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Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

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In response to Allen's comments.......



Regards,

Doug VK2XLJ


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Allen Lord <allen@...>
Sent: Saturday, 6 November 2021 11:27 PM
To: [email protected] Group Moderators <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TinyTrak] Windows 11 and cable compatibility
?
For the time?being, I am going to regard Windows 11 as being an instrument of satan. Historically, this seems to be the best way of thinking about Microsoft products in early releases!

73,

Allen AF6OF

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 4:29 AM Curt M. <WU3URADIO@...> wrote:

I had a problem with two Proliphic cables used for my amplifier and tuner. Device manager read something like, Not compatible, contact manufacturer.?

I selected rollback driver and the cables now work fine. At one point Windows 11 said there was a new Proliphic driver. I updated the driver and it went back to not working. I chose rollback driver again and it¡¯s been fine ever since.?

Curt
WU3U


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

Especially when you look back at their release history.
For a long, long time, they produced an "about every other realease was just CRAP".

Rob KB8RCO


On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 8:27, Allen Lord
<allen@...> wrote:
For the time?being, I am going to regard Windows 11 as being an instrument of satan. Historically, this seems to be the best way of thinking about Microsoft products in early releases!

73,

Allen AF6OF

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 4:29 AM Curt M. <WU3URADIO@...> wrote:

I had a problem with two Proliphic cables used for my amplifier and tuner. Device manager read something like, Not compatible, contact manufacturer.?

I selected rollback driver and the cables now work fine. At one point Windows 11 said there was a new Proliphic driver. I updated the driver and it went back to not working. I chose rollback driver again and it¡¯s been fine ever since.?

Curt
WU3U


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

For the time?being, I am going to regard Windows 11 as being an instrument of satan. Historically, this seems to be the best way of thinking about Microsoft products in early releases!

73,

Allen AF6OF

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 4:29 AM Curt M. <WU3URADIO@...> wrote:

I had a problem with two Proliphic cables used for my amplifier and tuner. Device manager read something like, Not compatible, contact manufacturer.?

I selected rollback driver and the cables now work fine. At one point Windows 11 said there was a new Proliphic driver. I updated the driver and it went back to not working. I chose rollback driver again and it¡¯s been fine ever since.?

Curt
WU3U


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

I had a problem with two Proliphic cables used for my amplifier and tuner. Device manager read something like, Not compatible, contact manufacturer.?

I selected rollback driver and the cables now work fine. At one point Windows 11 said there was a new Proliphic driver. I updated the driver and it went back to not working. I chose rollback driver again and it¡¯s been fine ever since.?

Curt
WU3U


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

Our customer has reported that an old driver (?Profilic?USB Drivers for PL2303TA?version 3.4.67.325 for Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 32-bit (x86), 64-bit (x64).) works with WIN 11 too, so problem solved!

73,

Allen AF6OF


-----Original Message-----
From: vhsproducts@...
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 3:26 pm
Subject: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

Ahh yes Rob, forgot the dialout group for tty access.

Recently ran into that when I plugged in an adafruit 954 (uses silabs CP2012):

gil@pop-os:~$ lsusb
...
Bus 001 Device 009: ID 10c4:ea60 Silicon Labs CP210x UART Bridge

gil@pop-os:~$ lsusb -d 10c4:ea60 -v
Bus 001 Device 009: ID 10c4:ea60 Silicon Labs CP210x UART Bridge
...(gory details)

gil@pop-os:~$ sudo dmesg --human|tail
...
[? +0.002242] cp210x 1-1:1.0: cp210x converter detected
[? +0.001796] usb 1-1: cp210x converter now attached to ttyUSB0

gil@pop-os:~$ cd /dev
gil@pop-os:/dev$ ll ttyU*
crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 0 Oct 27 14:12 ttyUSB0

=== need to add dialout group:
gil@pop-os:~$ sudo usermod -a -G dialout gil
gil@pop-os:~$ groups
gil adm sudo lpadmin
=== wait, what?? Oh, need to log out/in to update groups (or shutdown/restart) then:
gil@pop-os:~$ groups
gil adm tty dialout sudo lpadmin

=== now need a term-emu and picocom is handy:
gil@pop-os:~$ sudo apt-get install picocom
=== then, add to home,? ~/.bash_aliases:
??? alias pico="picocom -b 115200 -r -l /dev/ttyUSB0"


----- Original message -----
From: "Rob Giuliano via groups.io" <kb8rco=[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TinyTrak] Windows 11 and cable compatibility
Date: Thursday, November 04, 2021 5:58 PM

You should not need 2 dev rules to define a device.
Most often, USB serial devices (USB-TTL or USB-RS232) fall under SUBSYSTEM=='tty".

