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Selling 3 plus and VX-5
I'm downsizing my equipment, I have listed on ebay a Tinytrac3 plus with all the cables included to hook up to a Yaesu VX 5, which is part of the package including the power supply and an FTDI cable for programming with CHIRP, |
Re: Turning off telemetry channels with MTT4B?
So the TSAT (TSTAT is MTT4B -=Last Chance Digi=-) is the message that is in Mic-E format.? Must be due to MICETMV is TRUE.
It always send the telemetry data right after the Mic-E packet. But the reason you are transmitting telemetry is this setting: ???? TPERIOD is 1800 TPERIOD [ seconds ] ? Sets the time in seconds between transmissions of a telemetry report. A setting of 0 will disable telemetry reports. The analog voltages sent in order are JP5, JP4, JP3, JP2, JP1. If TELVOLT and/or TELTEMP is true, those will be sent first, followed by JP5, and the rest, up to a total of 5------- Robert Giuliano KB8RCO |
Re: Turning off telemetry channels with MTT4B?
One device, one bank.
BANK is 0 P300 is FALSE TXTDISP is FALSE NODISP is FALSE PPATHING is FALSE DMSDISP is FALSE MICETMV is TRUE ENTS is FALSE TELHIRES is FALSE TELVOLT is FALSE TELTEMP is FALSE PREEMPT is FALSE DIGIID is TRUE WXPOS is FALSE TELREAD is FALSE FRAWDISP is FALSE HRAWDISP is FALSE WYPTXT is FALSE PKTICOM is TRUE PKTOCOM is FALSE RPATHDISP is FALSE LEDS is TRUE PAVPEN is FALSE DEC96 is FALSE DDIST is FALSE HEADERLN is FALSE DMETRIC is FALSE SOFTRST is FALSE MSGCMD is FALSE MSGCAP is FALSE LRNTPS is FALSE GPSCHK is FALSE INTCLK is FALSE DECSTAT is FALSE DIGIMY is FALSE HIPWR is FALSE TOSV is FALSE TALT is TRUE TSPEED is FALSE TIMESTAMP is TRUE TIMEHMS is TRUE SBEN is FALSE TSWPT is FALSE AMODE is TEXT BMODE is GPS ABAUD is 19200 BBAUD is 4800 BNKMODE is 0 SSIDROUTE is 0 ALTNET is APTT4 MYCALL is NOLEN PATH1 is WIDE2-2 PATH2 is PATH3 is TSTAT is MTT4B -=Last Chance Digi=- BTEXT is !3556.54N108643.72W#PHG2547/EM65 de WA4SCA BPERIOD is 595 TXD is 40 MTXD is 10 PERSIST is 65 SLOTTIME is 65 QUIET is 10 TRNKMODE is 0 CDMODE is TONES CDLEVEL is 15 TXLEVEL is 128 TXTWIST is 50 RXAMP is 5 GWAYLEN is 9 GWAYMODE is NMEA GRELAYBITS is 1 GRELAYRATE is 0 GKRELAY is 0 LOCATION is 3556.5400N 08643.7200W GALT is 270 TSYMCODE is # TSYMTABLE is 1 STATUSRATE is 1 PPERIOD is 1800 MPPERIOD is 0 SBSSPEED is 5 SBFSPEED is 60 SBSPERIOD is 1800 SBFPERIOD is 90 SBTANGLE is 27 SBTSLOPE is 255 SBTTIME is 5 MMSG is 4 TSOFFSET is 17 TDAO is 0 TPROTOCOL is MIC-E TPSWITCH is 0 TPERIOD is 1800 TVOLTTWK is 128 TTEMPTWK is 128 WPERIOD is 0 ALIAS1 is WIDE1 ALIAS2 is WIDE2 ALIAS3 is DUPETIME is 20 FILTERCALL is TXFREQ is 144.390 RXFREQ is 144.390 RXSQUELCH is 0 RXMODE is 2 |
Re: Turning off telemetry channels with MTT4B?
If you post the MTT4 config, it would help. Why are some packets on aprs.fi showing: ???? 2023-08-17 14:34:23 EDT: >APTT4,WIDE2-2,qAR,:!3556.54N108643.72W#PHG2547/EM65?de?WA4SCA
While others show:
Are you switching between 2 banks?? Or are there 2 devices running with the same CALLSIGN and SSID=0? In one case, the packet is sent as text (uncompressed), and the second case, it is sent in Mic-E format Robert Giuliano
On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 01:14:25 PM EDT, Alan WA4SCA <apbiddle@...> wrote:
Thanks, but those are already turned off.? This is the packet which is being sent: 2023-08-17 09:38:53 CDT: NOLEN>APTT4,W1ARN-1*,K4UAN-3*,WIDE2*,qAR,KQ4BUD-10:T#006,110,105,089,085,084,00000011 Attached is a capture of how it turns up on APRS.FI |
Re: Turning off telemetry channels with MTT4B?
