and "The Freezing 401st" Two items I noticed are in the OOB / Cards list of Winter Wonderland:?? Item A: Regimental Support Two 75mm infantry guns (5 crew) 3 x Stug IIIH (one of which is commanded by Bart Klankern (Big Man) and is classed as Elite. There are also three separate Panzer cards, one for each Stug.? Does that mean if the Regimental Support card is drawn both the 75mm guns and all three Stugs could be activated? And that the Panzers have two options for getting activated, either via an individual panzer card or via the Regimental Support Card Item B: There is an OOB for a? Heavy Platoon? Four MMGs (3 crew each) Two SdKfz 251/2 with 80mm mortars One SdKfz 251/9 However, there is not a German Heavy Platoon card listed. Is that an oversight? Lastly, in looking at both of these Bulge scenarios, I noticed that each tank has its own card. However in other scenarios I notice that tanks are more commonly grouped in platoons.? For future scenario design considerations ( I hope to adapt some AH Squad Leader, Battlefront, or Fireball Forward scenarios to IABSM)....is there a general rule for determining when e.g. 3-4 tanks should have their own Armor Platoon Card vs individual Armor 1, Armor 2, etc. cards Thanks in advance. -Dan
James Catchpole All Messages By This Member #199942 Indeed so. The Big Men need to be converted as per 'Speaking IABSM3', which is in the group files but I've attached a copy anyway. The armour platoons should be given a platoon card in place of the individual cards, as per v3. The 'Support weapons' card could be read as either the heavy weapons platoon or the regimental support, but by comparison with the 'Freezing 401st' I would guess that there is a card missing for the heavy weapons platoon. The support weapons card would then cover the infantry guns. I wouldn't activate the Stugs on it, just the guns. As a last note, IABSM v3 groups armour in platoons (or troops if you are British! ;^D) and uses platoon orders. This covers trained platoons with good communications, at least from the leader to the other vehicles, so most tanks in WW2, especially the latter part. I would personally consider using individual cards in scenarios where there was historically very poor communications, but that would be an exception rather than a rule.? Hope that helps. Cheers, Jim toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:46 Steve Burt, <steve.and.mary.burt@...> wrote: 2005 would be IABSM v2 rather than the current v3 - so big man are defined as d4+1, d6 dAv and so on? If so, then yes, there are likely to be differences; tanks operating in platoons only came in with v3 as I recall. On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 01:48, Dan <dan.albrecht.vt@...> wrote: So I've just bought the 2005 Summer and 2005 Christmas Specials in order to be able to try out the two Battle of the Bulge scenarios, "Walking in a Winter Wonderland" and "The Freezing 401st" Two items I noticed are in the OOB / Cards list of Winter Wonderland:?? Item A: Regimental Support Two 75mm infantry guns (5 crew) 3 x Stug IIIH (one of which is commanded by Bart Klankern (Big Man) and is classed as Elite. There are also three separate Panzer cards, one for each Stug.? Does that mean if the Regimental Support card is drawn both the 75mm guns and all three Stugs could be activated? And that the Panzers have two options for getting activated, either via an individual panzer card or via the Regimental Support Card Item B: There is an OOB for a? Heavy Platoon? Four MMGs (3 crew each) Two SdKfz 251/2 with 80mm mortars One SdKfz 251/9 However, there is not a German Heavy Platoon card listed. Is that an oversight? Lastly, in looking at both of these Bulge scenarios, I noticed that each tank has its own card. However in other scenarios I notice that tanks are more commonly grouped in platoons.? For future scenario design considerations ( I hope to adapt some AH Squad Leader, Battlefront, or Fireball Forward scenarios to IABSM)....is there a general rule for determining when e.g. 3-4 tanks should have their own Armor Platoon Card vs individual Armor 1, Armor 2, etc. cards Thanks in advance. -Dan
Dan All Messages By This Member #199943 thanks everyone! I had the Speaking IABSM sheet but did not know that V.2 scenarios were before the time of Tank Platoon cards!
Michael Reese All Messages By This Member #199944 Those should be StuG III/G not H. Michael Reese
Dan All Messages By This Member #199945 Thanks.... for that clarification, Michael Reese.? Can you point me to the citation, battle report, etc? It's nice to paint up my models with same camo, etc. as that actually used.
Michael Reese All Messages By This Member #199948 Not sure why my font is so large? I am sure it has to be a StuG III/G because there is no StuG III/H. There is a StuH 42 which is a /G version with a 10.5 cm howitzer instead of the 7.5 cm L48 gun in the /G version. The /G version came off the production lines starting in DEC 1942. 7720 were produced plus 173 converted from Panzer III tanks returned to the factory. Production ended March 1945. There were various improvements but no major changes made during production. StuH 42. 1211 produced Oct 42 - Feb 45 plus 1 prototype. These were in the German independent StuG battalions/Brigades with ~1 StuH per 3 StuG normal. A StuG Company of 10-14 StuG would have 3-4 StuH? and 7-10 StuG.? Panzer, Panzerjager, SS StuG Bn did not have them. Source. Page 84 and 85 ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GERMAN TANKS OF WW2. Tech Editor Thomas L Jentz. Source.? STURMGESCHUTZE VOR! Franz Kurowski pages 5-8, 31, 115, 159, 254 Ask Rich who I am. ? Mike Reese TRACTICS?
Mike Leese All Messages By This Member #199949 开云体育 Quite a novelty I can read it without adjusting the screen Best Regards Mike Leese (N. Wales) On 31 Jan 2020, at 15:41, Michael Reese <mrtank688@...> wrote: toggle quoted message Show quoted text Not sure why my font is so large? I am sure it has to be a StuG III/G because there is no StuG III/H. There is a StuH 42 which is a /G version with a 10.5 cm howitzer instead of the 7.5 cm L48 gun in the /G version. The /G version came off the production lines starting in DEC 1942. 7720 were produced plus 173 converted from Panzer III tanks returned to the factory. Production ended March 1945. There were various improvements but no major changes made during production. StuH 42. 1211 produced Oct 42 - Feb 45 plus 1 prototype. These were in the German independent StuG battalions/Brigades with ~1 StuH per 3 StuG normal. A StuG Company of 10-14 StuG would have 3-4 StuH? and 7-10 StuG.? Panzer, Panzerjager, SS StuG Bn did not have them. Source. Page 84 and 85 ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GERMAN TANKS OF WW2. Tech Editor Thomas L Jentz. Source.? STURMGESCHUTZE VOR! Franz Kurowski pages 5-8, 31, 115, 159, 254 Ask Rich who I am. ? Mike Reese TRACTICS?

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