Looking at my udev rules, reminds me that you have to ensure your user has permisssion for the device.
Be sure and add your user to group "dialout"

I? have the file 50-tty.rules that redefines devices to map to WINE usable names and looks like this:
# ========================================================================
# This file was created to accoyunt for all USB devices that need to
#?? report as COM# devices for WINE.? Setup as follows
#?? ?COM1??? =>????? ttyS0 is a physical device on the motherboard
#?? ?COM2??? =>????? ttyS1 is an optional physical device on the motherboard
#?? ?COM3??? =>????? TNC-X
#?? ?COM4??? =>????? Arduino Nano (or Nano in the RSHFIQ)
#?? ?COM5??? =>????? CH341 (I2C/SPI/UART - any mode)
#?? ?COM6??? =>????? Teensy
#?? ?COM7??? =>????? ublox
#?? ?COM8??? =>????? T3_301
#?? ?COM9??? =>????? {not assigned}
#
#
# It can be modify, as long as you keep each rule on a single
#? line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.
#
# ========================================================================
# TNC-X shows as ttyUSB#?? => symlink TNC-X to ttyS2 (WINE COM3)
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", SYMLINK+="ttyS2", GROUP="dialout"


# Arduino 101 in DFU Mode?? From installation
# Nano shows as ttyUSB#?? => symlink nano to ttyS3 (WINE COM4)
# My Arduino Nano info?? QinHeng Electronics HL-340 USB-Serial adapter
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1a86", ATTRS{idProduct}=="7523", MODE="0666", SYMLINK+="ttyS3", GROUP="dialout"


# CH341 shows as ttyUSB#??? => symlink CH341 to ttyS4 (WINE COM5) in UART mode
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1a86", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5523", SYMLINK+="ttyS4", GROUP="dialout"
# CH341 shows as ttyUSB#??? => symlink CH341 to ttyS4 (WINE COM5) in SPI/I2C mode
# SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1a86", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5512", SYMLINK+="ttyS4", GROUP="dialout"
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1a86", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5512", SYMLINK+="ttyS4", GROUP="dialout"

# After this file is installed, physically unplug and reconnect Teensy shows as ttyACM#? => symlink teensy to ttyS5 (WINE COM6) ?
ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", ENV{ID_MM_DEVICE_IGNORE}="1", ENV{ID_MM_PORT_IGNORE}="1"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04[789a]*", ENV{MTP_NO_PROBE}="1"
KERNEL=="ttyACM*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", MODE:="0666", RUN:="/bin/stty -F /dev/%k raw -echo"
KERNEL=="hidraw*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", MODE:="0666"
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", MODE:="0666"
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", SYMLINK+="ttyS5", GROUP="dialout"

# UDEV Rules for ublox GPS shows as ttyACM#? => symlink ublox GPS to ttyS6 (WINE COM7) ?
# SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1546", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01a8", SYMLINK+="ttyS6", GROUP="dialout"
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1546", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01a8", SYMLINK="ttyS6", GROUP="dialout"

# T3-301 module shows as ttyUSB#?? => symlink T3-301 module to ttyS7 (WINE COM8) FC-301D with T3-301 module
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="134a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="9000", SYMLINK="ttyS7", GROUP="dialout"

# UDEV Rules for CP210x USB to TTL
#???? Have many, so unsure if more than one plugged in?
#???? No unique ATTRS{} found? shows as ttyUSB#? => symlink CP210x to ttyS8 (WINE COM9) ?
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="10c4", ATTRS{idProduct}=="ea60", SYMLINK="ttyS8", GROUP="dialout"


This is on KUbuntu, but the same on my Pis and several other distros with and without Debian roots..


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO




On Thursday, November 4, 2021, 08:14:53 PM EDT, Gil Smith <tinytrak@...> wrote:


BJ:

I have not used debian directly, but I use both Pop-OS and Linux Mint (ubuntu/debian roots), and I need to add usb vid/pid IDs for usb devices I use.? Perhaps you need to add your serial dongle IDs as a rule file.

as sudo, in the? /etc/udev/rules.d directory, I create a file called 10-gil.rules with two lines as follows:

SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0483", ATTR{idProduct}=="5750", TAG+="uaccess"
KERNEL=="hidraw*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0483", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5750", TAG+="uaccess"

That is the vid/pid for an stm micro I use as a custom hid device.