If you are referring to BText messages that include temperature and voltage, you must remove the ^T and/or ^V portion of the BTEXT.
The NODISP comment in the manual has nothing to do with Telemetry, OTHER THAN the display uses the digital input lines that are reported. ? ?If NODISP is TRUE and the digital states will depend on the display usage of those pins.? You cannot connect anything external to that header. Regular Telemetry reports are sent at TPERIOD intervals. ? ?A setting of Zero will disable telemetry reports.?? ? ?This should be your FIX ------- Robert Giuliano KB8RCO |
Turning off telemetry channels with MTT4B?
I am using a MTT4B as a fill-in digi, NOLEN. It sends the telemetry channels, even though they are not in use, and I haven't found the appropriate setting to turn them off. A minor use of bandwidth, but I would like to clean this up. The NODISP turns the lines on and off for the display, but does not have any effect on the transmission.
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Re: TT4BT or splitter cable
There is another way to add BT to a TT4 with a socketed MAX232 chip (kit version for sure). The catch is that you must switch to TTL for both serial devices (GPS and computer interface). Buy a cheap BT HC-05 (or SC-HC-08 for BT 4.0).? Most come with 3.3V regulator for 5V into the board, but double check. Program the BT module as needed before installation, as there is no longer a 'program' jumper. ?? You will need to remove the BT module to make any changes to the settings ?? I use a cheap CP2102 module. I used a separate, machined DIP socket and installed the components into that for easy change between RS232 and BT/TTL. Remove the MAX232 and jumper the secondary (Rx2/Tx2), pins 7<->10 and 8<->9. Port B is now TTL ONLY! Then jumper the 4 pins of the BT module to the socket 5V, Gnd, TLL 1 out, and TLL 1 in - check your MAX232 pinout for exact pins. ?? Or solder to the new socket spots. You probably will need a new case, as there doesn't seem to be room inside for the module. The nice feature is the larger case will likely have room for a u-Blox TTL GPS module.?? ?? You can connect this to the the TTL level Rx2/Tx2 and then everything is in the same case KB8RCO
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 04:57:27 AM EDT, Barry L. Lankford <barryl@...> wrote:
Greg, If you're interested in making your own TT4BT, I have a schematic for it, and the parts appear to be pretty easy to come by.? I was a beta tester for the TT4 way back then (15 to 20 years ago, I'd guess).? More recently, when the TT4 and its accessories became available as Byonics products, I ordered a TT4BT for my beta TT4.? As I like having schematics for my electronics equipment; I believe Byon's documentation for the TT4BT didn't include a schematic for the Blue Tooth adapter.? So I did a little "reverse engineering" and made my own using the schematic capture software that you can get free from ExpressPCB.? I'm pretty sure I uploaded the schematic as a PDF or JPG to the original Yahoo TT4 group (or it may have been the special "TT4 Beta" Yahoo group).? Anyway, I did a cursory search for it on this group, and couldn't find it.? I'm pretty sure it's still on one of my computers.? I've grown quite a bit older since those days, and eyesight, short-term memory and age have taken their toll, so searches are tiresome.? But I'm pretty sure it's still on one of my several computers, and I can probably find it easily enough by doing a global search on each computer for the word "ExpressPCB." The parts should be easily obtainable and cheap, but it'd probably cost as much as the finished product from Byonics (if it becomes available again).? There are two DE-9 connectors (one of each gender), a 3.3v linear voltage regulator (probably an LDO type), a 4-port logic level shifter (a MAX232-something part), an HC-05 Bluetooth master/slave module, a couple of LEDs, and a handful of resistors and small caps, and a two-pin header and jumper (for the program/run function of the HC-05.? I've never gotten into surface mount except for assembling some small kits (come to think of it, I believe the beta TT4 TinyTrak itself has some surface mount parts and it was a kit), so, although the production TT4BT has surface mount versions of the regulator and the level-shifter ICs, I'd buy the leaded versions of those parts, mount them on perfboard and wire them up using 2 or 3 turns of kynar-insulated wire-wrap #30 wire on standard solder-length pins, and then melt a little solder on each of the wire-wrap connections (to keep from having to have terminations with the inconveniently long 0,025" square pins).? There aren't many wires (nodes in the netlist) involved in the circuit, so it isn't a lot of work. You may have better ways of wiring it up (such as getting a PC board made), but this has long been my way. I've never made a hand-wired copy of the TT4BT, so I can't assure you that making your own will work, but I'm pretty sure the wiring and parts are correct on my schematic, but there might be something I've missed or forgotten, such as, what configuration needs to be made to the HC-05 that Byon might have pre-configured?? BTW, there's documentation for the HC-05 module available online.? Just Google "HC-05" If you want to try? it, or if you're just curious, let me know and I'll hunt it down, and shoot you a copy. 73, Barry N4MSJ |