The number in the filename is a load priority or something, and really does not seem critical.? Segger uses a file called 99-jlink.rules for their swd dongles.

fwiw, gil

----- Original message -----
From: BJ Miller <ve7lad@...>
Subject: Re: [TinyTrak] Windows 11 and cable compatibility
Date: Thursday, November 04, 2021 3:40 PM

I¡¯m not using Windows of any kind, but I am now having trouble with my USB cables for the TT4, I have upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 11, (LINUX) and the cable stopped working altogether.
Anyone else having the same issue?
Thanks!

BJ



Sent from myMail for iOS


Thursday, November 4, 2021, 15:26 -0700 from vhsproducts@... <vhsproducts@...>:
Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF




Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

You should not need 2 dev rules to define a device.
Most often, USB serial devices (USB-TTL or USB-RS232) fall under SUBSYSTEM=='tty".

Looking at my udev rules, reminds me that you have to ensure your user has permisssion for the device.
Be sure and add your user to group "dialout"

I? have the file 50-tty.rules that redefines devices to map to WINE usable names and looks like this:
# ========================================================================
# This file was created to accoyunt for all USB devices that need to
#?? report as COM# devices for WINE.? Setup as follows
#?? ?COM1??? =>????? ttyS0 is a physical device on the motherboard
#?? ?COM2??? =>????? ttyS1 is an optional physical device on the motherboard
#?? ?COM3??? =>????? TNC-X
#?? ?COM4??? =>????? Arduino Nano (or Nano in the RSHFIQ)
#?? ?COM5??? =>????? CH341 (I2C/SPI/UART - any mode)
#?? ?COM6??? =>????? Teensy
#?? ?COM7??? =>????? ublox
#?? ?COM8??? =>????? T3_301
#?? ?COM9??? =>????? {not assigned}
#
#
# It can be modify, as long as you keep each rule on a single
#? line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.
#
# ========================================================================
# TNC-X shows as ttyUSB#?? => symlink TNC-X to ttyS2 (WINE COM3)
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", SYMLINK+="ttyS2", GROUP="dialout"


# Arduino 101 in DFU Mode?? From installation
# Nano shows as ttyUSB#?? => symlink nano to ttyS3 (WINE COM4)
# My Arduino Nano info?? QinHeng Electronics HL-340 USB-Serial adapter
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1a86", ATTRS{idProduct}=="7523", MODE="0666", SYMLINK+="ttyS3", GROUP="dialout"


# CH341 shows as ttyUSB#??? => symlink CH341 to ttyS4 (WINE COM5) in UART mode
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1a86", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5523", SYMLINK+="ttyS4", GROUP="dialout"
# CH341 shows as ttyUSB#??? => symlink CH341 to ttyS4 (WINE COM5) in SPI/I2C mode
# SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1a86", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5512", SYMLINK+="ttyS4", GROUP="dialout"
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1a86", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5512", SYMLINK+="ttyS4", GROUP="dialout"

# After this file is installed, physically unplug and reconnect Teensy shows as ttyACM#? => symlink teensy to ttyS5 (WINE COM6) ?
ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", ENV{ID_MM_DEVICE_IGNORE}="1", ENV{ID_MM_PORT_IGNORE}="1"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04[789a]*", ENV{MTP_NO_PROBE}="1"
KERNEL=="ttyACM*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", MODE:="0666", RUN:="/bin/stty -F /dev/%k raw -echo"
KERNEL=="hidraw*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", MODE:="0666"
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", MODE:="0666"
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="16c0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="04*", SYMLINK+="ttyS5", GROUP="dialout"

# UDEV Rules for ublox GPS shows as ttyACM#? => symlink ublox GPS to ttyS6 (WINE COM7) ?
# SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1546", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01a8", SYMLINK+="ttyS6", GROUP="dialout"
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1546", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01a8", SYMLINK="ttyS6", GROUP="dialout"

# T3-301 module shows as ttyUSB#?? => symlink T3-301 module to ttyS7 (WINE COM8) FC-301D with T3-301 module
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="134a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="9000", SYMLINK="ttyS7", GROUP="dialout"

# UDEV Rules for CP210x USB to TTL
#???? Have many, so unsure if more than one plugged in?
#???? No unique ATTRS{} found? shows as ttyUSB#? => symlink CP210x to ttyS8 (WINE COM9) ?
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="10c4", ATTRS{idProduct}=="ea60", SYMLINK="ttyS8", GROUP="dialout"


This is on KUbuntu, but the same on my Pis and several other distros with and without Debian roots..