Re: TT4BT or splitter cable
Greg,
If you're interested in making your own TT4BT, I have a schematic for it, and the parts appear to be pretty easy to come by. I was a beta tester for the TT4 way back then (15 to 20 years ago, I'd guess). More recently, when the TT4 and its accessories became available as Byonics products, I ordered a TT4BT for my beta TT4. As I like having schematics for my electronics equipment; I believe Byon's documentation for the TT4BT didn't include a schematic for the Blue Tooth adapter. So I did a little "reverse engineering" and made my own using the schematic capture software that you can get free from ExpressPCB. I'm pretty sure I uploaded the schematic as a PDF or JPG to the original Yahoo TT4 group (or it may have been the special "TT4 Beta" Yahoo group). Anyway, I did a cursory search for it on this group, and couldn't find it. I'm pretty sure it's still on one of my computers. I've grown quite a bit older since those days, and eyesight, short-term memory and age have taken their toll, so searches are tiresome. But I'm pretty sure it's still on one of my several computers, and I can probably find it easily enough by doing a global search on each computer for the word "ExpressPCB." The parts should be easily obtainable and cheap, but it'd probably cost as much as the finished product from Byonics (if it becomes available again). There are two DE-9 connectors (one of each gender), a 3.3v linear voltage regulator (probably an LDO type), a 4-port logic level shifter (a MAX232-something part), an HC-05 Bluetooth master/slave module, a couple of LEDs, and a handful of resistors and small caps, and a two-pin header and jumper (for the program/run function of the HC-05. I've never gotten into surface mount except for assembling some small kits (come to think of it, I believe the beta TT4 TinyTrak itself has some surface mount parts and it was a kit), so, although the production TT4BT has surface mount versions of the regulator and the level-shifter ICs, I'd buy the leaded versions of those parts, mount them on perfboard and wire them up using 2 or 3 turns of kynar-insulated wire-wrap #30 wire on standard solder-length pins, and then melt a little solder on each of the wire-wrap connections (to keep from having to have terminations with the inconveniently long 0,025" square pins). There aren't many wires (nodes in the netlist) involved in the circuit, so it isn't a lot of work. You may have better ways of wiring it up (such as getting a PC board made), but this has long been my way. I've never made a hand-wired copy of the TT4BT, so I can't assure you that making your own will work, but I'm pretty sure the wiring and parts are correct on my schematic, but there might be something I've missed or forgotten, such as, what configuration needs to be made to the HC-05 that Byon might have pre-configured? BTW, there's documentation for the HC-05 module available online. Just Google "HC-05" If you want to try it, or if you're just curious, let me know and I'll hunt it down, and shoot you a copy. 73, Barry N4MSJ |
Update on the MT-AIO progress
ALLCON, We had a number of PCB production issues with the prototype MT-AIO V4.1 tracker.? This is improved version of our old MT-AIO tracker ( The one in the yellow Pelican case) A bunch of parts for the old AIO either became obsolete, enormously expensive, or only unpredictably available. The ubiquitous Pelican 1030 case we used for years was also dropped, and Pelican is migrating ( See what I did there?) to clear boxes with colored inserts. These are basically little solar-powered ovens. After an interim redesign, to use the Flambeau "Black Ribbon" case, Flambeau dropped these too. Something about a flu that was going around they said. After finding a new and suitable case ( the S3, T-2000 cases) we redesigned the AIO around this case.? These cases are smaller, stronger and don't chip like the Pelican Cases, They are O-Ring gasketed, and I expect that the new AIO will be submersible ( Well, I guess any thing can be submerged, but the new AIO should survive the experience. It may float, depending on the battery weight, but no promises. They will fit neatly in an IFAK case.? The new unit is intended to be powered by 4 X 18650, unprotected batteries. You can use protected batteries too, but you will need to turn the power down to about ten Watts or the batteries will give out too quickly. With this power source, the unit will start out with about 20 Watts output, and drop to about 17 Watts after an hour of run-time, where i levels off. With several of the 18650 batteries I have tried, the prototype seems to run for about 50 hours with two minute transmission intervals. Batteries vary