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, November 4, 2021, 08:14:53 PM EDT, Gil Smith <tinytrak@...> wrote:


BJ:

I have not used debian directly, but I use both Pop-OS and Linux Mint (ubuntu/debian roots), and I need to add usb vid/pid IDs for usb devices I use.? Perhaps you need to add your serial dongle IDs as a rule file.

as sudo, in the? /etc/udev/rules.d directory, I create a file called 10-gil.rules with two lines as follows:

SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0483", ATTR{idProduct}=="5750", TAG+="uaccess"
KERNEL=="hidraw*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0483", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5750", TAG+="uaccess"

That is the vid/pid for an stm micro I use as a custom hid device.

The number in the filename is a load priority or something, and really does not seem critical.? Segger uses a file called 99-jlink.rules for their swd dongles.

fwiw, gil

----- Original message -----
From: BJ Miller <ve7lad@...>
Subject: Re: [TinyTrak] Windows 11 and cable compatibility
Date: Thursday, November 04, 2021 3:40 PM

I¡¯m not using Windows of any kind, but I am now having trouble with my USB cables for the TT4, I have upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 11, (LINUX) and the cable stopped working altogether.
Anyone else having the same issue?
Thanks!

BJ



Sent from myMail for iOS


Thursday, November 4, 2021, 15:26 -0700 from vhsproducts@... <vhsproducts@...>:
Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

BJ,
Linux is pretty close to driver independent - more specifically, everything is a file and a generic driver for devices will pretty much handle what is needed.? I have not found a single USB-RS232 or USB-TTL device that didn't just work on any version of Linux I've used, when paired with the proper /dev/tty???? file link.

For all practical purposes, the main issues are device naming and making sure your application is pointed at the device connected to the TT4.
In most cases, udev rules are the best solution for ensuring you are pointing to the corrrect device.

That said, if you are trying to use WINE and Windows configuration tools, or terminal programs (like TeraTerm Pro), that is a different story.
If you give a bit more detail on your setup:
? Okay -> got that it is Debian 11.
? As stated -> lsusb output for the device (PL2302 have worked fine on everything I have) would be helpful
? What application are you running to interface with the TT4?


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, November 4, 2021, 08:04:38 PM EDT, Cliff Sojourner <cls@...> wrote:


Tell us what chip is in the cable. Post the output of "lsusb" command.

If the chip is FTDI or CP2101 it should be ok. If it is a PL2302 then throw it away.

Cliff K6CLS CM87

On November 4, 2021 3:40:45 PM PDT, BJ Miller <ve7lad@...> wrote:
I¡¯m not using Windows of any kind, but I am now having trouble with my USB cables for the TT4, I have upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 11, (LINUX) and the cable stopped working altogether.
Anyone else having the same issue?
Thanks!

BJ



Sent from myMail for iOS


Thursday, November 4, 2021, 15:26 -0700 from vhsproducts@... <vhsproducts@...>:
Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

BJ:

I have not used debian directly, but I use both Pop-OS and Linux Mint (ubuntu/debian roots), and I need to add usb vid/pid IDs for usb devices I use.? Perhaps you need to add your serial dongle IDs as a rule file.

as sudo, in the? /etc/udev/rules.d directory, I create a file called 10-gil.rules with two lines as follows:

SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0483", ATTR{idProduct}=="5750", TAG+="uaccess"
KERNEL=="hidraw*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0483", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5750", TAG+="uaccess"

That is the vid/pid for an stm micro I use as a custom hid device.

The number in the filename is a load priority or something, and really does not seem critical.? Segger uses a file called 99-jlink.rules for their swd dongles.

fwiw, gil

----- Original message -----
From: BJ Miller <ve7lad@...>
Subject: Re: [TinyTrak] Windows 11 and cable compatibility
Date: Thursday, November 04, 2021 3:40 PM

I¡¯m not using Windows of any kind, but I am now having trouble with my USB cables for the TT4, I have upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 11, (LINUX) and the cable stopped working altogether.
Anyone else having the same issue?
Thanks!

BJ



Sent from myMail for iOS


Thursday, November 4, 2021, 15:26 -0700 from vhsproducts@... <vhsproducts@...>:
Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

Tell us what chip is in the cable. Post the output of "lsusb" command.

If the chip is FTDI or CP2101 it should be ok. If it is a PL2302 then throw it away.

Cliff K6CLS CM87


On November 4, 2021 3:40:45 PM PDT, BJ Miller <ve7lad@...> wrote:
I¡¯m not using Windows of any kind, but I am now having trouble with my USB cables for the TT4, I have upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 11, (LINUX) and the cable stopped working altogether.
Anyone else having the same issue?
Thanks!

BJ



Sent from myMail for iOS


Thursday, November 4, 2021, 15:26 -0700 from vhsproducts@... <vhsproducts@...>:
Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

I¡¯m not using Windows of any kind, but I am now having trouble with my USB cables for the TT4, I have upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 11, (LINUX) and the cable stopped working altogether.
Anyone else having the same issue?
Thanks!

BJ



Sent from myMail for iOS


Thursday, November 4, 2021, 15:26 -0700 from vhsproducts@... <vhsproducts@...>:

Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

Jardy,

Thanks, I will pass that along to the guy with the cable problems. I suspect that as Robert suggests, that WIN 11 will not handle "legacy" devices, but it is worth a shot! Our cables ( Which don't use counterfeit chips, BTW) are pretty much identical to the similar Kenwood cables with the 2.5mm plugs for APRS handhelds, so they may be having similar problems.

73,

Allen AF6OF

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:01 PM Rob Giuliano via <kb8rco=[email protected]> wrote:
Agreed!!
HOWEVER, the question becomes whether Windows 11 will allow the install of the older drivers.

Rob KB8RCO


On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 18:37, JARDY DAWSON via
<JARDY72=[email protected]> wrote:
When Windows 10 came out, there were problems with ¡®Prolific¡¯ chip cables. These chips were fake Prolific chips from China. Windows always wants to use the latest and greatest drivers. For the fake chips, these drivers caused those chips to not work. The work around for this is to roll back the Prolific driver to 3.2.0.0. The cables then work just fine. You can find the 3.2.0.0. driver at , along with a large amount of other very useful information.?

Jardy Dawson WA7JRD

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On Nov 4, 2021, at 15:26, vhsproducts via <vhsproducts=[email protected]> wrote:

?
Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

Agreed!!
HOWEVER, the question becomes whether Windows 11 will allow the install of the older drivers.

Rob KB8RCO


On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 18:37, JARDY DAWSON via groups.io
<JARDY72@...> wrote:
When Windows 10 came out, there were problems with ¡®Prolific¡¯ chip cables. These chips were fake Prolific chips from China. Windows always wants to use the latest and greatest drivers. For the fake chips, these drivers caused those chips to not work. The work around for this is to roll back the Prolific driver to 3.2.0.0. The cables then work just fine. You can find the 3.2.0.0. driver at www.miklor.com, along with a large amount of other very useful information.?

Jardy Dawson WA7JRD

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On Nov 4, 2021, at 15:26, vhsproducts via groups.io <vhsproducts@...> wrote:

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Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Re: Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

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When Windows 10 came out, there were problems with ¡®Prolific¡¯ chip cables. These chips were fake Prolific chips from China. Windows always wants to use the latest and greatest drivers. For the fake chips, these drivers caused those chips to not work. The work around for this is to roll back the Prolific driver to 3.2.0.0. The cables then work just fine. You can find the 3.2.0.0. driver at www.miklor.com, along with a large amount of other very useful information.?

Jardy Dawson WA7JRD

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On Nov 4, 2021, at 15:26, vhsproducts via groups.io <vhsproducts@...> wrote:

?
Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


Windows 11 and cable compatibility

 

Gentlemen,

Is anyone out there using a PC with Windows 11 to program their TT3/TT4 devices? If so, have you used any of the Byonics USB programming cables and Prolifics drivers? I have had a report of incompatibility with the cables and WIN 11. Not wanting to possibly ruin my life, or at least a computer, by loading an OS that is probably as buggy as a Louisiana swamp, I thought it best to seek the wisdom of the crowd!

73,

Allen AF6OF


TT4 digi

 

Hi all. I have several TT4s set up as Wide 1 Wide 2 digis on hilltops. The problem I am having is I often need to repower the TT4 to get it to come back to life after a lockup. Usually it will go for months before I need to do this and I have built in a way of reseting the TT4 remotely. But the latest I have installed - ZL2AJ-2 seems to lock up after a couple of days.?