dramatically, and while it may be a shocking and slanderous assertion, I believe that many of the Distributors, Dealers, and Manufacturers may not be telling the complete truth about their products specifications! Shocking. At any rate the standard antenna we used with the AIO, a Nagoya quarter wave whip, seems to handle 20 Watt transmissions. I think it would be better served to use one the AAbree "tape measure" style antennas? ( Yes, they work!) to get the most out of the higher power transmitter, and to keep it away from your head.? I was reluctant to make the unit dependent on LiPo batteries. Primarily because I thought that LiPo's would freeze to death in High Altitude Balloons. One of our clients disabused me of that notion, they seem to work fine in older AIO's, and clock their power up to about 12 Watts output. We will probably produce all of the new units with high-altitude ( Above 60,000 feet) GPS receivers.? I will post photos as soon as I have something that is not just a mess of parts splattered on a workbench! 73, Allen AF6OF |
Re: TT4BT or splitter cable
Greg, My bad, I should have?taken more time to understand?your question. I manufacture and provide tech-support for the Micro-Trak line of products carried by Byonics, so my mind was somewhere else. We would need to get an update from Byon as to whether the TT4 Bluetooth module is still an active product. It did, BTW, "split" the two serial ports on the DB-9 connector of the TT4 into two separate?routes. PORTA? I believe?was tied to the BT module so you can have a wireless computer connection. PORTB was assigned?to the DB-9 connector on the adapter, and wired as a "null modem" with a 5 Volt power pin , so that it was plug and play compatible with?a serial, NMEA, 5 Volt GPS receiver.? 73, Allen AF6OF On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:58?PM Greg Depew <goatherder_4891@...> wrote:
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Re: TT4BT or splitter cable
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi guys, I was actually looking at the TT4 products page and at the bottom is the TT4BT, the Bluetooth adapter. Looks like its out of stock. Allen are you referring to that product or the actual MTT4BT @? http://www.byonics.com/mtt4b
And the spliiter was for the TT4 so you could have both GPS and computer connected but I can't find it on the site anywhere.?
KB3KBR Greg. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From: "vhsproducts via groups.io" <vhsproducts@...>
Date: 7/30/23 08:59 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [TinyTrak] TT4BT or splitter cable
Greg,
The MTT4BT is permanently discontinued. Note that the splitter that Byonics carries is just for the TT4. The MTT4BT already had a connector for each port ( A DB-9 and a 2.5mm jack)? but the TT4 has both ports on the DB-9 connector. There is a
schematic of this cable in an earlier post if you want to hand-build one.?
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:10:11 AM PDT, Greg Depew <goatherder_4891@...> wrote:
Hi everyone, been to the website and it shows the TT4BT out of stock. Any idea when it may be back in? Also i thought I saw a splitter cable at one point that could let you shar the computer port with a computer and GPS but
can't find it anymore, if someone can point me that way.
Thanks! Greg KB3KBR |
Re: TT4BT or splitter cable
To explain the splitter a different wat from Allen, it does not split a computer port because the computer only has one set of serial pins per connector.
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It does split the A/B port of the TT4 line, which has 2 sets of Tx/Rx pins in one DE9. So if you are referring to the "computer's serial port", it won't work.? If you are referring to a TT4BT serial connection, remember the Bluetooth uses one set of Rx/Tx pins, so the jumpers determine what connects where on the second port. Roert Giuliano KB8RCO?
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Re: TT4BT or splitter cable
Greg, The MTT4BT is permanently discontinued. Note that the splitter that Byonics carries is just for the TT4. The MTT4BT already had a connector for each port ( A DB-9 and a 2.5mm jack)? but the TT4 has both ports on the DB-9 connector. There is a schematic of this cable in an earlier post if you want to hand-build one.? 73, Allen AF6OF
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:10:11 AM PDT, Greg Depew <goatherder_4891@...> wrote:
Hi everyone, been to the website and it shows the TT4BT out of stock. Any idea when it may be back in? Also i thought I saw a splitter cable at one point that could let you shar the computer port with a computer and GPS but can't find it anymore, if someone can point me that way. Thanks! Greg KB3KBR |
TT4BT or splitter cable
Hi everyone, been to the website and it shows the TT4BT out of stock. Any idea when it may be back in? Also i thought I saw a splitter cable at one point that could let you shar the computer port with a computer and GPS but can't find it anymore, if someone can point me that way.
Thanks! Greg KB3KBR |
Re: Digi Settings
You state ? ?> ... I can see beacons on a handheld but it does not appear to be making it anywhere? ? ?> else. Here is settings. Is your comment in reference to the DIGI attempts, or beacons or both? You do not say what your setup is: ? ?What radio are you using?? Pin2 is uncommon.? Most should be Inverse_pin2. ? ?How does it receive and decode packets? Why do you say it is not making it anywhere else? ? ?Does the HT pick up the DIGI retransmission - if so, the issue is not the TT4. ? ?Or is it not retransmitting at all? 1. Reception and settings for good decode of RF? ? ? ?If you connect a computer to the TT4, do you get god decodes? 2. A matching, unused path element (next element or any unused element if preemptive is set true) ? ? Does the decoded message have an unused path element? 3. Proper DIGI setting (path elemets to match), is there a local station transmitting with a WIDE1 path? ? ? Does the decoded packet match the path for your station to DIGI? 4. TX properly functioning - yes, you say your HT can see beacons- one example. ? ? ?Should not be the problem After that, the RF determines what happens next. Robert Giuliano KB8RCO
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Digi Settings
I followed all the settings in both the "firmware" documentation and posts on here and yet to get my TT4 to digi. I can see beacons on a handheld but it does not appear to be making it anywhere else. Here is settings. Thoughts ??
:disp
BANK is 0
P300 is FALSE
TXTDISP is FALSE
NODISP is FALSE
PPATHING is FALSE
DMSDISP is FALSE
MICETMV is FALSE
ENTS is FALSE
TELHIRES is FALSE
TELVOLT is TRUE
TELTEMP is TRUE
PREEMPT is FALSE
DIGIID is TRUE
WXPOS is TRUE
TELREAD is TRUE
FRAWDISP is FALSE
HRAWDISP is FALSE
WYPTXT is FALSE
PKTICOM is TRUE
PKTOCOM is TRUE
RPATHDISP is FALSE
LEDS is TRUE
PAVPEN is FALSE
DEC96 is FALSE
DDIST is FALSE
HEADERLN is FALSE
DMETRIC is FALSE
SOFTRST is FALSE
MSGCMD is FALSE
MSGCAP is FALSE
LRNTPS is FALSE
GPSCHK is FALSE
INTCLK is FALSE
DECSTAT is FALSE
DIGIMY is FALSE
TOSV is FALSE
TALT is TRUE
TSPEED is TRUE
TIMESTAMP is TRUE
TIMEHMS is TRUE
SBEN is FALSE
TSWPT is TRUE
AMODE is TEXT
BMODE is GPS
ABAUD is 9600
BBAUD is 4800
BNKMODE is 0
SSIDROUTE is 0
ALTNET is APTT4
MYCALL is KD4MOT-3
PATH1 is WIDE1-1
PATH2 is WIDE2-1
PATH3 is
TSTAT is /KD4MOT-3
BTEXT is kd4mot-3
BPERIOD is 900
TXD is 100
MTXD is 10
PERSIST is 65
SLOTTIME is 15
QUIET is 10
TRNKMODE is 0
CDMODE is PIN2
CDLEVEL is 10
TXLEVEL is 128
TXTWIST is 50
RXAMP is 14
GWAYLEN is 9
GWAYMODE is NMEA
GRELAYBITS is 1
GRELAYRATE is 0
GKRELAY is 0
LOCATION is 3657.0138N 07989.5980W
GALT is 1000
TSYMCODE is #
TSYMTABLE is /
STATUSRATE is 1
PPERIOD is 900
MPPERIOD is 0
SBSSPEED is 5
SBFSPEED is 60
SBSPERIOD is 1800
SBFPERIOD is 90
SBTANGLE is 27
SBTSLOPE is 255
SBTTIME is 5
MMSG is 0
TSOFFSET is 17
TDAO is 0
TPROTOCOL is APRS
TPSWITCH is 0
TPERIOD is 0
TVOLTTWK is 128
TTEMPTWK is 128
WPERIOD is 0
ALIAS1 is WIDE1
ALIAS2 is
ALIAS3 is
DUPETIME is 30
FILTERCALL is
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Jeff / KD4MOT |
Re: Handheld APRS Receive
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIs this the KC3SGV balloon that was launched today? It seem it was a pretty good day to launch! Hit lots of Igates from altitude!!
KB3KBR Greg. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From: Giles Veit <veit_giles@...>
Date: 6/29/23 18:47 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [TinyTrak] Handheld APRS Receive
Sorry for the delay in response! This problem came up last minute and the launch was today. Even though we couldn't receive the packets in the field, we were still able to track it. It was in range of other i-gates, so we just used
. Between the tracking, weather data collection, and even live video, there were a lot of new ideas put into this balloon. However, it went nearly flawlessly. Next time we might get the mobile APRS receiving set up on a laptop.
Thank you?all for responding and helping us.
KC3SRK - Giles Veit
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