Has anyone else experienced this and found a fix?

Thanks :)
ZL2AJ


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On 10/20/21 8:42 AM, Barry L. Lankford wrote:
Excellent article.? Read it all and was informed AND entertained.? I've bookmarked it.? Unfortunately, the Niall Murphy article referenced at the end of the article pulls up a cryptic error.? Hopefully I'll remember to look into that later.


One of the handier add ons to Firefox fires up the archive when this sort of thing happens.

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Try instead.? I think it is the same article.

On 20/10/2021 14:42, Barry L. Lankford wrote:
Unfortunately, the Niall Murphy article referenced at the end of the article pulls up a cryptic error.
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On 10/18/2021 5:38 PM, David Schultz, KC5WSV wrote:
On 10/18/21 7:31 AM, vhsproducts via groups.io wrote:
The problem with having a TT4-based watchdog timer is that the ATMEGA chip seems to be the thing that hangs, so depending on the code to run in the chip that is locked up is a no-go.
The ATMEGA has a watchdog timer built in. Which should be just fine for detecting hung code. Not the greatest which reminds me of a web page I ran across years ago:

Excellent article. Read it all and was informed AND entertained. I've bookmarked it. Unfortunately, the Niall Murphy article referenced at the end of the article pulls up a cryptic error. Hopefully I'll remember to look into that later.

My earlier post dismissed the notion of using the TT4 based watchdog since the source code is unavailable, but a dead-bugged single-chip watchdog IC might still be possible if a suitable, already-existing WDT "kicker" signal can be located on the TT4. Maybe Byon will give us a clue. I would think just a simple, no-frills WDT should be sufficient for almost all remote TT4 applications.

The failed product I took over was not a critical thing since the product I delivered was just a one-off prototype to demonstrate a concept. We built two demo units, one to develop the firmware on and the second to deliver a pristine copy to the customer. The undelivered unit MAY be in my messy garage. If the demo generated a follow-on contract to produce some quantity of products based on the prototype, then it would be a whole different ballgame, as the concept was developed to hopefully save lives in an industrial situation. My involvement in this product was temporary, just to fill in and clean up someone else's mess, so I never heard how the project continued (or even if it did continue).

Barry


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Thanks everyone!

I am eager to remove the MAX232 just for the few mA of quiescent current back into the power budget as these are both solar sites. I am planning to install a relay that I will trip via DTMF from our Arcom controller at the site. It has an active-low output option so a 3906, a decent snubber diode, and a 1k resistor should be enough to trigger a NC side of a relay to open long enough to reset the power to the unit.

Cheers,

Bob Holowenko
B.Tech & ASC (Computer Forensics), Dipl Technical Studies, CCNA CCNP ASC?
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Quesnel Emergency Radio Communications, DERC - VE7WNK
cell: 250-255-6439
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On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 9:16 PM Cliff Sojourner <cls@...> wrote:

good thinking.? pretty much exactly what Jack Ganssel said in the OP link

I hope everyone will read this and take a few lessons.? Jack is absolutely the premiere of embedded system programming, he has a lot of great stories.

(every bug I make, has been made before, somewhere...)

Clifff K6CLS CM87

On 2021-10-18 16:02, vhsproducts via wrote:

The ATMEGA has a watchdog timer built in. Which should be just fine for
detecting hung code.
One would think so, wouldn't one? Byon could doubtless address that better, but the illusive hanging condition does not seem to fit into definition of hanging code as we seem to view it. This is kind of a Loch Ness monster kind of thing, a rare problem, and once we come running to see it, it ducks its little head back under the water! If we could see it happen, we would be a lot better off.

One other way we have dealt with this is to use one of our DTMF receiver/decoders to force a commanded reset:?? As my mentor taught me many years ago, "there is no problem that can't be solved with brute force and ignorance!" I have plenty of both.?

73,

Allen


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From: David Schultz, KC5WSV <david.schultz@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Oct 18, 2021 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [TinyTrak] MT4BB Halting

On 10/18/21 7:31 AM, vhsproducts via wrote:
> The problem with having a TT4-based watchdog timer is that the ATMEGA
> chip seems to be the thing that hangs, so depending on the code to run
> in the chip that is locked up is a no-go.

The ATMEGA has a watchdog timer built in. Which should be just fine for
detecting hung code. Not the greatest which reminds me of a web page I
ran across years ago:




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David Schultz